Academy & U21s

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I don’t rate Vale either. What does he bring to the party ? He’s not quick, he’s not tricky, he’s not physical, he’s not good in the air. What is he good at ?

I asked my son what he thought about Vale -  after about a minute deep in thought he said - “ Well, he’s better than Hirst “ . I rest my case.

Made some good runs in between the centre backs/full backs, drop down to allow Gallagher for him one on one with keeper. 

He did fine yesterday, did you not see the game yesterday?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Made some good runs in between the centre backs/full backs, drop down to allow Gallagher for him one on one with keeper. 

He did fine yesterday, did you not see the game yesterday?

Unfortunately I watched all of it. Vale is out of his depth at this level. He needs to go out on loan to somewhere like Rochdale.

[chaddyrovers]

8 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Unfortunately I watched all of it. Vale is out of his depth at this level. He needs to go out on loan to somewhere like Rochdale.

Well I don't think he is out of his depth at all and I wouldn't loan him out. That my opinion

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Made some good runs in between the centre backs/full backs, drop down to allow Gallagher for him one on one with keeper. 

He did fine yesterday, did you not see the game yesterday?

You are really clutching at straws. He was as effective as a traffic cone.

[chaddyrovers]

33 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You are really clutching at straws. He was as effective as a traffic cone.

Like I said before I'm not getting into pointless debate about Jack Vale. I done before, its goes nowhere. We won't ever agree and no point debating with you about it

Edited January 15, 2023 by chaddyrovers

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Unfortunately I watched all of it. Vale is out of his depth at this level. He needs to go out on loan to somewhere like Rochdale.

Hes been there before but barely played. Then went to Halifax and could only score 1.

[Sparks Rover]

32 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Like I said before I'm not getting into pointless debate about Jack Vale. I done before, its goes nowhere. We won't ever agree and no point debating with you about it

You were adamant Hirst was a good un, you don't have a good record.

[joey_big_nose]

Jack Vale is a likeable busy player, whose tidy enough and works hard.... but his role we need players who score goals and worry centre backs. He just doesn't do that. He was supposed to be our centre forward on Saturday... how many times did he actually get in the box or get on the end of through balls? He caused the Rotherham defence zero worries...

We need more dangerous forwards on the pitch.

[Torgeir]

4 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I don’t rate Vale either. What does he bring to the party ? He’s not quick, he’s not tricky, he’s not physical, he’s not good in the air. What is he good at ?

I asked my son what he thought about Vale -  after about a minute deep in thought he said - “ Well, he’s better than Hirst “ . I rest my case.

Vale is league one at best.

[SuperBrfc]

1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:

You were adamant Hirst was a good un, you don't have a good record.

Butterworth and McBride too. Exact same rhetoric with those two. Vale will likely end up at a similar level to them.

[joey_big_nose]

10 hours ago, Torgeir said:

Vale is league one at best.

Yeah, with strikers it really does come down to you dropping levels till you start scoring...

For Vale his only real route to making it at this level I can see is to become a poacher. He needs to figure out how to find space in the box. Hes way way too deep to do that, partly as we play way too deep to help him do that. He doesn't have the pace to play on the counter. 

[Mattyblue]

Since it’s been a proper academy from the mid to late 90s (James Beattie springs to mind as just before) have we ever produced a decent striker out of it?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

21 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Since it’s been a proper academy from the mid to late 90s (James Beattie springs to mind as just before) have we ever produced a decent striker out of it?

No, but playing up front is the hardest position on the pitch. That’s why good strikers sell for mega bucks.

[Mattyblue]

Of course, but to not even produce one that has been a fixture in our first team in 25 years? Bit of a poor do for a Cat 1 academy…

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

8 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Of course, but to not even produce one that has been a fixture in our first team in 25 years? Bit of a poor do for a Cat 1 academy…

We’ve not even been near to one have we ? Yet centre halves have been  coming out of our ears.

[Sweaty Gussets]

Peter Thorne had a good career in the lower leagues. 

Paul Gallagher could be classed as 'decent', played most of his career in the Championship and bits in the Prem. 

And the guy who got done bombed out of the club on a disciplinary had a good career - scouser who played for Stoke - cant remember his name. 

[Torgeir]

James Beattie, who we practically gave away, but 'for 25 years' is still a valid point.

[Mattyblue]

I would class Peter Thorne as pre academy as he was around the squad from the early 90s, but generally we are scraping the barrel here. We have had nothing at all for 20 years.

Very noticeable dearth of talent in that position compared to everywhere else.
 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

Peter Thorne had a good career in the lower leagues. 

Paul Gallagher could be classed as 'decent', played most of his career in the Championship and bits in the Prem. 

And the guy who got done bombed out of the club on a disciplinary had a good career - scouser who played for Stoke - cant remember his name. 

Jonathon Walters. There was that lad “ James Thomas “ ? Who had a couple of games.

[Sweaty Gussets]

1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

I would class Peter Thorne as pre academy as he was around the squad from the early 90s, but generally we are scraping the barrel here. 

Very noticeable dearth of talent in that position compared to everywhere else.
 

Not disagreeing, just trying to remember who was half decent. 

[Sweaty Gussets]

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Jonathon Walters. There was that lad “ James Thomas “ ? Who had a couple of games.

Think he went to Swansea then disappeared. 

[Sparks Rover]

31 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

James Beattie, who we practically gave away, but 'for 25 years' is still a valid point.

Technically a bit of a donkey too....

[rigger]

Most successful teams buy in their center forwards. There will be examples against this, but not that many.

[briansol]

40 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

Peter Thorne had a good career in the lower leagues. 

Paul Gallagher could be classed as 'decent', played most of his career in the Championship and bits in the Prem. 

And the guy who got done bombed out of the club on a disciplinary had a good career - scouser who played for Stoke - cant remember his name. 

Matt Derbyshire and Joe Garner