Academy & U21s

[RV Blue]

1 hour ago, JoeH said:

I think the amount of headers you win can be objectively assessed by your Aerial Win %.

No it’s absolutely not objective. Some players won’t challenge for a header they know they have little chance of winning.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, RV Blue said:

No it’s absolutely not objective. Some players won’t challenge for a header they know they have little chance of winning.

Thus being sh*te in the air... 

[roversfan99]

That would surely not necessarily mean that.

Also, some players might lean into someone who is a clear favourite in the air to gain an advantage by reducing/removing his ability to win that header cleanly.

[Guest]

I don't think Juke beat Ash in the air based on anything other than physicality to be honest. He just bullied him. To be expected against a 17 year old.

[rigger]

45 minutes ago, RV Blue said:

No it’s absolutely not objective. Some players won’t challenge for a header they know they have little chance of winning.

Those players should never be allowed to play at center-half.

[1864roverite]

Young Cirino looks the next big prospect alongside Horlock and Leonard

[rigger]

14 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

Young Cirino looks the next big prospect alongside Horlock and Leonard

Mola looks better than Cirino at left wing/full -back

[Exiled_Rover]

5 hours ago, RV Blue said:

Are people seriously saying that Phillips is ready right now? It’s been obvious to me after seeing him a couple of times that he’s just not. We’ve clearly promised him first team minutes to sign the contract, which is why he’s being played at times now when he wouldn’t be on merit alone. Whether the long term gains outweigh the short term pain of this approach remains to be seen, if he eventually turns into a £30m player it will probably have been worth us conceding a few poor goals early on in his career.

He's rightly 5th choice - he'll get the odd game here and there and a few substitute appearances whilst training with the first team.

That'll do wonders for his development - personally I'd have him shadowing Ayala.

[1864roverite]

4 hours ago, rigger said:

Mola looks better than Cirino at left wing/full -back

That is your view mine is different ! I like the look and speed of LC very fleet of foot low centre of gravity and good with the ball also has the ability to pass the ball

[rigger]

2 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

That is your view mine is different ! I like the look and speed of LC very fleet of foot low centre of gravity and good with the ball also has the ability to pass the ball

Just can't defend.

[Sparks Rover]

31 minutes ago, rigger said:

Just can't defend.

Never was a defender in his youth either...forward player really.

[Sparks Rover]

4 hours ago, rigger said:

Mola looks better than Cirino at left wing/full -back

Cirino is now 20, he needs a stint out on loan I think.  Bit of mens football for a bit see if he can cement a place in a national league side or similar

[rigger]

45 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

That is your view mine is different ! I like the look and speed of LC very fleet of foot low centre of gravity and good with the ball also has the ability to pass the ball

In my opinion this would be the ranking of our left wing/full-backs : Pickering, Mola, Batty, Edun, Cirano, Gent. I don't think the last three will make it at Championship level. 

[Guest]

50 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

Cirino is now 20, he needs a stint out on loan I think.  Bit of mens football for a bit see if he can cement a place in a national league side or similar

Yeah I think if he goes it'll be VNL or VNLN. Not a huge range of clubs in the VNL in the local area though - Altrincham and Oldham the only two and I can't see him breaking in there. Of course he could go further afield but not always the best option for a first time loan.

[Sparks Rover]

1 hour ago, JoeH said:

Yeah I think if he goes it'll be VNL or VNLN. Not a huge range of clubs in the VNL in the local area though - Altrincham and Oldham the only two and I can't see him breaking in there. Of course he could go further afield but not always the best option for a first time loan.

A lad i know he's out at Chester from PNE at moment, very good left back.  Being out on loan has done him world of good, first choice at Chester gives him a good base to challenge next season for a first team place....Cirino needs that before we can throw him into proper football.

[bounceFM]

Hey. Quick question: Does anyone know whether Ashley Phillips and Harry Leonard is born in Lancashire? Can't find anything online. 

I'm doing a FIFA career with Blackburn where I only sign players from Lancashire.

[RV Blue]

18 hours ago, JoeH said:

Thus being sh*te in the air... 

I think you have misunderstood, which is worrying for someone who supposedly works in the industry, though not surprising. The player that wouldn’t challenge for headers they know that they have little chance of winning would have an artificially inflated win % that doesn’t accurately reflect their aerial prowess. Win % on its own is absolutely not objective until you fully understand the context behind it.

Edited October 26, 2022 by RV Blue

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Gallagher is ok on uncontested headers. Contested headers can go anywhere.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, RV Blue said:

which is worrying for someone who supposedly works in the industry

I didn't realise the veracity of my position was so questionable.

 

I don't know what more proof would be needed.

 

3 hours ago, RV Blue said:

The player that wouldn’t challenge for headers they know that they have little chance of winning would have an artificially inflated win % that doesn’t accurately reflect their aerial prowess. Win % on its own is absolutely not objective until you fully understand the context behind it.

And yes, okay, the two metrics Aerial Duel % and Aerial Duels (total) would always be paired together, but that was a given.

[RV Blue]

22 hours ago, JoeH said:

I didn't realise the veracity of my position was so questionable.

 

I don't know what more proof would be needed.

 

And yes, okay, the two metrics Aerial Duel % and Aerial Duels (total) would always be paired together, but that was a given.

Glad we both agree that win % on its own is not objective. Congrats on the new role Joe, if you need any further help or advice you know where I am.

[Guest]

12 hours ago, RV Blue said:

Glad we both agree that win % on its own is not objective. Congrats on the new role Joe, if you need any further help or advice you know where I am.

Baffled by the animosity!

[JacknOry]

Not much animosity in that to be fair. Just agree or disagree. I find more arrogance in your replies than animosity in his. 

[rigger]

At half-time all the metrix show that Fulham are giving us a tanking. The score is still 1-0 so we are not out of it.

[rigger]

Now 3-0, we are out of it. But at least Brum are beating QPR.

[rigger]

Finishes 3-0, ahh well, just not good enough. Move on.