[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[booth]

I've typed out a number of very emotive posts this morning and deleted them without hitting the post button.

But this post pretty much sums it up for me.

Reading the bile from certain posters this morning is like being repeatedly kicked in the stomach.

Well I'm still reeling from the sham that was Goals on Sunday. One of the pundits pretty much agreed with the banner ban because he said the fans should support the team.

Well pal, I go to the games and I can tell you the fans have gotten behind the team. The banners haven't been used till the end of the game which shows far more respect than a lot of so-called bigger clubs. Look at United, winning leagues and waving banners about the Glaziers throughout the game. The plane went over because the fans were gagged.

You know what I don't agree with the plane going over during a game, but what can you do when the club did everything in their power to make sure the dissenting voices weren't heard.

We were beating Norwich and thanks to some baffling substitutions near the end we ended up losing a two goal lead and two points. We played well against a poor Chelsea side and got beat. How is that heralding an upturn in Steve Keans managerial skills?

It tells me we have a decent squad, but the man calling the shots is getting it wrong. Bad luck doesn't come into it. Chelsea had some bad luck too in case you didn't notice. The Norwich cock up wasn't down to just bad luck, it was a man playing FM2012 in the last ten minutes of an important game and losing us points.

Been happening for a long time now, Kean's tenure didn't begin in August and he's showing no signs of getting us the points we desperately need.

[John]

Even if you are judging him on just this season, his win ratio is just as poor if not worse compared with last season.

[den]

The team are now clearly, and undeniably, playing well on the pitch,

It was this attitude that that saw the backing for the last manager's sacking and a replacement being appointed - the desire to "play well". Well Quinn, the aim is to win games. If you have won a game, then that's "playing well". You can't win games regularly in the PL if the players don't play well.

We aren't, even now, playing well enough.

[booth]

It was this attitude that that saw the backing for the last manager's sacking and a replacement being appointed - the desire to "play well". Well Quinn, the aim is to win games. If you have won a game, then that's "playing well". You can't win games regularly in the PL if the players don't play well.

We aren't, even now, playing well enough.

When Roy Hodgson was in charge we were playing well, but like the last few games under Kean we had a fair dose of bad luck that season he was sacked.

Roy Hodgson was fired by Jack Walker who had the best intentions for the club. He didn't want to fire him but he felt he had to for the greater good. No one forced his hand. There were no protests. There were no planes. No chanting for Hodgsons head.

Roy Hodgson is 100x the manager that Steve Kean is. His managerial record dwarfed Keans as did his credentials.

If Jack Walker was around today would Kean be in the job? If John Williams was in charge would Kean be in the job?

No.

[DE.]

"Ultimately I'm fully aware that it's not good enough - doing okay, playing well, not winning - you know, that becomes nonsense in the end. You've got to get points." - Mick McCarthy on Sky Sports just now. Steve Kean, take note, that's how a real manager speaks.

[booth]

"Ultimately I'm fully aware that it's not good enough - doing okay, playing well, not winning - you know, that becomes nonsense in the end. You've got to get points." - Mick McCarthy on Sky Sports just now. Steve Kean, take note, that's how a real manager speaks.

Yes but don't forget it's not just about points.

The squad is worth substantially more than when he took over.

Kean has stated that this is just as important as points on the table.

And that my friends is the mentality of the man in control of your football clubs destiny.

[philipl]

Whenever I see Wolves it reminds how terrible Kean is to have allowed us to lose at home against that shower.

[Quinn the Eskimo]

Ftao Quinn: - We did not all wish for Allardyce to be removed.

For the record, neither did I. My season ticket is inches from the dugout though and I can tell you that Allardyce certainly did not have the fans support. Towards the end of his tenure, almost every formation and substitution was met with groans and vocal dissent. Allardyce' stock amongst Blackburn fans has grown immensly since his sacking

Also for the record, I was very concerned by the Rao takeover and at the time did not support the appointement of Steve Kean. As I said in my previous post, the results at the moment are clearly not good enough, but we are not by any means hopeless. I have been at the last 4 games, as I sure many of you have been, and we have have been unlucky in each one, we have looked like a good side.

I do happen to think though that the "fans" who focus their energies on flying planes over the ground, negative chanting and carrying banners to ewood are at least partly to blame for the sorry position we find ourselves in. Chants like "How ###### must you be, were winning away" as evidenced at Norwich, cannot be anything other than unhelpful to the team.

Also to say Kean was to blame for the Norwich comeback is simply absurd. As anybody else who was at the game will confirm, we controlled possession for the last 10 minutes of the game and were desperately unlucky with a huge deflection and a ridiculous penalty. Some fans have such a downer on Kean that they simply refuse to acknowledge the facts

[Mattyblue]

For the record, neither did I. My season ticket is inches from the dugout though and I can tell you that Allardyce certainly did not have the fans support. Towards the end of his tenure, almost every formation and substitution was met with groans and vocal dissent. Allardyce' stock amongst Blackburn fans has grown immensly since his sacking

By some, stop speaking for all the fanbase, I know many who rated Allardyce very highly.

[Athlete]

Dont think we've been unlucky in all of Keans 32 prem games in charge...his record speaks for itself

Dont think we've been unlucky in all of Keans 32 prem games in charge...his record speaks for itself

[chaddyrovers]

By some, stop speaking for all the fanbase, I know many who rated Allardyce very highly.

second that. I was a massive fan of Allardyce. He did a very good job at the club. deserve the credit for what he achieve at rovers.

[booth]

Also to say Kean was to blame for the Norwich comeback is simply absurd. As anybody else who was at the game will confirm, we controlled possession for the last 10 minutes of the game and were desperately unlucky with a huge deflection and a ridiculous penalty. Some fans have such a downer on Kean that they simply refuse to acknowledge the facts

His terrible management in the last ten minutes contributed to us losing points, sorry but that's acknowledged by even those media folks who have stuck up for him. It was reported extensively in the newspaper reports. Merson on Sky Sports even took a moment to say... "I think Steve Kean will be sat on the team coach thinking that he would have handled the subs differently because Norwich weren't even in it till he took off his main outlets for attack."

But we'll agree to disagree hopefully.

Moving on, do you believe that the reason we are bottom of the league, and us only winning 6 games out of 32 is bad luck?

Our home form has gone from amazing to terrible with the change of manager. Again is this just simply bad luck?

If the Norwich game was a one off then he would have been let off, but you know what, perhaps some of us can cast our memories back further than the last couple of games.

[Quinn the Eskimo]

By some, stop speaking for all the fanbase, I know many who rated Allardyce very highly.

This is ironic Matty given the topic. The "fans" marching from the pub to the game against Kean do not speak for me.

Stop getting so touchy and pedantic about the use of some words, Im very aware that you and some others rated Allardyce, Im simply making the point that many many others did not.

[Mattyblue]

This is ironic Matty given the topic. The "fans" marching from the pub to the game against Kean do not speak for me.

Stop getting so touchy and pedantic about the use of some words, Im very aware that you and some others rated Allardyce, Im simply making the point that many many others did not.

I agree that the marchers do not speak for everybody, they were marching for what THEY thought was the greater good.

And as for Allardyce, there was always grumbles, his style of football, his personality ensured that, but there was NEVER a clamour for his removal, and why the hell should there have been?

[Quinn the Eskimo]

His terrible management in the last ten minutes contributed to us losing points, sorry but that's acknowledged by even those media folks who have stuck up for him. It was reported extensively in the newspaper reports. Merson on Sky Sports even took a moment to say... "I think Steve Kean will be sat on the team coach thinking that he would have handled the subs differently because Norwich weren't even in it till he took off his main outlets for attack."

But we'll agree to disagree hopefully.

Moving on, do you believe that the reason we are bottom of the league, and us only winning 6 games out of 32 is bad luck?

Our home form has gone from amazing to terrible with the change of manager. Again is this just simply bad luck?

If the Norwich game was a one off then he would have been let off, but you know what, perhaps some of us can cast our memories back further than the last couple of games.

No I dont, Kean is certainly culpable. I think the results at the moment are poor, I do however sense a huge improvement and wish that as a fan base we could start being supportive.

[booth]

This is ironic Matty given the topic. The "fans" marching from the pub to the game against Kean do not speak for me.

Stop getting so touchy and pedantic about the use of some words, Im very aware that you and some others rated Allardyce, Im simply making the point that many many others did not.

I don't remember many planes going over Ewood calling for his removal as manager.

Nor protests.

Nor marches.

Nor banners.

But if you're able to ignore all the facts and truth then you'll never be wrong I suppose.

[booth]

No I dont, Kean is certainly culpable. I think the results at the moment are poor, I do however sense a huge improvement and wish that as a fan base we could start being supportive.

Well I don't think that the fans have stopped being supportive. Even the protestors have got behind the team and clapped them from beginning to end. There's never been any gripe with the players, just the manager (another thing that Kean has been desperately trying to contrive is that the protestors are getting on the teams back - which is shameful for a manager to do). And anyway, I don't think the protests have anything to do with it and if anything we've been playing better since they began.

Obviously you disagree that the fans are being supportive, but do you really think if the fans were 100x more supportive then Kean would get out of this hole, considering the facts and stats, not that we passed the ball better in the last few games.

I personally think if he wins the next game we're still going down as he can't string two results together.

[Quinn the Eskimo]

I don't remember many planes going over Ewood calling for his removal as manager.

Nor protests.

Nor marches.

Nor banners.

But if you're able to ignore all the facts and truth then you'll never be wrong I suppose.

I dont understand what point you are trying to make here?

Has anybody suggested that there were planes, protests, marchers or banners about Allardyce?

Without wantiung to labour a point that really does not need discussing in any more detail. Allardyce clearly had many mockers during his time at Blackburn, just a brief look back over the history of this message board will confirm that. I have never ever suggested they were comparable to the protests against Kean, beacuse they werent.

It suits alot of peoples arguments now in saying that they were apparently Allardyce's number 1 fan during his time in charge. The fact is they were not.

[Mattyblue]

I was

[brian_gallagher85]

If fully grown men earning thousands every week can't handle a little "grief" from those paying hundreds a season to follow their team then I'm sorry but they're in the wrong game. How about they try living pay cheque to pay cheque and start having to deal with negative equity, etc for a few weeks then we'll talk.

I fully appreciate that they are only human, but my god it's about time some of them grew some balls and started acting like men not mice.

[Bluefudge]

You have to remember these 6 foot odd hulks of muscle are delicate little flowers who will wilt at the first sign of criticisum.

On a side note, I'm watching the game ATM on sky sports, and players keep making runs from midfield and getting on the end of passes!!!!! Is this allowed as I've not seen it for a while ?

[Mattyblue]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/england/2011/11/06/under-fire-blackburn-boss-steve-kean-insists-fans-supporting-him-will-protest-against-protestors-86908-23542319/

DIVIDE & CONQUER.

[booth]

I dont understand what point you are trying to make here?

Has anybody suggested that there were planes, protests, marchers or banners about Allardyce?

Without wantiung to labour a point that really does not need discussing in any more detail. Allardyce clearly had many mockers during his time at Blackburn, just a brief look back over the history of this message board will confirm that. I have never ever suggested they were comparable to the protests against Kean, beacuse they werent.

It suits alot of peoples arguments now in saying that they were apparently Allardyce's number 1 fan during his time in charge. The fact is they were not.

No you said that Allardyce certainly did not have the fans support, as if you were trying to say he was hated like Kean is. Which is completely untrue.

For the record, neither did I. My season ticket is inches from the dugout though and I can tell you that Allardyce certainly did not have the fans support. Towards the end of his tenure, almost every formation and substitution was met with groans and vocal dissent. Allardyce' stock amongst Blackburn fans has grown immensly since his sacking

Your words.

My point was that there were no planes, protests or banners in Allardyce's reign so despite your claiming that he certainly didn't have the fans support, he obviously had a heck of a lot more support than Kean.

I think his stock has risen because they now appreciate the job he was doing for the club after seeing almost a year of managerial ineptitude. The phrase "be careful what you wish for" springs to mind.

[Bluefudge]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/england/2011/11/06/under-fire-blackburn-boss-steve-kean-insists-fans-supporting-him-will-protest-against-protestors-86908-23542319/

DIVIDE & CONQUER.

Like I said last week, think I'm living in a weird dream.

My eyes and ears are seeing things, but everyone else is hearing and seeing something else ?

I've not come across one person who has enjoyed watching us not win week in week out for month after month?

[booth]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/england/2011/11/06/under-fire-blackburn-boss-steve-kean-insists-fans-supporting-him-will-protest-against-protestors-86908-23542319/

DIVIDE & CONQUER.

Unprofessional and disgusting. If that's not inciting crowd violence and confrontation I don't know what is.

"It's coming. The signs are positive. Fans who are behind me and the club are going to protest against the protestors." - Steve Kean

The FA should know about this. I just can't believe what I'm reading and hearing when he does an interview.