[Archived] Paul Ince Gone

[roversmum]

There was a very interesting article about him in last week's Sunday Telegraph written by Stewart Robson.

He argued that Adams had set about becoming a manger in the right way; he had started a degree in management, he had indeed gone to look at other peoples' ideas on coaching and he had begun with a lower league club.

Then, he began to castigate Adams, who had not completed the degree and had left Wycombe when things got tough.

He also said that Adams was a motivator as a player by "being a chest beater" rather than a tactical genius.

I'm sure you'll be able to find the article.

here it is

[PAFELL]

I think if Harry is so upset - he should offer his resignation to the Spuds board - after all they can't be very supportive dismissing Ramos so soon into the new season

Is that the same Harry who said Pompey is my club and I will not be going anywhere else?????????

[Billy Castell]

I think that Paul Ince will either:

1. Follow a similar career path to the likes of Iain Dowie and Mickey Adams, and go through 12 jobs in 6 years as he'll get hired, and then fired quickly., thus tarnishing his reputation as an 'up and coming' manager.

2. Become an assistant to a wily, experienced manager in the Harry Redknapp mould and attempt to learn from them.

3. Manage a 2nd division team and become a solid 1st division manager like Neil Warnock.

[broadsword]

I'm still annoyed about it, I really am.

How could we ever appointed someone so useless.

He's really done a good good of stuffing my club up. Did he actually mean to? Did he not care? What planet is he on?

I can't understand the thinking of taking an approach that is doomed to failure.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

I'm still annoyed about it, I really am.

How could we ever appointed someone so useless.

He's really done a good good of stuffing my club up. Did he actually mean to? Did he not care? What planet is he on?

I can't understand the thinking of taking an approach that is doomed to failure.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

JW had previously taken a gamble on Hughes and it paid off - this one didn't. I am sure that JW did his homework - and spoke to all the right people before appointing him. Though I am probably one of the few to admit it now - I thought (at the time) that Ince was worth a go. He had at least had an apprenticeship in the lower leagues, he had won things and his teams had a reputation for progressive attacking football. It is such a shame that the jump was obviously too great for him at this time.

[John]

I'm still annoyed about it, I really am.

How could we ever appointed someone so useless.

He's really done a good good of stuffing my club up. Did he actually mean to? Did he not care? What planet is he on?

I can't understand the thinking of taking an approach that is doomed to failure.

Join the club. From relief at his sacking, to happiness at Sam's appointment. Then I look at the league table, and I just think why oh why.

Of course people can say hindsight is an easy thing, but I am just finding myself so angry/upset that we are in this situation (really need to think about something else).

But what about Blackburn's action on June 22nd? That was when they appointed Ince as successor to Mark Hughes. What logic, what knowledge, what conversations occurred then that made Blackburn move for a man of limited managerial experience?

[LWX]

But what about Blackburn's action on June 22nd? That was when they appointed Ince as successor to Mark Hughes. What logic, what knowledge, what conversations occurred then that made Blackburn move for a man of limited managerial experience?

I think there's a few really good points in the article.

[Amo]

That's because Ramos had been there a year, wasn't a young English manager and his team declined rapidly after the cup win last season.

So you don't think Ramos' cup success should have bought him more time?

People can bemoan the lack of chances given to young British managers, but if they perform as badly as Ince did in a short space of time you can't blame boards for looking further afield.

[DeadlyDirk]

I really am fed up of everyone defending Ince and criticising the club.

Now when Ince took over and throughout his time here until near the end I was happy with him, well to a point. When he was appointed it was a bit of a surprise but I thought it was an exciting move to appoint and up and coming english manager, lets see what happens. He got off to a decent start, we were 7th after 7 games was it? Things just got worse then though, we seemed to have no identity, we were not hard to beat and not playing well enough to take the game to teams.

We havent one in 11, that is relegation form without any question, relegation for this club with the way things are in football at the moment is unthinkable. Sure Ince might have turned it around but it got to the point where we couldn't take that chance, it was make or break for the club. You can tell how important JW thought it was to make the decision and act quickly because he has brought Allardyce in before our next league game. We have also brought him in before the next transfer window which could be vital given Sam's record of wheeling and deeling where as Ince's signings have been okay in areas and very questionable in others.

If Paul Ince had stayed in charge and we had gone down then the fans would never have forgiven JW, if we do go down anyway then at least we know he tried to change something and did his best. It's better to regret doing something than regret not doing something.

Now as I said from the start, I was in support of Ince, I thought inititally he did come in for unfair criticism but the fact of the matter is that with only half of the season to go we are in the relegation zone and Paul Ince has taken us there, right now we couldn't be confident of him getting us out of there. Ince had got to the end of the plank and had to be pushed. If he had been given a couple more weeks then we would have been in the christmas period, all of a sudden 4 more games had gone and were bottom of the league at christmas with no hope.

Other clubs have been far harsher and not so much has been made of it, we haven't been rash in the past and this is a rare occurence for a club like ours, ex players and managers should respect that, had Ince been sat in 14th then maybe it would have been a different story. They criticise other clubs for not allowing managers to bring in their own players, we have made certain that Allardyce is going to be able to do that as well as giving him 2 weeks to look at potential targets.

Now I don't hold a grudge against Ince, at the end of the day he gave it ago and it didn't work out for him or us, time for a change.

[philipl]

I am so pleased this excrecance is no longer associated with our club.

He always hated the Rovers and should never have been allowed anywhere our great football club let alone be paid £1.5m a year to destroy us.

The man is a complete and utter disgrace- an ego driven ignoramus who is simply too thick ever to be a Premier League Manager. Let this be a warning to the Premier League- standards and rules are there for a good reason and Blackburn Rovers have been close to being destroyed because they were set aside and a complete numpty escapee from

Jurasic Park and his brain dead fossilized side kicks were allowed to ruin our club.

I have zero sympathy that they have now been thrown out of work.

They should never have been employed in the first place and their disgraceful boozing golfing shambolic rando

time keeping backwards bullying thick ignorant presence ever have been tolerated at Blackburn Rovers FC.

Thank goodness their mission to destroy us is terminated.

[Plastic Head]

I am so pleased this excrecance is no longer associated with our club.

He always hated the Rovers and should never have been allowed anywhere our great football club let alone be paid £1.5m a year to destroy us.

The man is a complete and utter disgrace- an ego driven ignoramus who is simply too thick ever to be a Premier League Manager. Let this be a warning to the Premier League- standards and rules are there for a good reason and Blackburn Rovers have been close to being destroyed because they were set aside and a complete numpty escapee from

Jurasic Park and his brain dead fossilized side kicks were allowed to ruin our club.

I have zero sympathy that they have now been thrown out of work.

They should never have been employed in the first place and their disgraceful boozing golfing shambolic rando

time keeping backwards bullying thick ignorant presence ever have been tolerated at Blackburn Rovers FC.

Thank goodness their mission to destroy us is terminated.

Do you sit near me in the Riverside?

Anyway i'm just waiting fot the "if Blackburn had given Ince 1 more game he would have turned it round - what has Sam done diferently in 2 days" comments to start coming out of the media now.

Well the fact is we would not have won today with Ince in charge. For a start he wouldn't have played Roberts or McCarthy (my picks to start up front also today before the game).

Secondly basic defending like filling in and getting two banks of four would not have happened.

Thirdly the whole atmosphere would have been one of vitriol.

There seems to be a big mystery surrounding football coaching and tactics but really it's fairly basic stuff that can be analysed like any other activity The board should have been investigating and challenging these issues some time ago, instead of hoping Ince would magically "turn it round".

The question should have been asked of Ince "what are you doing to turn it round?" and "working hard on the training ground" was not a sufficiently detailed answer.

I have to provide reports on parts of the business under my remit that aren't running smoothly or profitably and let higher management know what the problems are and exactly what I am doing to address them.

This should have been the case with Ince and failure to provide a meaningful reply should have led to dismisal on the grounds of gross misconduct, thus saving us a few quid.

[leftfooter]

I am so pleased this excrecance is no longer associated with our club.

He always hated the Rovers and should never have been allowed anywhere our great football club let alone be paid £1.5m a year to destroy us.

The man is a complete and utter disgrace- an ego driven ignoramus who is simply too thick ever to be a Premier League Manager. Let this be a warning to the Premier League- standards and rules are there for a good reason and Blackburn Rovers have been close to being destroyed because they were set aside and a complete numpty escapee from

Jurasic Park and his brain dead fossilized side kicks were allowed to ruin our club.

I have zero sympathy that they have now been thrown out of work.

They should never have been employed in the first place and their disgraceful boozing golfing shambolic rando

time keeping backwards bullying thick ignorant presence ever have been tolerated at Blackburn Rovers FC.

Thank goodness their mission to destroy us is terminated.

That was my initial contention.

Ince lost the moral right to manage our great club for mindlessly disparaging us.

Shamefully I threw in my lot behind him once he had beeen appointed.

Shame on John Williams for appointing him in the first place.

[Amo]

What exactly DID Ince say about us all those years ago??

[philipl]

got to be joking.

With Ince in charge Stoke would have won today without a doubt.

Stoke had the ball in the Rovers' third of the pitch 44 per cent of the first half. There is no way on earth that fool would have set up Rovers to have successfuly defended agaist that.

[Mozzer]

the question would we have won??

i mean under paul ince the effort and determination seemed to go from blackburn-and today we looked a different side-a premierleague side that could actually defend-we showed passion and every single player worked really hard..

[leftfooter]

"...They should never have been employed in the first place and their disgraceful boozing golfing shambolic rando[m] sic) time keeping backwards bullying thick ignorant presence ever have been tolerated at Blackburn Rovers FC..."

If one knew, he wondered, the facts, would one have to feel pity even for the planets? If one reached what they called the heart of the matter?

[thenodrog]

I really am fed up of everyone defending Ince and criticising the club.

Don't be Dirk. Just remember that 'no one can defend the indefensible'. Anybody who tries to defend the Ince tenure is an agenda'd fool who does not care a fig for Blackburn Rovers and thats that!

Talking of fools ...... The sky lunch time prog was on earlier with Le Tiss, Mrs Merson, Nicholas and Pinnochio Thompson. They were all asked about Ince and the only one who definitely insisted that we sacked him too soon was Phil Thompson. Then when asked to forecast the winner he went along with the other 3 and voted for the Rovers!!!! err hows that work then numpty?

[John]

Talking of fools ...... The sky lunch time prog was on earlier with Le Tiss, Mrs Merson, Nicholas and Pinnochio Thompson. They were all asked about Ince and the only one who definitely insisted that we sacked him too soon was Phil Thompson. Then when asked to forecast the winner he went along with the other 3 and voted for the Rovers!!!! err hows that work then numpty?

See my comments here.

[philipl]

I feel better for that rant

Why should waggy have all the best invective?

Would have been better if those morons had never set foot in the place and dumped us in peril of losing the club.

[Amo]

Someone answer my question, please?

[John]

Sir Bobby Robson speaking sense:

He didn't have his coaching badges, he was inexperienced in signing Premier League players and, by some accounts, the players were struggling to build a rapport on the training ground with his staff.

[Paul]

I just caught the end of 606 on my way to the curry shop......................all I can say is don't get on the wrong side of Janice!! You were right though Jan and it needed saying as many in the media won't have seen the shambles Rovers had become.

[philipl]

Someone answer my question, please?

When he was Man U, he was always indicating that we were not a big club and therefore not fit to be challenging Man U and had bought the title so it did not count.

It was particularly grating to see the ugly little scrote score the second goal with an overhead kick when we lost the Charity Shield to Man U at Wembley as he'd been particularly dismissive of Rovers in interviews prior to that game.

Then when he was finishing at Inter, Rovers were ready to bid £6m to buy him (and this was before Liverpool had made any move). Ince was interviewed live by James Richardson on Channel 4s Football Italia and he said there was no way he was ever going to Blackburn, that he would go to a big club capable of winning things and playing European football and implied that Jack Walker's money was not good enough for him. We had been top of the table at Christmas under Hodgson during the season he was talking and I think we still qualified for a UEFA place at the end of it.

Well done Jan- don't know what you said but it seems you hit the bull's eye!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Lets all draw a big thick line under this thread now and call it a day folks eh,Ince is now thankfully history and now big Sam is set to reign supreme.

[Paul]

Well done Jan- don't know what you said but it seems you hit the bull's eye!

Jan pointed out, quite forcefully, today, apart from Andrews and Robinson, this was Mark Hughes' team that finished 7th. Not an Ince team, not an Allardyce team. She then went on to mention if you play two cntre forward on opposite wings, a central defender at right back and your best left back in midfield it's hardly surprising if the team loses and the players don't have a clue what to do!