[Archived] Nicko's Thread

[bellamy11]

I'm not exactly a betting genius but saw this and thought... free cash! Now I'm really confused. About to bet on Stevenage to beat Burton. For some reason I can turn the odds up. Why? What effect will this have?

You're setting the price that you're willing to bet. On Betfair you don't play fixed odds against a betting company - you bet against other gamblers. If Stevenage are say, around 2/1 to win today, and somebody thinks they'll lose then they can 'lay' the match at 3/1 i.e. you take the bet with them, they win your money if Stevenage don't win, but they have to pay out if they do win.

So theoretically you can ask for 100/1 on Stevenage to win but you won't get it unless somebody lays that price. If nobody lays a match at the odds you want then there is no bet.

[dcbrfc]

You're setting the price that you're willing to bet. On Betfair you don't play fixed odds against a betting company - you bet against other gamblers. If Stevenage are say, around 2/1 to win today, and somebody thinks they'll lose then they can 'lay' the match at 3/1 i.e. you take the bet with them, they win your money if Stevenage don't win, but they have to pay out if they do win.

So theoretically you can ask for 100/1 on Stevenage to win but you won't get it unless somebody lays that price. If nobody lays a match at the odds you want then there is no bet.

Thanks mate. I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to betting. Went into the bookies for the first time ever last weekend.

"Hiya luv, can I have one of them accumalator sheet thingys?"

[dcbrfc]

Hmm, well I stuck £25 on and ain't got it back... Come on Stevenage!!!!

[stuwilky]

Hmm, well I stuck £25 on and ain't got it back... Come on Stevenage!!!!

The £25 cashback is paid into the account within 24 hours of the bet you placed being settled.

Ive got a big long list of free bets and trh required deposits.

[bellamy11]

Ive got a big long list of free bets and trh required deposits.

He isn't joking, dcbrfc. Stu is the man to go to for all scams...ahem...cool deals.

[dcbrfc]

He isn't joking, dcbrfc. Stu is the man to go to for all scams...ahem...cool deals.

Haha! Ok.

[The1mattjansen]

The £25 cashback is paid into the account within 24 hours of the bet you placed being settled.

Ive got a big long list of free bets and trh required deposits.

Stu, is there any chance of u PM'ing that over?

I use to have a similiar list but having been back for a while...an easy way to clean up a couple of hundered quid over the weekend.

[RevidgeBlue]

gary Megson, Graeme Souness and John Collins on shortlist for the job...

Don't know enough about Collins to comment on him but the other two smack of absolute desperation.

Man the lifeboats!!

[RevidgeBlue]

It's a strange one, I know who is putting it together and where the money is coming from.

However I believe they have also been in talks with another club.

There are so many takeover bidders around just now it is hard to believe.

nicko, in your view would the mystery bidder(s) have more or less financial clout than Dan Williams and his supposed consortium?

[they_think_its_all_rover]

PS - The Hull striker signing is Frazier Campbell at Man U. Drogba said no...

I heard its because he was frightened about having to have drinking competitions with Dean Windass after training and didnt want to be over-shadowed by Jay-Jay Okocha's tricks...

What nationality is the maybe/odd rival bidder?

[Fife Rover]

Don't know enough about Collins to comment on him but the other two smack of absolute desperation.

Man the lifeboats!!

Collins has shown himself to be a pretty fair tactician, and a shrewd manager in the wheel and deal dept. He does have a bit of a reputation as a poor man-manager though, but that may just be player talk. He has cleared a few out from Hibs, and has got them playing better than they have ever done since I have been in Scotland, and that is 29 years.

I can't see him wanting the Bolton job. Hibs are a much bigger club than Bolton, and Collins has got them pushing for the top in the SPL. He is a also a die-hard Scot so why would he want to move back to England for a thankless job like trying to keep the Winkers in the EPL?

[thenodrog]

Steve Bruce is using this for all its worth. There has been no real approach, just a conversation between Gartside and Brady.

Bruce is presumably playing bluff and double bluff in this instance cos the writing is on the wall for him when the likely new owner finalises the deal.

[Dunnfc]

Nicko - Has kia Joabarchian got anything to do with the takeover or is he intrested in another club.

[nicko]

nicko, in your view would the mystery bidder(s) have more or less financial clout than Dan Williams and his supposed consortium?

I believe they have money, but we have heard that before.

As for Dan Williams, the consortium may be the problem - but not the money. Explain that one later.

[philipl]

Whenever I read the name Dan Williams I am reminded of the Monty Python Dead Parrot Sketch

It is a dead bid, it is an ex-bid, it is deceased etc etc etc.

This seems to be obvious to everyone except Nicko who has studiously and repeatedly avoided the crunch question. How does it stack up against the the terms which the trustees are obligated to abide by?

It doesn't and therefore it is dead.

[EwoodGlory]

Could there be anything in the mirror tomorrow, or people sunday?

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Nicko - Has kia Joabarchian got anything to do with the takeover or is he intrested in another club.

Please god no.

[Dunnfc]

Please god no.

Why whats wrong with him?

Tevez and Mascharano wernt his fault he just owned them.

Hes well minted and owns alload of players which we could rightly have.

[EwoodGlory]

Kia got a lot of bad press because of the Mascherano and Tevez, I think a lot to do with it was that West Ham were just a shambles. I don't think he deserved it.

He seemed to come across well in the interviews that I have seen him.

[nicko]

Whenever I read the name Dan Williams I am reminded of the Monty Python Dead Parrot Sketch

It is a dead bid, it is an ex-bid, it is deceased etc etc etc.

This seems to be obvious to everyone except Nicko who has studiously and repeatedly avoided the crunch question. How does it stack up against the the terms which the trustees are obligated to abide by?

It doesn't and therefore it is dead.

Like every other club on the planet it is for sale but it takes money - and enough to persuade the trustees to sell.

Money, not 'obligations.' I think - thanks to the past few months - we now know the 'terms.' It would cost around £45 million and with gurantees for spends to make everyone happy.

This myth that somehow Rovers have some magic ring around them that stops people bidding is tosh. The club were delighted when they thought they had a buyer. That is why the story leaked out to me. I heard them celebrating from a few miles off. Don't kid yourself otherwise.

And the fact remains that John Williams and Mark Hughes say they need investment. Why say that if no-one is allowed to take over?

[Dunnfc]

The only ugly thing he was blamed for was Corinthians were he was envolved in a company called MSI - media sports investment anyways Msi bought Tevez,Mashcrano,Roger,Nilmar,Dominguez and parked them at Corinthians until they moved on to better clubs then MSI left Corinthians in the sh!t.

[nicko]

The only ugly thing he was blamed for was Corinthians were he was envolved in a company called MSI - media sports investment anyways Msi bought Tevez,Mashcrano,Roger,Nilmar,Dominguez and parked them at Corinthians until they moved on to better clubs then MSI left Corinthians in the sh!t.

Forget Kia - he's not the one I am talking about.

[philipl]

Like every other club on the planet it is for sale but it takes money - and enough to persuade the trustees to sell.

Money, not 'obligations.' I think - thanks to the past few months - we now know the 'terms.' It would cost around £45 million and with gurantees for spends to make everyone happy.

This myth that somehow Rovers have some magic ring around them that stops people bidding is tosh. The club were delighted when they thought they had a buyer. That is why the story leaked out to me. I heard them celebrating from a few miles off. Don't kid yourself otherwise.

And the fact remains that John Williams and Mark Hughes say they need investment. Why say that if no-one is allowed to take over?

There is still a fundamental misunderstanding on your part on the nature of the Trust and the legally-binding obligations of the Trustees.

You and I have also heard very different noises.

Yes there appears to be a window in which there might be people out there willing to give Rovers a perpetual annuity of over £7m but that is only the first of the hurdles a buyer would have to overcome. Roughly speaking that requires an injection of £70m which could never be removed from Blackburn Rovers at which point parity with the Trust's obligations is achieved.

Then the bidders can start showing how they would do much better than the Trustees which probably sets the cash requirement for the acquiring entity at more than £100m, perhaps a lot more than £100m. Everything I've read indicates that Dan Williams has never got remotely close to that much cash let alone structured it in a way that would make him a serious contender.

Of course more investment now would be fantastic.

But it has to be delivered in a way that the Trustees can be seen in law unambiguously to be complying with the Trust document. I am guessing now, but any Trustee responsible for assets of the size, scope and complexity within the Walker Trust would undoubtedly seek the highest level independent legal opinion to ensure they would be acting in accordance with the letter and intent of the trust document before embarking on divesting themselves of Blackburn Rovers FC.

Until those boxes are ticked there is no discussion to be had with regards to valuation of the title to the Walker Trust shares.

[nicko]

I can't accept those figures are relevant or binding.

Rothshchilds have been looking for bidders - and that level of bidding has never been mentioned to the best of my knowledge.

Dan Williams and his backers have never suggested they had that level of cash. No-one who has flirted with the club in the past either has those levels of funding.

If the total bill was as high Williams and his pals would have done a runner a long time ago and not be hanging around.

There are two areas that really matter. The size of the share offer and the guarantees of cash to spend on players.

The Trustees would love to sell, don't pretend otherwise.

They want a fair price and assurances that the new owners have the right intentions.

Anything else is baloney.

[EwoodGlory]

If I stand outside Ewood and do this will I find him and tell him to hurry up?