[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[DE.]

Newcastle bought the players WE should have been aiming for. Santon at £5m is a snip, a great little player and would have been part of the solution to our fullback problem. Cabaye and Ba - the former a superb signing and the latter good but I'll reserve judgement on him for now. If his knee is as bad as the Stoke medical team claim then that could still turn out to be a dud in the future. Point is these types of signings SHOULD have been in our grasp considering Venky's promises. How did we end up with all these cheap deals on unproven players?

Admittedly Obertan is one we didn't need but then I'm sure they'd say the same about Formica or Petrovic.

[Jimmy612]

Not sure how I've modified the truth? Enlighten me Jimmy.

Ahh you meant replaced him with Keegan? I do apologise. I thought you had just forgotten about the managers in between SA and Pardew. Even so Ashley is hardly a shining example. He went on to appoint Joe Kinnear and Alan Shearer, both poor appointments. He also sacked Chris Hughton at a strange time, a real gamble that fortunately for them paid off.

I can think of far better owners than Ashley, although he certainly has disappeared into the background, imo where all owners should be, credit him for that?

Either way, clubs that sack Allardyce do seem to get worse i.e. Newcastle went down a year and a half later, and it looks like we will suffer the same fate. Both on accounts of ridiculous ownership and basic poor decisions

[3rdpillar]

This Keane bloke. He has to go.

[Jimmy612]

To be fair, Newcastle fans were up in arms when they sacked Hughton. Yet Pardew is doing a great job as it stands. Just proves that sacking Allardyce wasn't a bad move (timing aside), provided Venky's had any clue who should replace him. Instead of hiring a real manager (like Pardew), they went for Kentaro's cabana boy.

Obviously you and I differ in the opinion of whether Allardcye should be sacked as we've discussed before Topman

But it was never the plan to appoint a proper manager was it. Jerome Anderson made sure of that. And I would put a lot of money on the fact that Kean was in on it too! This for me isn't all about Kean being a terrible manager, although it certainly plays a big part. I wouldn't want him to remain as a coach either. He's a vile man, who I believe has played a big role in destroying a football club.

Venkys need to wake up fast.I have no idea if their intentions are good, but whilst they trust Steve Kean I can only assume that there is no boardroom between the manager and the owners, therefore allowing Kean to convince them all is well.

There is a number of things Venkys SHOULD do asap to save this club, and i believe it all revolves around realising that they know nothing about football. And to begin the search for the best qualified chairman they can possibly find, and allow them to take the reigns in the running of this club.

We are completely rudderless and heading into the abyss otherwise

[Mattyblue]

To be fair, Newcastle fans were up in arms when they sacked Hughton. Yet Pardew is doing a great job as it stands. Just proves that sacking Allardyce wasn't a bad move (timing aside), provided Venky's had any clue who should replace him. Instead of hiring a real manager (like Pardew), they went for Kentaro's cabana boy.

IF they had have had Jol lined up and said 'this is our club, we don't think we can have a working relationship with Mr Sam' I would have been wary of the change midseason, but it's their club and you get on with it.

However, they had nobody lined up, so the sacking was a shocker- the proviso 'good decision... if they had a replacement' is a moot point.

[rebelmswar]

We are completely rudderless and heading into the abyss otherwise

I disagree, as we have a rudder that is staying the course.

The problem is we have an utterly clueless captain and a group of admirals so out of touch with reality that the course seems admirable and correct.

They give us our grog and seastories and think we should be content, while the limes and lies are beginning to leave a sour taste in my mouth. I hope and pray that the mutiny at Ewood is a success.

[John]

This whole situation is beyond a joke now, it really is.

What are we waiting for?

As others have speculated, it appears this is the Steve Kean show and we are making decisions to suit him – what about ensuring we start to make the best decisions for the football club?

Kean might improve but why should we take the risk and hope that he can all of a sudden manage to start winning football matches we should aim for a better manager, not someone who is clearly learning their trade.

The longer we leave it, the more precarious our situation becomes unlike some other fans, personally dont think relegation is a nailed on certainty with Kean in charge, however a long season of struggle is likely.

Currently, it looks like the club is sinking and our league position reflects that.

[Jimmy612]

This whole situation is beyond a joke now, it really is.

What are we waiting for?

The longer we leave it, the more precarious our situation becomes – unlike some other fans, personally don’t think relegation is a nailed on certainty with Kean in charge, however a long season of struggle is likely.

Currently, it looks like the club is sinking and our league position reflects that.

So we need to unite as one and march against Tottenham. The amount of people who I talk to who complain about Kean, and want him sacked, and then when a march is arranged they tell me i'm a loser for going and it won't make a difference.

I got laughed at for going on the march by people who for the last 6 months have been complaining about Kean. I was at the Arsenal march, I will be at the Tottenham march, and I will be at all the others that are arranged.

Our club is sinking, I want to have the fans united behind the manager, behind the team. This isn't going to happen with Steve Kean in charge

[Gav]

Ahh you meant replaced him with Keegan? I do apologise. I thought you had just forgotten about the managers in between SA and Pardew. Even so Ashley is hardly a shining example. He went on to appoint Joe Kinnear and Alan Shearer, both poor appointments. He also sacked Chris Hughton at a strange time, a real gamble that fortunately for them paid off.

I can think of far better owners than Ashley, although he certainly has disappeared into the background, imo where all owners should be, credit him for that?

Either way, clubs that sack Allardyce do seem to get worse i.e. Newcastle went down a year and a half later, and it looks like we will suffer the same fate. Both on accounts of ridiculous ownership and basic poor decisions

From a purely operational point of view, what Ashley has done in regards to the debt, years of over spending and mismanagement is nothing short of miraculous in my eyes.

On the footballing side of things he bowed to fan pressure in sacking Allardyce and that decision has worked out for the best in the long run as you say, but he did gamble yes. Venkys had no pressure from the fans to sack Allardyce, they just went and did it on the say so of a few trusted advisers by all accounts.

I disagree that Ashley made a poor decison in sacking Allardyce, in fact i'd go as far as to say it was a master stroke if you look at the bigger picture and where the club are now.

But we digress - KEAN OUT

[RibbleValleyRover]

Maybe the plan is to scrap relegation that way it doesn't matter how ###### the manager is?

Foreign owners 'want end to Premier League relegation'

[Rovers_786]

Maybe the plan is to scrap relegation that way it doesn't matter how ###### the manager is?

Foreign owners 'want end to Premier League relegation'

wished the rules did changed

[onlyonejackwalker]

27 points from 29 games played and the 87 points available under Kean.

5 points from 8 matches and the 24 available this season.

Last clean sheet 16 games ago.

Not one match identifiable as one we are likely to win, home or away.

We are bang on target for 23.75 points this season, as long as another couple of fortuitous wins like Arsenal come our way.

As others have said, 'What are we waiting for'? Xmas?

[ABBEY]

wished the rules did changed

Why? So all tradition and history is erased just for the ego of foreign owners who know nothing about what our ancestors made!!!!! GET A GRIP and man up

[Amo]

wished the rules did changed

Why? Kean would still be manager in 2030.

[47er]

Newcastle bought the players WE should have been aiming for. Santon at £5m is a snip, a great little player and would have been part of the solution to our fullback problem. Cabaye and Ba - the former a superb signing and the latter good but I'll reserve judgement on him for now. If his knee is as bad as the Stoke medical team claim then that could still turn out to be a dud in the future. Point is these types of signings SHOULD have been in our grasp considering Venky's promises. How did we end up with all these cheap deals on unproven players?

Admittedly Obertan is one we didn't need but then I'm sure they'd say the same about Formica or Petrovic.

Think they got Ba on a "pay as you play deal" so a very good move.

[Billy Castell]

If these Smith rumours are true, then I think Kean is being allowed to knit himself an insulating blanket so he will be harder to sack. If this situation is allowed to happen, then we are done for. You may as well relegate us now.

[Baz]

From a purely operational point of view, what Ashley has done in regards to the debt, years of over spending and mismanagement is nothing short of miraculous in my eyes.

On the footballing side of things he bowed to fan pressure in sacking Allardyce and that decision has worked out for the best in the long run as you say, but he did gamble yes. Venkys had no pressure from the fans to sack Allardyce, they just went and did it on the say so of a few trusted advisers by all accounts.

I disagree that Ashley made a poor decison in sacking Allardyce, in fact i'd go as far as to say it was a master stroke if you look at the bigger picture and where the club are now.

But we digress - KEAN OUT

That £40-50m debt incurred through relegation, putting the club on the edge of a financial abyss, was well worth it? They have been very, very fortunate. They are also in a totally false position in the league and have had a relatively easy set of games to start the season too.

[joey_big_nose]

If these Smith rumours are true, then I think Kean is being allowed to knit himself an insulating blanket so he will be harder to sack. If this situation is allowed to happen, then we are done for. You may as well relegate us now.

Don't know about that. If I was runnign the club I would be extremely wary about sacking a manager if I didn't know who was going to replace him. Esecially as Venkys have little football knowledge and have burnt their bridges with their agent friends.

Appointing someone like Smith before sacking Kean would make sense. Presumably then Smith would have a hand in caretaking and finding the successor. Makes a bit more sense than Kean voluntarily selecting Smith to be his boss...?

[John]

Problem is that our next move is so crucial - should we get it wrong, we are royally screwed.

I just hope key decisions are not being made in an attempt to keep Kean on the clubs payroll, at all costs, that's the impression I get.

[Taggart]

Problem is that our next move is so crucial - should we get it wrong, we are royally screwed.

I just hope key decisions are not being made in an attempt to keep Kean on the clubs payroll, at all costs, that's the impression I get.

I don`t mind him being kept on the payroll, could be a win win situation - let him go back to coaching, where is he meant to be first class and with the youngsters development, that is where his grass roots lie and if he can still improve the coaching side of it - he just isn`t cut out to manage a premiership club so needs to be removed from there.

I`m not bothered at all what they do with him, in or out of the club, as long as they make a change sooner rather than later as it has already gone on too long now.

[Mattyblue]

Back as a coach?

1) If he has any pride he would turn it down.

2) We need a fresh break from this whole sorry episode.

IF he stays on in some capacity, there is something going on behind the scenes re SEM/Kentaro- can be no other explanation.

[BuckyRover]

It could just be that they like and trust him.

You should never make friends in business though

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

I wouldn't want him back as a coach, he strikes me as the type of guy who would be very bitter about a major demotion and would make life difficult for the new manager. Plus I'm still clinging to the hope that Venkys follow standard football procedure for once and let the new man bring in his number 2 + 3. The next manager should have total support, which means Venkys keeping their noses out of team selection/transfers, and Kean and Anderson being dumped by the club once and for all.

[Gav]

That £40-50m debt incurred through relegation, putting the club on the edge of a financial abyss, was well worth it? They have been very, very fortunate. They are also in a totally false position in the league and have had a relatively easy set of games to start the season too.

They've reduced the debt significantly over his time at the club, got rid of the big wages and are now operating within their means, all under Ashleys watch, they've made great strides, that’s all I was saying.

[Ralfinho]

Just read this from LT

My link

"With just five points from their first eight games of the season, Rovers haven’t had a worse start to a league campaign since 1996/97 when they had just three points at this stage of the campaign – culiminating in manager Ray Harford’s sacking."

So hopefully Kean will be gone this weekend!!