[Archived] Steve Kean Thread (Poll reset after Stoke game)

[glen9mullan]

Bruce sacked, to be announced tomorrow. O'Neill to take over. A lot of people who bet on Kean being the first to leave will be very disappointed

I'm not surprised tbh, but sincerly hope if Kean follows him, that Bruce is not the replacement for him. Although listening to Bruce's comments after Sams dismissal I don't think he would work for Venkys anyway

[chaddyrovers]

I'm not surprised tbh, but sincerly hope if Kean follows him, that Bruce is not the replacement for him. Although listening to Bruce's comments after Sams dismissal I don't think he would work for Venkys anyway

just need venkys to sack kean now!!!

[Steve Moss]

He's not good enough for the SPL, he'd fit right into the MLS though.

Perhaps, but I don't think he'd find the USA a comfortable environment. He'd find the fans' free speech rights an impediment to his managerial style.

[beastlove]

Kean will go back to coaching. He was a very very good coach... But not a good manager.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Found that quote amusing DMTP.

Yes you gave him the Wigan match - and every game until and including the Wigan match. Looks like you've seen what almost everyone else has been seeing for almost a year now.

Still, better late than never, but very probably too late. Much too late.

I still find lots of the stuff written on here about Kean extremely distasteful. I thought we had turned the corner - the main recent reason being Clement and the difference in team pattern that many had seen . I also thought it unlikely that they would sack him soon enough - and it would be better for Kean to be a success rather than drag Rovers down (IMO the lesser of the two evils). I don't like the guy - but having said that I don't like Fergie.

"what almost everyone else has been seeing for almost a year now" - lol - everyone else ! Lots of people thought we finished last season on a relative high with some good performances - and that he should be given the opportunity to show he was more than he appeared. The people that thought he should be sacked where people that believed the rumours - that have never been proved and some have actually been disproved.

Your much too late comment - what rubbish - because of the inability of the teams above us we still have a reasonable chance of avoiding relegation with a decent manager and the right funds in January.

To be honest this sort of self righteous - "I told you so" - I find absolute b******s.

Kean will go back to coaching. He was a very very good coach... But not a good manager.

And this point is missed - look at many individual performances (especially younger players) and you can see the positive impact he has had on their games - where he is lacking is his ability to create a team pattern. We play like a team of individuals - which shows both his strength and his weakness.

[mark1875]

To be honest this sort of self righteous - "I told you so" - I find absolute b******s.

now imagine that extra amount of self righteous b******s which would have been directed at the protesters had Steve Kean gone on and beaten the teams people said he would beat!!!

most of us knew that was never going to happen though!

[den]

Your much too late comment - what rubbish - because of the inability of the teams above us we still have a reasonable chance of avoiding relegation with a decent manager and the right funds in January.

"Inability of the teams above us"! That's every team in the league.

How many times does it need saying, look at rovers remaining fixtures and tell me how we're going to get another 33 points, from 25 remaining games of which we're very likely to lose a minimum of 8?

To be honest this sort of self righteous - "I told you so" - I find absolute b******s.

It's understandable that you feel that way. However, plenty of people told you so. That's just a fact.

The people that thought he should be sacked where people that believed the rumours - that have never been proved and some have actually been disproved.

So nothing to do with crap performances and the worst run of results in our PL history?

[Bennisfromheaven]

I would love for Kean to be gone but what i keep thinking is that we are beyond saving.

Not because it is too late or we are bottom of the league but simply for the fact that we have nobody at the club who knows how to unify the club & playing staff!!

John Williams had experience of hiring managers to save us, he understood the criteria required but who have we got now that can do this??

Im very pessimistic about our future right now!!

[Emge]

Although I thinks its a shame that Bruce apparently is being sacked tomorrow, lets hope Venkys think its easier to sack Kean as he wont be "the first manager to get sacked in the season".

Common, Venkys, PLEASE wake up!!!

[bob fleming]

Just had a beer with my mate who is a bookie, well works there, the owners were mentioning the last time a team conceded three goals exactly in three games!!!

I wonder??

Were they perhaps using the same tones as they were when discussing Pakistan's repeated no balls at Lords (prior to the prosecutions) or are the bells ringing in my head just because I'm tired?

[EwoodDawn]

Just had a beer with my mate who is a bookie, well works there, the owners were mentioning the last time a team conceded three goals exactly in three games!!!

I wonder??

Were they perhaps using the same tones as they were when discussing Pakistan's repeated no balls at Lords (prior to the prosecutions) or are the bells ringing in my head just because I'm tired?

[BuckyRover]

Although I thinks its a shame that Bruce apparently is being sacked tomorrow, lets hope Venkys think its easier to sack Kean as he wont be "the first manager to get sacked in the season".

Common, Venkys, PLEASE wake up!!!

I thought that as well. I'm certainly clutching at straws

[Baz]

33 people still voting for "give him more time", any of those still standing behind that belief?

[47er]

Independent and Telegraph make interesting reading---"genuinely loathed" says Independent. How true!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/blackburn-rovers/8919081/Blackburn-Rovers-manager-Steve-Kean-prepared-to-front-up-to-angry-fans-after-defeat-by-Stoke-City.html?

[RoyRover]

The Independent seem to be picking up on the fact that Kean is living on a different planet with all his big talk and ridiculous statements.

Link.

[rovgers]

I was wondering how Kean compares to some of our recent managers.

I've worked out their win percentage and because I realised that some of our past managers where in charge when 2 points were awarded for a win, so I worked out the percentage of available points each manager won.

Manager Win% Points %

H.Kendall * 46.59 61.93181818

K.Dalglish 52.55 60.37414966

G.Lee * 41.18 55.88235294

J.Smith * 35.96 53.94736842

M.Hughes 43.62 51.95035461

G.Souness 40.57 50.1572327

D.MackayX 39.23 48.41954023

B.SaxtonX 36.58 48.10298103

T.Parkes 35.59 45.76271186

R.HodgsonX 35.48 45.16129032

R.HarfordX 37.51 44.27083333

S.AllardyceX 34.88 43.79844961

B.KiddX 27.27 37.87878788

P.InceX 28.57 34.92063492

J.Iley*X 12.51 31.25

S.Kean 17.65 28.43137255

* managed when 2pts=win

So out of the last 16 managers Kean as won the lowest percentage of possible points available and has the second lowest win percentage. Also interesting to note that all the ones marked X have been sacked!

Even Iley won a bigger percent of points!!

[philipl]

Crikey, Kean has to be bad to be below Jim Iley!

EHD spits the Kean

[jim mk2]

Releasing EH Diouf - another crass error by the manager.

[John]

The Express is pretty critical on Kean today - just read the Independent article, most of the written media are now finally seeeing through thr bull he talks. However, more importantly for us, it could already be too late.

[Audax]

Perhaps, but I don't think he'd find the USA a comfortable environment. He'd find the fans' free speech rights an impediment to his managerial style.

Over at the Daily Mail Message boards, some guy posts who calls himself something like UKUSACoach , represents himself as an expert, maybe, maybe not, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/chat/f-2065/index.html , he says there are hundreds of British managers in the USA, that might be an exagerration but I know some team like the Houston Dynamo is managed by a Brit. I'm not positive if SK would be able to take his kind of football to the States to be honest. I'm not too familiar with all of the coaches but a few seem alright, Seattle has some German, etc. Now, of course, in general you could not plop them into the top 3 leagues in England and expect great results I'd say.

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To other things, it sounds like Bruce is a goner, occasionally I will look at one Sunderland site and it sounds like it. In spite of this, DM is saying Bruce will get two more games: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2066930/Steve-Bruce-games-left-save-Sunderland-job.html They should not have let Bent go.

The current Blackburn scenario is a bit surreal, it will be talked about for years to come I think in the way Leeds is spoken about today and maybe even some AFC Wimbledon. It's baffling. Any other manager would be on the out.

[Audax]

Managers get bad schtick, look at McClaren, I'd never say those things, Steve Bruce, other names I know of too. This is the odd case though where some who is largely dooming a club with a proud football tradition is sealing its fate.

I read earlier at some website from a Wolves fan writing in 2009, how much he enjoyed Ewood Park and was treated well by the fans and then, he made a joke that he didn't enjoy the 2 games in which together 8 goals were scored against them to their 1, something along these lines. What a change from those days? Huh?

[Kamy100]

Wowzers, Steve Bruce is as unpopular as Steve Kean is on here on the Sunderland forum below:

Sunderland Forum

[Steve Moss]

Over at the Daily Mail Message boards, some guy posts who calls himself something like UKUSACoach , represents himself as an expert, maybe, maybe not, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/chat/f-2065/index.html , he says there are hundreds of British managers in the USA, that might be an exagerration but I know some team like the Houston Dynamo is managed by a Brit. I'm not positive if SK would be able to take his kind of football to the States to be honest. I'm not too familiar with all of the coaches but a few seem alright, Seattle has some German, etc. Now, of course, in general you could not plop them into the top 3 leagues in England and expect great results I'd say.

The Colorado Rapids had Gary Smith (English) as their head coach, who won the league last year.

Sigi Schmid coaches Seattle and was born in Germany but moved here as a child and became an American citizen.

Ditto Houston's coach, Kinnear, except he was born in Scotland before becoming an American. Stuart Holden seems to be following a similar career path, complete with Bolton connection.

The complete list is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_MLS_coaches

I don't think Kean would fit in. The MLS is not the best league in the world but it is improving and I doubt it would have any patience with Kean's BS.

As a personal aside, UK International provides British (though very young) coaches to AYSO regions upon request (usually for week long camps). My children have attended twice and both times had a great time. I brought UK International into my region when I was put in charge (via deceit and lies, I might add- the board lied to me about the time commitment) and have not regretted it.

[Kelbo]

The Colorado Rapids had Gary Smith (English) as their head coach, who won the league last year.

Sigi Schmid coaches Seattle and was born in Germany but moved here as a child and became an American citizen.

Ditto Houston's coach, Kinnear, except he was born in Scotland before becoming an American. Stuart Holden seems to be following a similar career path, complete with Bolton connection.

The complete list is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_MLS_coaches

I don't think Kean would fit in. The MLS is not the best league in the world but it is improving and I doubt it would have any patience with Kean's BS.

As a personal aside, UK International provides British (though very young) coaches to AYSO regions upon request (usually for week long camps). My children have attended twice and both times had a great time. I brought UK International into my region when I was put in charge (via deceit and lies, I might add- the board lied to me about the time commitment) and have not regretted it.

I thought Steve Nicol (ex Liverpool) was over there and I knew McEnespie ex Celtic and Fulham was at New Orleans before moving on to the MLS, Lots of English coaches at the Universitys though, know quite a few!!

[Mattyblue]

One of my old team mate is out in Dallas, married an American lass and is having the time of his life by the sound of it.

He was in the same school team as Paul Gallagher, I always thought he was the better player, but those are the breaks.