Academy & U21s

[roversfan99]

Im not convinced that barring injuries that Phillips would have been made first choice either by Tomasson or Eustace even if the more senior options had dips in form.

I suppose we will never know.

[Upside Down]

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Im not convinced that barring injuries that Phillips would have been made first choice either by Tomasson or Eustace even if the more senior options had dips in form.

I suppose we will never know.

But we did have shit loads of injuries.

Because we're so shit in every area of the pitch this is the place for young players to get a shot at regular first team football.

[Rogerb]

14 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Im not convinced that barring injuries that Phillips would have been made first choice either by Tomasson or Eustace even if the more senior options had dips in form.

I suppose we will never know.

Depends upon how he performed given the opportunity. The fact he was young player of the season for Plymouth based on half a season for a side finishing in a relatively similar position suggests performance was good. If he had stayed Mcfadzen may not have been signed. All ifs and buts.

[bluebruce]

https://www.wearepalace.uk/news/after-adam-wharton-crystal-palace-now-want-to-pinch-another-top-talent-from-blackburn-rovers/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Igor Tyjon allegedly attracting suitors - Palace, Manure and Brighton.

It would be beyond frustrating if him and Finneran got pinched for nowt. IMO, protections for clubs when players are aged 15 or over need to improve.

[Tom]

True - but didn’t we get Tyjon for next to nothing?

We are middle of the food chain snatching from those below but having our lunch eaten from those above!

[bluebruce]

35 minutes ago, Tom said:

True - but didn’t we get Tyjon for next to nothing?

We are middle of the food chain snatching from those below but having our lunch eaten from those above!

Yep but it won't have benefited us in the slightest to scout and train him if we lose him for nothing.

I can understand kids being able to move around for nothing when they're 14 and under, they need the freedom to do so and their potential is much less certain. Once they're 15 and 16 they can be prodigies on the verge of, or even having made, first team breakthroughs and then they get snapped up for nothing just when the fanbase is getting excited.

It was Rochdale wasn't it? They'll get better money relative to their level for future moves than we will (that thing, can't remember what it's called, where you get a tiny portion of future fees if you trained them between certain ages). Think he was 15 when we took him, so what I'm suggesting would have also benefited them a bit more.

It's almost a disincentive to move these kids along quickly at those ages because you enhance the chances they attract bigger fish. Also, frustrating that when we take a good player from lower down the food chain and they quickly move on, we get squat, but when Palace do it, they'll reap a quick 40 million ish profit. I'm not saying poachings from above aren't natural, of course they are, just the protections at that specific age range are poor and can see clubs lose major prodigies for nothing (or enforced fees well below market a la Phillips, due to the negotiating power the rules allowed his agent...who in fairness could have also had him leave for far less a year earlier). IMO, the higher you are in the pyramid, the more you should have to pay for players in that age bracket if the owning club has made a contract offer. The academy category the owning club operates should also come into it, a cat 1 isn't cheap. It just needs reviewing and protections adding is my point, but of course the Prem love to be able to harvest the best for nothing. If I remember right they're the ones who brought in changes making the poaching easier some years back.

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, bluebruce said:

https://www.wearepalace.uk/news/after-adam-wharton-crystal-palace-now-want-to-pinch-another-top-talent-from-blackburn-rovers/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Igor Tyjon allegedly attracting suitors - Palace, Manure and Brighton.

It would be beyond frustrating if him and Finneran got pinched for nowt. IMO, protections for clubs when players are aged 15 or over need to improve.

It's genuinely pointless investing so much into an Academy if the crown jewels are so easily plucked. The whole football pyramid is rotten to it's very core.

[wilsdenrover]

3 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

It's genuinely pointless investing so much into an Academy if the crown jewels are so easily plucked. The whole football pyramid is rotten to it's very core.

The fact the amount of compensation is part of a Premier League initiative says it all.

[simongarnerisgod]

hopefully those that guide them will realise that it`s better for both of them to stay here and make your debut,get first team football than disapear into a premier league system where you will most likely not play and end up on loan at a club lower than where you came from

[bluebruce]

43 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

It's genuinely pointless investing so much into an Academy if the crown jewels are so easily plucked. The whole football pyramid is rotten to it's very core.

I can't go quite as far as to say it's pointless. Not when so many of our first team are academy graduates and in the last year we have made enough profit from some of their sales to fund the academy for over 10 years. But it's massively frustrating when we could have had double that in the last few years if the rules were different (and on occasion if the club had more planning or spine). If we do lose these latest two for bugger all, I'll understand the sentiment of it being pointless, but in a literal sense it's still not true.

It would also leave us with nobody to get heavily excited about coming through. Best bets would be Gilsenan, who we've already seen a bit of, couldn't break through when he was on fire and got injured I believe near the end of the season. Whitehall, who is very injury prone so will need some luck to make it. Gent, who has come on well but it would be surprising if he ends up being more than an average Championship LB at best. And Batty, who once had serious promise but seems to have gone off the boil. I guess Duru might be able to push on to be a squad player.

Decent things have been said about one or two others, but those seem the most promising, and none of them on close to the hype level we had for Wharton, Phillips and Finneran. Our most promising crop for many a year could end up all elsewhere in very little time (the golden portion of them I mean). Whitehall could be a hell of a player if he somehow stays fit though, he's seriously impressed me whenever I've seen him. And you never know who is going to rapidly improve.

Seems to be better they stay under the radar until they've been secured on a proper pro deal anyway.

Edited May 29 by bluebruce

[Rover8T4]

Been asking questions all week on Finneran. Scholar night was last Friday and not one person has confirmed or posted if he turned up or not. 

[bluebruce]

On 29/05/2024 at 19:41, Rover8T4 said:

Been asking questions all week on Finneran. Scholar night was last Friday and not one person has confirmed or posted if he turned up or not. 

The press are quite heavily saying he's off to Newcastle.

[Forever Blue]

Someone told JDTs son has signed a 2 year scholar deal with Rovers. No idea if true? 

Edited June 3 by Forever Blue

[Rover8T4]

20 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Someone told JDTs son has signed a 2 year scholar deal with Rovers. No idea if true? 

Been over a week now and still no word on the scholars. There was a mention the other day about the nippers but that's it. Maybe they are waiting for this Irish lad to sign to replace the outgoing Finneran. In regards to JDTs son surely he would of been at scholars night and spotted by someone. 

Edited June 3 by Rover8T4

[Tugayisgod]

JDTs son signs on at Rovers academy

 

[rob_of_the_rovers]

Tyjon has signed a two year scholarship 

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2024/july/02/tyjon-signs-as-a-scholar/

Edited July 3 by rob_of_the_rovers

[bluebruce]

3 hours ago, rob_of_the_rovers said:

Tyjon has signed a two year scholarship 

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2024/july/02/tyjon-signs-as-a-scholar/

That's a relief, although it also probably means kicking the can down the road to next summer and getting a bit more compensation than we would have if he does leave instead of signing his first professional contract.

Still, better than it not happening. Just hate this system.

Still no news on Finneran.

[MarkBRFC]

4 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Still no news on Finneran.

The fact he wasn't in the article tells me he has gone.

[KentExile]

5 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

That's a relief, although it also probably means kicking the can down the road to next summer and getting a bit more compensation than we would have if he does leave instead of signing his first professional contract.

Still, better than it not happening. Just hate this system.

Still no news on Finneran.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/24426947.newcastle-united-hope-sign-rory-finneran-blackburn-rovers/

[bluebruce]

9 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

The fact he wasn't in the article tells me he has gone.

I thought the same of Tyjon until a couple of days ago. I don't see why a rovers.co.uk article on Tyjon would make any mention of Finneran.

8 minutes ago, KentExile said:

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/24426947.newcastle-united-hope-sign-rory-finneran-blackburn-rovers/

That's more worrying, as although I've mentioned Newcastle's interest before, and that article is just saying the same stuff really, it's from just 6 hours ago so there may have been movement. Strange it's taken so long for Newcastle to tie it up tbh, but I also think Finneran is being very badly advised to go to Newcastle's academy at this stage. It would only be a scholarship he'd have to sign with us, so he could still have moved for very little at the end of next season after very likely getting some senior football experience and being able to ask for a better wage.

Some might mention the money but aren't scholarship deals a bit limited in that regard? And at that age you're better thinking about your career path than money.

[MarkBRFC]

4 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

I thought the same of Tyjon until a couple of days ago. I don't see why a rovers.co.uk article on Tyjon would make any mention of Finneran.

Considering it mention's all the lads who have signed scholar deals, why would it leave Finneran out?

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

Considering it mention's all the lads who have signed scholar deals, why would it leave Finneran out?

He hasn't signed it yet. If there had been mention of all the lads who have signed scholar deals 5 days ago, it wouldn't have mentioned Tyjon either.

It does seem he will be off but it's not set in stone yet.

[Madon]

Concerning that Junior Nsangou hasn't signed a deal, he was one of the standouts last season.

[KentExile]

28 minutes ago, Madon said:

Concerning that Junior Nsangou hasn't signed a deal, he was one of the standouts last season.

Was he?  4 goals in 15 last season at U21 level and 1 in 8 at U18 level

I know he is in the Poland U20s squad, and does seem to have something about him, but it may simply be that he doesn't fancy his chances of progressing with Tijon here?  Or maybe he (his agent) is still in the process of negotiating a slightly higher wage than  the others who did sign yesterday

Of course it could also be that he has done a Finneran/Phillips and decided the grass is greener (and more lucrative) elsewhere

Edited July 4 by KentExile

[chaddyrovers]

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