[Archived] Nicko's Thread

[Hypo-Luxa]

More times than not, I disagree with thenodrog, and most times vociferously. However, this comment has some truth to it. Pedersen shouldn't be thought of as the de facto Left Winger because one of two things can happen 1) he can be poached or he can leave for his 'boyhood club' 2) start underperforming like he's done in the past.

I don't think we should be replacing him as gordo's proposing, but I do think a suitable replacement should be groomed. Whether it be Peter or that Djeziri lad (he's gone now?) they need a few run outs so they stay sharp.

I don't think anyone other than Brad, Bentley and Nelsen are untouchable. Every squad member should be looked upon as fighting for a spot on the team.

Also, I'm not sure if he stumbled upon this point or whether it was a cogent thought churned out amongst the cobwebs, but the theory of buying low-selling high could come into play soon enough. Pedersen is still young, but a few years from now, would we rather sell high and bring in the LW of the future (whether it be Peter or one of the Academy lads) or keep a hold of him too long and let his value and ability fade because we wanted to squeeze one last season out of him?

Saying that, I hope Pedersen stays for awhile and puts in consistent performances we all know he is capable of.

[S15]

I have absolutely no confidence in MGP putting in consistant performances.

He hasn't since he's arrived, but people manage to use any small blinkered vision/fact to think otherwise.

[Jan]

I have absolutely no confidence in MGP putting in consistant performances.

He hasn't since he's arrived, but people manage to use any small blinkered vision/fact to think otherwise.

I don't think we should give Pedersen any holidays next year. He was almost adequate for the second half of the season after being downright useless for the first, and this season is mirroring last at the moment.

[LeChuck]

and this season is mirroring last at the moment.

Would that be all two games of it, Jan?

[Jan]

Would that be all two games of it, Jan?

And pre-season.

[nicko]

any more transfers that could be happening, with rovers or any other club???

Strange but true department.

Sunderland came in for Kenwyne Jones today and will beat Derby to the signing.

Two clubs willing to pay £5 million for a striker who has only recently converted from being a centre half.

This has been truly the nuttiest summer ever for transfers.

And it may not be over yet...

[Rover down South]

Hard to believe anyone would pay £5m for him, transfer fee's are ridiculous now, who ends up paying though? The supporters do via ticket prices & mercandise.

On MGP, can everyone lay off him a bit, he is quality & before we go selling off one of our best players, we have centre midfield & right back that need priority attention.

Are there any decent right backs or decent centre mids out there Nicko that are likely to be loaned out or available for sensible fee's?

I know Chelsea are after Alves so does that mean Glen Johnsen will be shipped out again?

[tcj_jones]

I can't say I have seen much of Glen Johnson at all, but he was highly rated before leaving West Ham and I think he played well at Pompey whilst on loan. He could be worth a shout, although I reckon Mourinho would rather get rid of Ferreira who he seems to have lost patience with.

[daren]

We need to be finding a replacement for Pederson now. Whether Peter is ready or is ever going to be ready I don't know, but Peds given a few years of decent to good service and the time will soon be ripe to move him on. Also it puts pressure on him to play better, and increases his value before we sell him. Simple.

I absolutely agree. Except in the first sentence "replacement" should be "equivalent player". Morten needs competition, I think. He's a good player, but sometimes goes missing and really, really needs to buck up. He has given good to fantastic service to the Rovers, and we all appreciate him, especially as there were times when he could have gone in the past. I'd absolutely hate to lose him now. But players don't stay in one place forever and even if he does decide to see out his career here there's no harm in having him work for his place in the side and to have someone available if he gets injured long term. We saw with Ooijer last season that it can and does happen.

As a further note on this, it must be time to make a decision on Peter, surely? If he's not the long term replacement then he should be let go, and if he is, he needs to see more game time in the first team.

[Maverick]

Just a small question in regards to the MGP saga.

Since MGP has played UEFA qualification games for us, doesn't that mean he would unalienable for CL games for Arsenal?

If that is the case, I can not see that Arsenal would buy MGP at this time.

[thenodrog]

your posts are becoming idiotic nowadays

Is that an avotar or a piccy of yourself? Whats up didums? You got a teenage crush on MGP or what thats stopping you brain from working? Anyway it now appears that you are outnumbered here so who's the idiot?

It's obvious that MGP and his agent are playing games with BRFC to get more money whilst he is halfway through the mild constraints of what to most people would be an absolutely fabulous contract. A contract that he was clearly quite happy to sign at the time. Nothing wrong with that nowadays apparently. But as a club we do not want to be p1ssed around with and we do not want to give in to cheap blackmail or else every other player and his agent will be lining up a pretend move whilst they queue up outside JW's office for more filthy lucre. I don't really want MGP to go, he is not at the level of Duff by a mile but he is a decent player and a good asset to the team..... but rem he started all this not us. Once a player starts all this shennanigins they invariably become worse performers on the pitch. Derek Dougan taught us that lesson almost 50 years ago for God's sake and many have reminded us of the same since.

Damien Duff left amid much angst and despair but despite all that BRFC are still doing quite nicely aren't they?.... and with 17m worth of dodgy roubles in the bank! Duff's career is prematurely over, nobody wants him and all he has left to do is sit around counting his considerable fortune. No problems cos it's not our money that he's counting! (btw I wonder how much Duff has cost per match since in transfer fees and wages? I'd wager it would break the bank at Monte Carlo! Viewed in circumspect we had a bloody lucky escape when he ran down those plane steps to join Chelsea!) Anyway this stuff happens all the time, and it's what makes the footballing world go round. In half a dozen years time few at BRFC or Arsenal or wherever will even remember MGP, we'll all have moved on.

btw....... Have you ever heard of the game of 'hardball' laddie?

[mike at picture]

Is that an avotar or a piccy of yourself? Whats up didums? You got a teenage crush on MGP or what thats stopping you brain from working? Anyway it now appears that you are outnumbered here so who's the idiot?

It's obvious that MGP and his agent are playing games with BRFC to get more money whilst he is halfway through the mild constraints of what to most people would be an absolutely fabulous contract. A contract that he was clearly quite happy to sign at the time. Nothing wrong with that nowadays apparently. But as a club we do not want to be p1ssed around with and we do not want to give in to cheap blackmail or else every other player and his agent will be lining up a pretend move whilst they queue up outside JW's office for more filthy lucre. I don't really want MGP to go, he is not at the level of Duff by a mile but he is a decent player and a good asset to the team..... but rem he started all this not us. Once a player starts all this shennanigins they invariably become worse performers on the pitch. Derek Dougan taught us that lesson almost 50 years ago for God's sake and many have reminded us of the same since.

Damien Duff left amid much angst and despair but despite all that BRFC are still doing quite nicely aren't they?.... And with 17m worth of dodgy roubles in the bank, Duff's career is prematurely over, nobody wants him and all he has left to do is sit around counting his considerable fortune. No problems cos it's not our money that he's counting! It happens all the time, and it's what makes the footballing world go round. In half a dozen years time few at BRFC or Arsenal or wherever will even remember MGP, we'll all have moved on.

btw....... Have you ever heard of the game of 'hardball' laddie?

I dont suppose you could be accused of being boring as your bile often provokes responses.

[MarkBRFC]

I wonder if Keith Treacey will feature at all this season, he's meant to be a very bright prospect who plays on the left wing. Could be the eventual replacement for Peds.

Not that i want Pederson to go anywhere just yet though, to sell him now would be a big step backwards after the good work we have done this summer.

[thenodrog]

I dont suppose you could be accused of being boring as your bile often provokes responses.

Why?

Would you care to contribute something more meaningful in response to my post before you receive a short ban Mike? Oh and hurry up.

[mike at picture]

Why?

Would you care to contribute something more meaningful before you receive a short ban Mike? Oh and hurry up.

Maybe I will when you stop addressing fellow posters with names like "Laddie".

[ace]

...And now for something completely different...!

As this is the "ask Nicko" thred , could I ask Nicko whether the US stock Market "correction" and Hedge Funds' collapse has affected the Williams consortium take over bid?

[thenodrog]

...And now for something completely different...!

As this is the "ask Nicko" thred , could I ask Nicko whether the US stock Market "correction" and Hedge Funds' collapse has affected the Williams consortium take over bid?

He's not Declan Curry you know.

btw I bet philipl will be along to give an opinion on that once he's had a little time to compose himself.

[Flopsy]

I think everyone needs to take a breath and wind their necks in. Lets just wait and see shall we? There's nothing we can do to alter what will be, unless we descend into a diatribe against the player who then sees it or it gets reported to him and then decides that sod the lot of us, he's off becuase no one appreciates him. (If only it had worked for Emerton).

If MGP wants to go MGP wants to go. If its just agent speak trying to get a better 5% then well pffft. MGP's tied into a contract for at least three or four years. Therefore we'll get a fair wedge for him if he decides to go.

Theno - I think Phil knows a hell of a lot more about the money markets and financial stuff than the majority of us dont you?

Me I'm quite happy with the slide, our companies offering a share option next month of 20% less than the current share price. Kerching!!!

[thenodrog]

Theno - I think Phil knows a hell of a lot more about the money markets and financial stuff than the majority of us dont you?

I think that was my point Flopsy. Try reading it again.

........ mind you I really would take my hat off to him if he'd sold up last week!

Oh and have you 'had a word' with the lad from sunny ozzie? I know Pauls stepped down but for the sake of consistency we really shouldn't be hearing any more from map until after the Arsenal match. Should we?

[mike at picture]

I think that was my point Flopsy. Try reading it again.

........ mind you I really would take my hat off to him if he'd sold up last week!

Oh and have you 'had a word' with the lad from sunny ozzie? I know Pauls stepped down but for the sake of consistency we really shouldn't be hearing any more from map until after the Arsenal match. Should we?

Oh dear

[thenodrog]

Now call me old fashioned but that appears to be neither a retraction nor an apology.

[mike at picture]

Now call me old fashioned but that appears to be neither a retraction nor an apology.

No, no apology and I dont see why that should be a massive issue for you as this is just a football messageboard on which you give as good as you get.

My last word on the subject as this is "Nicko's thread" not mine or yours.

[nicko]

...And now for something completely different...!

As this is the "ask Nicko" thread , could I ask Nicko whether the US stock Market "correction" and Hedge Funds' collapse has affected the Williams consortium take over bid?

That is a very good, fair, intelligent and sensible question.

I know I said I was staying away from the subject, but...

I don't think it is a factor. There are several other things that are, but I have to be obscure on that just now. From what I understand Dan Williams's kitty is not hedge fund cash, but as I have not counted the cash myself I cannot be sure.

Trust me I wish there was a total conclusion to this by now. For all concerned.

Let's just leave it at that.

[youandwhosearmy]

Is that an avotar or a piccy of yourself? Whats up didums? You got a teenage crush on MGP or what thats stopping you brain from working? Anyway it now appears that you are outnumbered here so who's the idiot?

It's obvious that MGP and his agent are playing games with BRFC to get more money whilst he is halfway through the mild constraints of what to most people would be an absolutely fabulous contract. A contract that he was clearly quite happy to sign at the time. Nothing wrong with that nowadays apparently. But as a club we do not want to be p1ssed around with and we do not want to give in to cheap blackmail or else every other player and his agent will be lining up a pretend move whilst they queue up outside JW's office for more filthy lucre. I don't really want MGP to go, he is not at the level of Duff by a mile but he is a decent player and a good asset to the team..... but rem he started all this not us. Once a player starts all this shennanigins they invariably become worse performers on the pitch. Derek Dougan taught us that lesson almost 50 years ago for God's sake and many have reminded us of the same since.

Damien Duff left amid much angst and despair but despite all that BRFC are still doing quite nicely aren't they?.... and with 17m worth of dodgy roubles in the bank! Duff's career is prematurely over, nobody wants him and all he has left to do is sit around counting his considerable fortune. No problems cos it's not our money that he's counting! (btw I wonder how much Duff has cost per match since in transfer fees and wages? I'd wager it would break the bank at Monte Carlo! Viewed in circumspect we had a bloody lucky escape when he ran down those plane steps to join Chelsea!) Anyway this stuff happens all the time, and it's what makes the footballing world go round. In half a dozen years time few at BRFC or Arsenal or wherever will even remember MGP, we'll all have moved on.

btw....... Have you ever heard of the game of 'hardball' laddie?

hmm insulting me by having a go at my avatar? and assuming im some young boy, nice. I wouldnt expect anything else from you.

Yes, Pederson has not been 100%, but most are only having a go at him because we know he can do so much better. We are really spoilt at the club to have such good players that i often think we take certain things for granted. If we sold Pederson we would be a worse team for it, thats the bottom line. Hughes obviously believes this or Pederson would be long gone by now. I cannot for the life of me think who we could replace him with, who could be such an attacking force, whilst at the same time chipping in with so many winning headers and tackles. Surely the fact that Wenger wants him makes you think "hmm he must be pretty good if he wants him".

Pederson has never openly stated he wants to leave, in fact he has said he is more than happy here on a number of occasions. Its obviously just a way for his agent to try and get more money in the interest of his client. Nothing unusual there.

Talking about Duff also is one instance where a player has left that has no had the adverse effect on us we believed it could have. But if you apply that with Pederson, then surely your applying it to all rovers players, because Duff was then our best player. When we sold Shearer i would not have thought we were better off...its never certain what will happen when key players leave.

I really dont know why im rising to your baiting because this is all you do nowadays on this forum, offer little contribution, make bold contiversial points mixed with your pessimism, oh and i almost forgot, insulting people.

[rover_groo]

On the Mido fee. Mido said he only wanted to go to Boro, so they eventually reached a compromised of £6.8 million which includes all add-ons.

Now Mido's agent wants a staggering fee, around £1 million, so there is yet another hold-up.

After watching Boro last night they will need more than Mido. How they can spend that on him when they need defenders is beyond me. Still, I tipped them for the drop so I should be happy.

Waste or f@!$1ng space.

I detest that man so much and how his agent can get £1million for a lazy egyptian who would be more use standing still in the pyramid's.

I wonder if Keith Treacey will feature at all this season, he's meant to be a very bright prospect who plays on the left wing. Could be the eventual replacement for Peds.

I think that Treacy will get his chance this season.

Hughes has always been a big fan of all cup competitions and usually fieldsa fairly strong team since the first scare when he joined Rovers. If we face lesser opponents in the League Cup, he might use MGP if he's lacking in confidence and needs a wee pick-me up. However, if Pedersen is in fine form, then I think we'll see Treacy get his chance then.