[Archived] Nicko's Thread

[yoda]

I really don't see what other people see in him. At times he plays awful football at Villa, his signings haven't been that great and he hasn't really turned Villa into a top club despite the amount of signings and money he's spent. They are still a team I try and avoid watching if I can help it. At Celtic he won a lower standard league and struggled in the Champions League and at Leicester he did very well but that alone isn't good enough to become a top international manager. I don't think he has the right attributes that I'd want to manage our country. I want someone who knows about the English national team, someone who has the experience of knowing what it's like to represent England and the pressures that come with it.

Who better than a man who has captained England.

Who better than a man who has led the line for England in so many important matches

Who better than a man who has been a match winner on so many occasions.

Who better than a man who has the respect of the English public

Who better than a man who wears his heart on his sleeve

Who better than a man we can ALL rely on and never lets us down.

Who better than this man:

He did a crap job when he was picking the Rovers team and he did a crap job when he was picking the Newcastle and England teams, why do you think he could do a good job when his name is in the frame and he is responsible for what he does?

[LeChuck]

He did a crap job when he was picking the Rovers team and he did a crap job when he was picking the Newcastle and England teams, why do you think he could do a good job when his name is in the frame and he is responsible for what he does?

What a daft post.

[Pinch]

What a daft post.

Seriously though, Shearer? I know everyone imagines him leading out the Magpies one day, but England? Sure, he could team up with Alan Hansen and Gary Lineker ...they do seem to know almost everything about football.

[bluebruce]

Johnson from Pompy? Vaughn/Osman from Everton - I would have Agbonlahor in ahead of Owen too.

Glad you're not managing England then. Sorry but Owen is our best striker. When he plays, of course. When he's even a little bit fit. Shame he's made of glass or this England team would be much more fearsome.

[yoda]

What a daft post.

You think so, ask Ray Harford if he agrees with you, ask Ruid Gullit to!

[Hannah]

You think so, ask Ray Harford if he agrees with you,

That might be a little challenging!

[EwoodGlory]

[LeChuck]

Seriously though, Shearer? I know everyone imagines him leading out the Magpies one day, but England? Sure, he could team up with Alan Hansen and Gary Lineker ...they do seem to know almost everything about football.

Why not Shearer? As has been mentioned quite a few times, Klinsmann, Van Basten, Dunga and our very own Hughes, to name but a few, went into international management with no prior experience and have done well. I know Shearer is taking his UEFA Pro coaching license, although I don't know how far he's progressed. However, we do have over a year now before we'll play a 'meaningful' game, more than enough time for him to find his feet as a manager.

You think so, ask Ray Harford if he agrees with you, ask Ruid Gullit to!

Not really what I was eluding to, but it's strange how most managers didn't criticise Shearer, whereas two who performed awfully whilst in charge had something to complain about.

My point was more that it is terrible reasoning to assume he'd make a poor manager because ourselves and Newcastle were poor at times when it was blatantly the fault of the manager.

[LDRover]

I hope Venables keeps his place in the set-up with whoever comes in, I think it's obvious that he had no real part in McClaren's disaster. He was nowhere to be seen on the bench with McClaren last night, instead probably choosing to distance himself from the train wreck ahead. From everything I've ever read in his newspaper columns too, none of the tactics or selections sound like they came from him.

With respect, that's nonsense.

Venables was shouting it from the rooftops when we beat Estonia, Israel and Russia 3-0, yet he started to distance himself from McLaren when it started going tits up.

Your opinion of him is one example of his ability to use the media to massage the nation's affection towards him. Look through the propaganda, what exactly has he achieved? Don't forget his international record for England only consisted of 5 meaningful games at Wembley of which we won 2 in regulation time and a load of dreary 0-0 friendlies against mediocre opposition. This was followed by his tenure as Australia boss where they contrived to fail to qualify for the World Cup after defeat by Iran.

I wouldn't have the guy anywhere near the England set up. It needs a bloody big broom.

[philipl]

Venables got fired as well.

[nicko]

Can someone tell those Bolton chaps that this has been confirmed...

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...2899447,00.html

[rovers_rob]

Can someone tell those Bolton chaps that this has been confirmed...

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...2899447,00.html

Do you think there will be any Rovers players leaving in Jan ? There is always speculation about Roberts leaving, I hope he doesn't but I have a feeling he may want a fresh start after all his injuries.

[Wolverine]

Oh, what a shame for them. It had to be expected though - could you see him lining up for Bolton when they play Burnley next year?

[nicko]

Oh, what a shame for them. It had to be expected though - could you see him lining up for Bolton when they play Burnley next year?

I think he will be gone - by the time they swap divisions.

[nicko]

Do you think there will be any Rovers players leaving in Jan ? There is always speculation about Roberts leaving, I hope he doesn't but I have a feeling he may want a fresh start after all his injuries.

I don't think Mark Hughes will want anyone to leave but the two 'at risk' players would be Jason Roberts and Andre Ooijer.

Roberts can't be happy with the small amount of time he has played. Ok, he has been injured, but he is probably fourth in the pecking order. But I only think he will be sold if another striker was bought.

Ooijer is interesting. He is versatile and you would want to keep him, but if he needs guaranteed football to make the Holland Euro 2008 team it may become an issue.

With McCarthy and Mokoena away in parts of January and February then there is no point in weakening the squad further.

I just hope they bring a couple in to beef it up. I can't remember the last time Rovers went into a New Year in a top-four challenging position...

[they_think_its_all_rover]

Baines can't get in the Everton team. Jagielka? Vaughan maybe in a few years.

I have seen the youth teams of the big four and most of them are full of foreign youngsters.

Man U have a kid called Wellbeck, a striker. Arsenal have one or two, like Henri Lansbury but will they ever get a game. Liverpool won the youth cup last season with a side with plenty of foreigners and a couple of English kids who will make a living in League One.

Take a look at the Rovers academy sides and see how many foreigners are there too? And I'm not being anti-foreign, just stating a fact.

Been impressed with Frazier Campbell on loan... just one thing he needs to do though first.... bulk up a bit!

is that a problem with our youth? ...not eating the right foods? ...I mean, Rooney fit right onto the scene when he came through, but was/is a big guy... where-as players like Matty-D have got the skill too, but are a bit skinny.

[USABlue]

Why USA? It's a very good suggestion.

Why, he has not yet managed a single game of Football yet people are calling for him to take possibly the hardest job in World Football. It's silly really and reeks of romanticism. As for Klinsman, sometimes you get lucky, Klinsman strikes me as a man with a lot more intelligence than our Mr Shearer anyway.

Wasn't one of the knocks on Pearce getting the job that he had no experience, cos if it's a man with real pride and passion for his nation you are looking for then look no further than Psycho.

I can see Shearer in the set up somewhere but not as number 1

The FA can not afford any experiments this time, they simply have to get the right man.

[nicko]

Why, he has not yet managed a single game of Football yet people are calling for him to take possibly the hardest job in World Football. It's silly really and reeks of romanticism. As for Klinsman, sometimes you get lucky, Klinsman strikes me as a man with a lot more intelligence than our Mr Shearer anyway.

Wasn't one of the knocks on Pearce getting the job that he had no experience, cos if it's a man with real pride and passion for his nation you are looking for then look no further than Psycho.

I can see Shearer in the set up somewhere but not as number 1

The FA can not afford any experiments this time, they simply have to get the right man.

If you have the knowledge and feel then you do not need the experience.

Kenny Dalglish had never managed before until Liverpool gave him the chance. I think he won the double first time out.

Shearer could do the England job, but he would need the right backroom staff. That's where you could put a foreign coach if you want. But the figurehead should be English and someone people can look up to and respect.

[USABlue]

If you have the knowledge and feel then you do not need the experience.

Kenny Dalglish had never managed before until Liverpool gave him the chance. I think he won the double first time out.

Shearer could do the England job, but he would need the right backroom staff. That's where you could put a foreign coach if you want. But the figurehead should be English and someone people can look up to and respect.

This is all well and good, we remember a few successes of people who have had success first time around. Surely the game is littered with many more failures top players who did not make it. Would Paul Merson be one, would Tony Adams be another, what about Bryan Robson, hardly a glittering list of winning things. Trevor Francis never set the world alight. I'm sure there are many many more failures or poor performances at management by top players than there are warm and fuzzy success stories. Shearer just comes across, to me, well he comes across as a bit of a dumbass.

Sure Shearer could do the England job, McClaren did the England job it's how it is done that is important. What does a clarrot Jock care anyway?

[nicko]

What does a clarrot Jock care anyway?

I never mentioned the word 'care' anywhere...

[USABlue]

I never mentioned the word 'care' anywhere...

True, you didn't.

[T4E]

Seriously though, Shearer? I know everyone imagines him leading out the Magpies one day, but England? Sure, he could team up with Alan Hansen and Gary Lineker ...they do seem to know almost everything about football.

Shearer would be Keegan mk2. Plenty of passion, very little going on upstairs. It would be yet another disaster for England.

I for one hope he gets it.

[nicko]

Shearer would be Keegan mk2. Plenty of passion, very little going on upstairs. It would be yet another disaster for England.

I for one hope he gets it.

Shearer is far more sensible and down to earth than Keegan ever was. He is no romantic.

He is also from the same generation as the current players and knows what makes them tick. The guy is shrewd.

You do not have to be a rocket scientist to lead international footballers. Just pick a team with a shape and tactics they can understand and get them fired up.

I think he would be outstanding.

[Flopsy]

Shearer is far more sensible and down to earth than Keegan ever was. He is no romantic.

He is also from the same generation as the current players and knows what makes them tick. The guy is shrewd.

You do not have to be a rocket scientist to lead international footballers. Just pick a team with a shape and tactics they can understand and get them fired up.

I think he would be outstanding.

I'm going to ensure tht this post is saved for blackmail purposes if Shearer gets the job.

If we want someone to just pick a team with a shape and tactics they can understand and get them fired up why not go for Paul Ince? He's actually had a modicum of success as a manager instead of Alan "Are you UTTERLY INSANE???" Shearer

[nicko]

I'm going to ensure tht this post is saved for blackmail purposes if Shearer gets the job.

If we want someone to just pick a team with a shape and tactics they can understand and get them fired up why not go for Paul Ince? He's actually had a modicum of success as a manager instead of Alan "Are you UTTERLY INSANE???" Shearer

Please do.

Would Ince command the same respect as Shearer? Does a year at Macclesfield and MK Dons in the old Fourth Division qualify you for anything...apart from another season in the old Fourth Division?