[Archived] Paul Ince Gone

[CrazyIvan]

I'll move on once our Premier League future is secure and the stench of Paul Ince no longer lingers. Unfortunately there's a fairly good chance that will never happen.

You desperately defended Ince for months, now that it's proven he was useless you're nowhere to be seen.

Sorry T4E, you obviously haven't been reading my posts recently. Lets just say you're making yourself look very silly right now.

[T4E]

Most ludicrous post of the year.

A few internet posters who kept an open mind because they prefer to base their views on facts rather than gossip will be the reason we got relegated?

Using your warped logic, it could be argued that those who KNEW and did nothing tangible about it are far more to blame. What did you do about the gossip other than bleat on here? Did you go and see JW to pass on your concerns? Picket Brockhall? Thought not.

But, back to the real world, do you not think the Chairman, who has been in the job 12 years, knows everyone in the place and had just appointed a novice, should have had his ear to the ground to check on the progress of his key employee? Or are you suggesting he should sit in his office and read internet sites in order to appraise his staff?

Many people contacted the chairman. Are they all to blame too? Are you trying to rival me for most ludicrous?

It's easy to talk with hindsight, it's harder to see it coming. We'll never know how it affected things, but so many people being obsessed with 'pushing a boulder up a hill' - not my words - certainly in no way helped the club or the situation. I didn't understand the motivation at the time, and I still don't know. I just hope those people have learned from things and will take the blue and white tinted specs off next time and think more rationally.

[Sysagent]

Can this thread be locked now Mods as it doesn't seem to be serving any purpose other than providing an outlet for childish infighting of some Rover's "fans".

[philipl]

I think it still serves a useful safety valve for those of us who feel so angry about what happened.

Anyone who thinks the Ince legacy doesn't live on only needs top look at the League table today.

[PAFELL]

Can this thread be locked now Mods as it doesn't seem to be serving any purpose other than providing an outlet for childish infighting of some Rover's "fans".

Agreed it is a pointless thread - INCE HAS GONE

[John]

Few vacancies available and the messiah keeps getting mentioned.

Chairman Pearson certainly has plenty of possible candidates to consider - the likes of Alan Curbishley, Paul Ince, Roy Keane, Steve Cotterrill, Nigel Clough, Aidy Boothroyd, Gary McAllister

[T4E]

Can this thread be locked now Mods as it doesn't seem to be serving any purpose other than providing an outlet for childish infighting of some Rover's "fans".

I was about to quote you and agree on this, then Phil posted below and wound me up again.

I think it still serves a useful safety valve for those of us who feel so angry about what happened.

Anyone who thinks the Ince legacy doesn't live on only needs top look at the League table today.

........a league table which still looks dire despite picking up more points in 3 games than Ince managed in his last 11. What a horrible second half of 2008 it's been.

[American]

Are you trying to rival me for most ludicrous?

You have no rivals....

[T4E]

Thanks for your contribution. I eagerly await your next insightful on topic post.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I was about to quote you and agree on this, then Phil posted below and wound me up again.

........a league table which still looks dire despite picking up more points in 3 games than Ince managed in his last 11. What a horrible second half of 2008 it's been.

I think you two really do need to move on; you're sounding like 7-year olds who were frightened by the clown at the children's party and now can't enjoy the jelly and cake.

Personally, I would rather we had the occasional brush with relegation as surviving a relegation fight is almost as good as a promotion season. Apart from the last 6 minutes, yesterday was the most I have enjoyed a Rovers match for at least a year, and it sounded the best Ewood atmosphere for just as long, because it felt like we turned a corner. The agony and the ecstasy. Now we are in this position, I'm going to be a lot more emotionally involved in the 2nd half of this season than I was the last. Being perpetually in risk-free mid-table would kill my interest pdq.

[broadsword]

I'm more than happy to avoid the occasional brush with relegation.

It's like sticking your hand in the flame, sooner or later you'll get burned.

[Majiball]

I know its not Ince but they have so much in common I thought I'd pop it in here.

Goals in the sun has a they said it in 2008 section today.

"It'll be a once in a lifetime opportunity and those don't come around very often"

No ######!!

Any guesses who the Wally is?

Good old Steve McClaren, you make Ince look good with the press, lol.

[thenodrog]

I think you two really do need to move on; you're sounding like 7-year olds who were frightened by the clown at the children's party and now can't enjoy the jelly and cake.

Personally, I would rather we had the occasional brush with relegation as surviving a relegation fight is almost as good as a promotion season. Apart from the last 6 minutes, yesterday was the most I have enjoyed a Rovers match for at least a year, and it sounded the best Ewood atmosphere for just as long, because it felt like we turned a corner. The agony and the ecstasy. Now we are in this position, I'm going to be a lot more emotionally involved in the 2nd half of this season than I was the last. Being perpetually in risk-free mid-table would kill my interest pdq.

If you keep buying a ticket one day you'll win the lottery!

[Paul]

Funny how those people who were insisting that we shouldn't listen to any rumours and blindly back the manager are now conspicuous by their absence in this thread.

That heads in the sand attitude may well have kept Paul Ince in a job 3/4 games longer than it should have, and may end up relegating us.

You need to think hard about these two statements. To take the second first, none of us who "insisted we shouldn't listen to any rumours" had our heads in the sand, leastways I most certainly didn't. What I and several others tried to do was present a more balanced view than the taboid style hysteria "Ince Out" - you can stiil find some fine examples of this hysteria in the Rovers v Citeh thread. The difficulty being once mob rule is established, which it was on this topic, anyone who tried to present a different view was shouted down by those whose contribution was nothing more than to scream "Ince Out" and insult the man. Some posters can see beyond this and maintain some dignity in what they write. Attempts to have a thread for this discussion where twice thwarted by the admin / mods.

My stance on all matters so I'm entirely consistent, has always been to ignore rumours. I simply cannot understand why so many people continue to be sucked in by the tabloid nonsense / rumour mill on this subject or myriad others. Though I suppose it does give something to talk about. I form my vews by what I see on the pitch at Ewood Park rather than at arms length via the media. Live TV or no.

To suggest the few who protested in this manner are responsible for keeping Ince in place for an extra 3/4 games which may see us relegated is a fine example of the hysterical response I dislike. Of course JW takes notice of the fans opinions, but it would not be the deciding influence on when to sack a manager. If it were JW should not be in post.

[modes98]

Paul Ince's spin machine in action again. He is an early candidate for the Derby job!

[Majiball]

If Ince gets a new Job do we get some of our money back??

[imy9]

Funny how those people who were insisting that we shouldn't listen to any rumours and blindly back the manager are now conspicuous by their absence in this thread.

That heads in the sand attitude may well have kept Paul Ince in a job 3/4 games longer than it should have, and may end up relegating us.

I would not read too much into that, the fact that the thread is "Paul Ince is gone" means that he no longer has anything to do with Blackburn Rovers FC means that I dont see any point engaging in a conversation about him.

I think you are confusing "giving the guy a chance" (and not listening to the Daily Mail") with the hysterical mob mentality shown by some posters on here.

I firmly backed Ince to be sacked after the Portsmouth game, which was based on results on the pitch, some posters wanted him out BEFORE a ball was kicked, others after game 3. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but history will show that most posters on here wanted Ince before Big Sam and 2000 set up anti Sam thing on facebook, Williams took this account before appointing Ince, any blame on them?

[American]

I would hope that the petition was factor number 20 out of 22 or something like that, i.e. not important in the grand scheme of things. Pure conjecture, but we had succeeded with an inexperienced (i.e. cheap) manager before and he felt we could do the same again.

I would also hope that roughly a 20/80% vote for keeping Ince versus firing him would have nothing to do with keeping him on a few extra matches. If Williams really sat there and said, nah, we can't fire him, 20% of our fans want to keep him, he would never have been in the position to make that decision. I do agree that he made mistakes in not forcing Ince to hire a more experienced backroom staff, taking the cheap route to begin with (it's been said before, Sparky could afford to mess up with a few of his bargain signings, Williams doesn't have the luxury to even mess up one of his), and not being as decisive in his decision timing, but he isn't completely incompetent.

[John]

What I cannot understand is that it was such a huge risk to take. I know Southgate and Keane have done it with little or no experience, but it was such a massive managerial leap from League Two to the Premiership. It would have been historic if he ended up successful.

Plus the fact as a player, he had a slightly questionable character. Liverpool fans were telling me he acted like a complete prat whilst he was there.

Not having a go at anyone, but I was stunned how many people were positive about the decision to hire him. Speaking to other football fans from around the UK, they knew we were in trouble as soon as we appointed him.

Not joking, I even had nightmares about him managing our club the week before we appointed him! Last time I had nightmares was when Dowie was in the mix for taking over before Hughes was appointed.

[waggy]

Many people contacted the chairman. Are they all to blame too? Are you trying to rival me for most ludicrous?

It's easy to talk with hindsight, it's harder to see it coming. We'll never know how it affected things, but so many people being obsessed with 'pushing a boulder up a hill' - not my words - certainly in no way helped the club or the situation. I didn't understand the motivation at the time, and I still don't know. I just hope those people have learned from things and will take the blue and white tinted specs off next time and think more rationally.

ah right i must send a e-mail to john williams,the spinelesss man,and demand he sacks alladice

[thenodrog]

I firmly backed Ince to be sacked after the Portsmouth game, which was based on results on the pitch, some posters wanted him out BEFORE a ball was kicked, others after game 3. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but history will show that most posters on here wanted Ince before Big Sam and 2000 set up anti Sam thing on facebook, Williams took this account before appointing Ince, any blame on them?

Yes bloody loads. Let them hang their heads in shame. It started as a stupid and juvenile prank but ended going very wrong.

The power of the internet eh?

ah right i must send a e-mail to john williams,the spinelesss man,and demand he sacks alladice

Sack Allardyce... bring Ince and his merry men back presumably. The white van'll be round in a flash waggy.

[waggy]

Sack Allardyce... bring Ince and his merry men back presumably. The white van'll be round in a flash waggy.

i was against alllidice before ince's appiontment,some of us have backbone

[T4E]

I would not read too much into that, the fact that the thread is "Paul Ince is gone" means that he no longer has anything to do with Blackburn Rovers FC means that I dont see any point engaging in a conversation about him.

I think you are confusing "giving the guy a chance" (and not listening to the Daily Mail") with the hysterical mob mentality shown by some posters on here.

I firmly backed Ince to be sacked after the Portsmouth game, which was based on results on the pitch, some posters wanted him out BEFORE a ball was kicked, others after game 3. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but history will show that most posters on here wanted Ince before Big Sam and 2000 set up anti Sam thing on facebook, Williams took this account before appointing Ince, any blame on them?

Absolutely there is blame on them. A secenario which, if true, only goes to show how the club is influenced by the feelings of the fans.

It wasn't until there was a virtual 100% agreement on here (and I'd imagine replicated in the bars and pubs near Ewood) that Ince had to go that the club finally took action.

As I said before, the Paulettes coming on here now and saying them realising sooner would have made no difference is a surprising stand-point. If they thought that, why were they so adamant not only in posting in support for Ince, but also in chastising those that were criticising him? Why bother?

[CrazyIvan]

Absolutely there is blame on them. A secenario which, if true, only goes to show how the club is influenced by the feelings of the fans.

It wasn't until there was a virtual 100% agreement on here (and I'd imagine replicated in the bars and pubs near Ewood) that Ince had to go that the club finally took action.

As I said before, the Paulettes coming on here now and saying them realising sooner would have made no difference is a surprising stand-point. If they thought that, why were they so adamant not only in posting in support for Ince, but also in chastising those that were criticising him? Why bother?

I find this entire debate utterly pointless and an exercise in navel gazing. T4E your language and the tenor of your words is aimed to annoy and aggravate those people who thought that giving a man a chance to prove himself was a worthwhile exercise rather than listening to rumours mostly from a paper that is constantly anti-Rovers and people who had decided Ince was useless before he made a decision. I made my mind up after the Sunderland game that he had to go and that was based on what was happening on the pitch rather than articles in the gutter press.

Rather than go over old ground raking up pointless arguments, put something positive forward and give us something useful and interesting to debate.

[Iceman]

is it not time to lock this thread, and move on.... just seeing the guy's name on here still, upsets me. i demand that this Ince thread be locked