[Archived] Paul Ince Gone

[broadsword]

Off the record comments from ###### who happily throw games might keep you happy, but I personally have no interest. Shy are they?

By the way, got any further updates on that other jumped up darkie you were telling us about? They're all the same you know!

That was rather low, and uncalled for.

Fine, off-the-record comments don't keep you happy. Good for you. Can't say I agree with you, but no big deal.

As Jimmy Tarbrush used to say: "A difference of opinion here ..."

[philipl]

Off the record comments from ###### who happily throw games might keep you happy, but I personally have no interest. Shy are they?

By the way, got any further updates on that other jumped up darkie you were telling us about? They're all the same you know!

Cough.

I know you were referring to clothing or toothpaste but others might not.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Personally I feel Ince was an unfortunate victim of circumstance and as I first posted when he was appointed, was on a hiding to nothing from the beginning. I thought he could have done a good job for us but now we will never know.

Not being naïve enough not to think he has contributed to his downfall and after Saturday he had to go as Rovers could not afford to go on as they where, however I do feel things have gone against him in the normal term of things ie injuries , lack of money , lack of management experience and the biggy lack of time and need to stay in the Premier at all costs.

As I have posted many times before, I am not into knee jerk reactions with regard to the sacking of managers and feel they do need time and was happy to give Ince/the club allow him to get his feet under the table and start to influence his own management on the club (and something I am sure the Rovers Board would have done if it wasn’t for the biggy issue mentioned above)

All the more perfectly highlighted in this post from Billy Castell in the ‘Keep Your Nose Out Lma thread ………. Showing exactly the state of what football is unfortunately about nowadays.

You say " I thought he could have done a good job for us but now we'll know". Well I know !

What appears to be being missed by the majority of outside punters is the manner we have been getting beat - yes defeats can be accepted even on the run we where on ( we are still not far off safety) but not the supposed performances that we have witnessed lately which even a kindergarten team would not have put in..and where we did not appear to be even learning or improving from one game to the next –

In the meantime however, and this really worries me – there was an interview with Ray Mattias on Radio Lancs last night – and he said they will just prepare for the weekend game with the same training methods as they have done since the start of the season!!! – this will be the same players with the same coaching team less Ince … this on the face of it sounds alarming but for the time being is the reality of the situation, however it may answer the questions of our problems or may just confirm a few home truths especially with the players.

A manager tends to always be the first to go as the buck lies with them, I just feel its quite apparent there is something more rootcore to all of this.

Good luck Ince, I am sure you will bounce back with success - possibly the right club for you but was certainly the wrong time.

Well I know !

[Exiled in Toronto]

That was rather low, and uncalled for.

Fine, off-the-record comments don't keep you happy. Good for you. Can't say I agree with you, but no big deal.

As Jimmy Tarbrush used to say: "A difference of opinion here ..."

Perhaps. But being called an Ince apologist by someone who pre-judged him based on his similarity to an office colleague of a similar hue was a bit rich though.

It is necessary only for the good man to do nothing for evil to triumph....

[Nate]

Personally I feel Ince was an unfortunate victim of circumstance and as I first posted when he was appointed, was on a hiding to nothing from the beginning. I thought he could have done a good job for us but now we will never know.

Not being naïve enough not to think he has contributed to his downfall and after Saturday he had to go as Rovers could not afford to go on as they where, however I do feel things have gone against him in the normal term of things ie injuries , lack of money , lack of management experience and the biggy lack of time and need to stay in the Premier at all costs.

As I have posted many times before, I am not into knee jerk reactions with regard to the sacking of managers and feel they do need time and was happy to give Ince/the club allow him to get his feet under the table and start to influence his own management on the club (and something I am sure the Rovers Board would have done if it wasn’t for the biggy issue mentioned above)

All the more perfectly highlighted in this post from Billy Castell in the ‘Keep Your Nose Out Lma thread ………. Showing exactly the state of what football is unfortunately about nowadays.

What appears to be being missed by the majority of outside punters is the manner we have been getting beat - yes defeats can be accepted even on the run we where on ( we are still not far off safety) but not the supposed performances that we have witnessed lately which even a kindergarten team would not have put in..and where we did not appear to be even learning or improving from one game to the next –

In the meantime however, and this really worries me – there was an interview with Ray Mattias on Radio Lancs last night – and he said they will just prepare for the weekend game with the same training methods as they have done since the start of the season!!! – this will be the same players with the same coaching team less Ince … this on the face of it sounds alarming but for the time being is the reality of the situation, however it may answer the questions of our problems or may just confirm a few home truths especially with the players.

A manager tends to always be the first to go as the buck lies with them, I just feel its quite apparent there is something more rootcore to all of this.

Good luck Ince, I am sure you will bounce back with success - possibly the right club for you but was certainly the wrong time.

How dare you speak so rationally on this forum!

[den]

From the Paul Robinson post, my take on Ince's short time at the club:

Good article this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2008/...lackburn-rovers

Robinson might not be a disaster but he certainly aint a Brad Freidel is he?

No, he isn't a Friedel.

All this goes to underline my belief, that Ince got off on the wrong foot. I said at the time and I strongly believe that his undoing was not keeping the squad he inherited together at least until January. He let Brad and Bentley go, and in all honesty, I don't think he had a clue who he was selling. He'd decided that Fowler, Andrews etc we're of the quality necessary without having a clue what was needed. If he hadn't done that straight away, he might still have been in a job. It probably wouldn't have lasted because in my opinion Ince was the worst manager we've had for a long, long time, - but he sealed his own fate in the first few weeks.

[broadsword]

Perhaps. But being called an Ince apologist by someone who pre-judged him based on his similarity to an office colleague of a similar hue was a bit rich though.

It is necessary only for the good man to do nothing for evil to triumph....

ouch, I remember that now.

include me out of that argument :-)

[Jan]

Perhaps. But being called an Ince apologist by someone who pre-judged him based on his similarity to an office colleague of a similar hue was a bit rich though.

It is necessary only for the good man to do nothing for evil to triumph....

Hwever, one has to come back to the simple fact that I was right and the comparison stands............

By the way, the good "men" DID do something. Both have now gone. And your reference is racist.

[CrazyIvan]

Hwever, one has to come back to the simple fact that I was right and the comparison stands............

By the way, the good "men" DID do something. Both have now gone. And your reference is racist.

Why is his reference racist?

[Exiled in Toronto]

Hwever, one has to come back to the simple fact that I was right and the comparison stands............

By the way, the good "men" DID do something. Both have now gone. And your reference is racist.

If you like. Predicting that an over-promoted, inexperienced black man will fail because he reminds you of an over-promoted, inexperienced black man in your office is neither insightful nor tasteful. Have you carried out your overt threat to drive your car over Ince yet? Muslim clerics have been deported for less.

[CAPT KAYOS]

Well I know !

I wouldn't doubt it TS

Its all about opinions at the end of the day - I just feel at the end of the day there is more than Ince at fault here.

[JC4LAB]

Sad...I wish Incy well..If we were struggling for promtion from the Championship maybe Incy could have been another Keano and become our hero taking us up..In the Premiership even teams full of England Players and Internationals have been in the mix still struggling so bringing in lower divsion players is not right at this level.Steve Coppell on MOTD when we played Reading said of us that he admires us cos Blackburn are veterans of Premership Survival...Just hope we still are...

[Rovermatt]

I just watched Setanta News open-mouthed as Harry Redknapp angrily claimed that Ince hadn't been given a chance (his appalling record equals 'a couple of bad results' as far as 'Arry is concerned). He strongly implied that little old Rovers shouldn't be getting ideas above their station, and then went on to say that we won the championship all those years ago with 'Mr Walker's money'. Every time you think you've run out of reasons to despise Spurs, another presents itself.

[thenodrog]

I just watched Setanta News open-mouthed as Harry Redknapp angrily claimed that Ince hadn't been given a chance (his appalling record equals 'a couple of bad results' as far as 'Arry is concerned). He strongly implied that little old Rovers shouldn't be getting ideas above their station, and then went on to say that we won the championship all those years ago with 'Mr Walker's money'. Every time you think you've run out of reasons to despise Spurs, another presents itself.

The shyte that he's done to Soton and Pompey (and he dragged Newcastle through the mud for his own gain) and rem it was him who pushed Ramos out. Hypocritical cockney gobshyte.

[RibbleValleyRover]

I just watched Setanta News open-mouthed as Harry Redknapp angrily claimed that Ince hadn't been given a chance (his appalling record equals 'a couple of bad results' as far as 'Arry is concerned). He strongly implied that little old Rovers shouldn't be getting ideas above their station, and then went on to say that we won the championship all those years ago with 'Mr Walker's money'. Every time you think you've run out of reasons to despise Spurs, another presents itself.

Never been a fan of his, don't get this "our Arry" persona that some people seem to like. Aside from the FA Cup what has he won in his managerial career? At least we have experienced winning the premier league, something "Arry" or that scumbag club Spurs will never experience.

[sweet]

Any word on the backroom staff?

[RevidgeBlue]

I just watched Setanta News open-mouthed as Harry Redknapp angrily claimed that Ince hadn't been given a chance (his appalling record equals 'a couple of bad results' as far as 'Arry is concerned). He strongly implied that little old Rovers shouldn't be getting ideas above their station, and then went on to say that we won the championship all those years ago with 'Mr Walker's money'. Every time you think you've run out of reasons to despise Spurs, another presents itself.

They're not exactly completely out of the mire yet.

Everyone else around us would have wanted us to keep Ince whilst we were performing so badly as that would have been two of the relegation places sewn up along with WBA.

[John]

Harry Redknapp, what a c*ck.

[RovertheHill]

Who's the idiot interviewed by SSN outside the club saying Ince was the man and he wasn't given enough time? Talk about contributing to the crap being spouted about time. Come on, own up

[islander200]

The Times does a quiet exposee on the disaster that was the Ince tenure. One journo who has not discovered this web site if you look at the 2nd page!

philipl do you still mantain that ince lost the dressing room?Only after watching nelsons interview and reading david dunns comments i find your beliefs quite hard to believe.Why would dunn come and say they were behind ince,if they were not surely it would have been better not to say anything at all.I am not accusing you of lying,i just want to know the truth?

[Amo]

Who's the idiot interviewed by SSN outside the club saying Ince was the man and he wasn't given enough time? Talk about contributing to the crap being spouted about time. Come on, own up

Yeah, I couldn't stop bitching to my dad when I watched that part.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I wouldn't doubt it TS

Its all about opinions at the end of the day - I just feel at the end of the day there is more than Ince at fault here.

Whichever way you look at it Ince's regime has ended as an embarrassing failure. That's not an opinion it's a fact.

I totally agree with you that there are other culprits in this failure. The board for appointing him in the first place ( and taking 4 weeks too long to get rid ). And the players who played like they'd no faith in his methods whilst apparently backing him in public.

[nicko]

philipl do you still mantain that ince lost the dressing room?Only after watching nelsons interview and reading david dunns comments i find your beliefs quite hard to believe.Why would dunn come and say they were behind ince,if they were not surely it would have been better not to say anything at all.I am not accusing you of lying,i just want to know the truth?

It takes a great deal of courage for a poster to come out and tell it like he hears it.

Before you forget - the mole within your club who was leaking to the Daily Mail in the summer was telling the truth, the only reason I ignored his info was because I felt it was too early.

Every detail I had in the Sunday People a week ago was from people who knew what was going on and every single one who told me had the interest of Rovers at heart.

This sniping at a guy who clearly knows a great deal about what happens is wrong.

There are several people on and around here who were aware of certain things that were going on but could not go public as there was a lot of walking on eggshells during the reign of your previous manager.

Some had the guts to tell it straight.

[alexanders]

Ol Arry' is afraid we will get in front of them on the table

I find Nelsen's interview baffling:

"All the players loved Paul Ince"

"He was a great guy"

[islander200]

It takes a great deal of courage for a poster to come out and tell it like he hears it.

Before you forget - the mole within your club who was leaking to the Daily Mail in the summer was telling the truth, the only reason I ignored his info was because I felt it was too early.

Every detail I had in the Sunday People a week ago was from people who knew what was going on and every single one who told me had the interest of Rovers at heart.

This sniping at a guy who clearly knows a great deal about what happens is wrong.

There are several people on and around here who were aware of certain things that were going on but could not go public as there was a lot of walking on eggshells during the reign of your previous manager.

Some had the guts to tell it straight.

Nicko i clearly stated in my post that i wasnt accusing phillipl of lying,i just want to know the truth.I apolagise if my post seemed like i was sniping but i genuianly wasnt.I love this club and i dont want to see it torn apart.Once again i am sorry phillipl ther was no offence meant by my post.