Championship 2018-19

[Tom]

So Anderson has hinted wages may not be paid at all until he sells.

If I was the buyer Id be offering less by the day! 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, JHRover said:

Maybe, but do you not think that it is unfair on Reading/Rotherham/Millwall and maybe even us if things carry on at this rate?

Most clubs have their houses in order and pay their staff and bills.

Why is it fair that Bolton could yet survive and someone else get relegated when everyone else pays their debts and wages and Bolton don't yet keep getting away with it?

If the clubs you mention ,us included, manage to get less points than a team who are going through the off field turmoil Bolton are, then we would deserve to go down. 

[K-Hod]

10 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

On what grounds? Would be really kicking them when they are down 

They've been a shambles for ages under this owner and seem to keep getting away without punishment.

There has to be a deterrent to stop owners being such cowboys in future. Not paying players is one thing, they will probably be able to get by, but what about the normal staff at the club? Why should they suffer because their owner continues to take the proverbial?

[Bigdoggsteel]

6 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

They've been a shambles for ages under this owner and seem to keep getting away without punishment.

There has to be a deterrent to stop owners being such cowboys in future. Not paying players is one thing, they will probably be able to get by, but what about the normal staff at the club? Why should they suffer because their owner continues to take the proverbial?

How would fining the club help the regular staff? 

As usual the FA have left it too late to do anything 

Edited March 4, 2019 by Bigdoggsteel

[JHRover]

15 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

If the clubs you mention ,us included, manage to get less points than a team who are going through the off field turmoil Bolton are, then we would deserve to go down. 

That's one way of looking at it. The other is to say they've got a squad and structure they can't afford and never could, and by not paying for it they've equipped themselves unfairly. E.g. Christian Doidge who was 'loaned' with an agreement to buy but it was obvious they could never afford him. If they'd have recruited within budget they'd have a far weaker squad and would likely be relegated already.

 

Edited March 4, 2019 by JHRover

[K-Hod]

2 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

How would fining the club help the regular staff? 

As usual the FA have left it too late to do anything 

Never said anything about a fine, that would be a bit stupid when they clearly don't have a pot to whizz in. 

They just seem to be avoiding punishment as a club, when most other clubs have been done for far worse....

[Bigdoggsteel]

2 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Never said anything about a fine, that would be a bit stupid when they clearly don't have a pot to whizz in. 

They just seem to be avoiding punishment as a club, when most other clubs have been done for far worse....

I don't think enough clubs get done at all to be honest. 

A point deduction would be fine. The sooner we are mathematically safe the better! 

[Bigdoggsteel]

5 minutes ago, JHRover said:

That's one way of looking at it. The other is to say they've got a squad and structure they can't afford and never could, and by not paying for it they've equipped themselves unfairly. E.g. Christian Doidge who was 'loaned' with an agreement to buy but it was obvious they could never afford him. If they'd have recruited within budget they'd have a far weaker squad and would likely be relegated already.

 

That's true, but they have still spent peanuts. Testament to the job Parkinson is doing there.

If they manage to stay up and we go down, something has gone very, very badly wrong here. 

[Norbert Rassragr]

Leeds, Southampton, and others have had points deductions and fines for being financially knackered. What makes Bolton so special? It's been going on for ages there.

[Rogerb]

Bolton's owner is very good at brinkmanship and up to date has made a habit of coming up with the dosh at the last second that's why there has been no points deduction so far

[JHRover]

Last time he relied on former owner Eddie Davies to come up with the money to stave off administration. Now he's passed away they're probably out of knights in shining armour coming to the rescue as the next round of bills and wages need paying for.

[Mattyblue]

They owe money to :

Bolton Council, the police, HMRC, plus staff wages. It’ll be some Houdini act to get out of this one by Anderson...

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17475719.police-chasing-debts-owed-by-wanderers/

[Scotland1]

4 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

They owe money to :

Bolton Council, the police, HMRC, plus staff wages. It’ll be some Houdini act to get out of this one by Anderson...

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17475719.police-chasing-debts-owed-by-wanderers/

Cash flow, remember before this they came to blows over an FL loan and cancelled Dodge transfer. This time last year they got 4 + 2 for Madine to bridge it until end of the season for tv monies.

in recent seasons rovers used close brothers finance to bridge cash flow issues till the season ticket early bird cash and tv monies came in.

Edited March 4, 2019 by Scotland1

[K-Hod]

On 13/02/2019 at 08:19, S8 & Blue said:

I’ve got a bet on with a Wendy that we’ll finish above them and I’m still massively confident.

They weren’t conceding too many before Bruce came in (Jos playing a flat back 10), but they haven’t scored more than one in game since we tonked them and then they drew with Rotherham in early December. 

They are crap, they might not concede as many in a game, but we will get more points.

 

They're 4 points ahead of us now, amazing what a good and bad run can do in this league!

Edited March 5, 2019 by K-Hod

[philipl]

Bolton need to make up 8 points in 11 games with their massive adverse goal difference.

As good as down already.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

25 minutes ago, philipl said:

Bolton need to make up 8 points in 11 games with their massive adverse goal difference.

As good as down already.

 3 wins in 11 games ?

[DE.]

Bolton have only won 6 in 35, so 3 in 11 would be a pretty big upturn in form - especially considering the financial state of the club. Can't be good for morale.  Three wins would also only be enough if the teams above them lost every single game between now and the end of the season, which is unlikely. I'd say Bolton and Ipswich are as good as gone. I think Rotherham will ultimately take the final spot, but could just as easily be Reading.

[JHRover]

 

Normally you would expect all their problems with finances to work against them and see the players effectively down tools but as we saw with them last season and the season before when they survived and won promotion that doesn't always seem to be the case.

The fact they are still in with a chance at this stage given they've only won something like 2 games in 5 months says it all about this league.

[DE.]

Just now, JHRover said:

 

Normally you would expect all their problems with finances to work against them and see the players effectively down tools but as we saw with them last season and the season before when they survived and won promotion that doesn't always seem to be the case.

The fact they are still in with a chance at this stage given they've only won something like 2 games in 5 months says it all about this league.

Pretty galling that we were relegated with 51 points. 42 would have been enough last season and it'll probably be similar this season.

[JHRover]

Just now, DE. said:

Pretty galling that we were relegated with 51 points. 42 would have been enough last season and it'll probably be similar this season.

We've been the victims of high points totals the last 2 years. Firstly in going down with 51 points - a very high total - and secondly in securing an unprecedented 96 points and still only finishing 2nd. 9 out of 10 seasons and we'd have survived and won the league title at a canter with those totals.

Bolton on the other hand have had the luxury of low requirements - when they went down in 2016 the requirement for survival was a mere 41 points, when they were promoted the following season they only needed 83 points to secure 2nd place above Scunthorpe, and when they survived on the final day last season they did so with only 43 points with Burton and Barnsley going down on 41.

Using those two examples we'd be safe already, but again I feel we are going to need more than we've got to secure survival with Rotherham and Reading both picking points up.

[Bigdoggsteel]

2 minutes ago, JHRover said:

We've been the victims of high points totals the last 2 years. Firstly in going down with 51 points - a very high total - and secondly in securing an unprecedented 96 points and still only finishing 2nd. 9 out of 10 seasons and we'd have survived and won the league title at a canter with those totals.

Bolton on the other hand have had the luxury of low requirements - when they went down in 2016 the requirement for survival was a mere 41 points, when they were promoted the following season they only needed 83 points to secure 2nd place above Scunthorpe, and when they survived on the final day last season they did so with only 43 points with Burton and Barnsley going down on 41.

Using those two examples we'd be safe already, but again I feel we are going to need more than we've got to secure survival with Rotherham and Reading both picking points up.

From us! 

[DE.]

19 minutes ago, JHRover said:

We've been the victims of high points totals the last 2 years. Firstly in going down with 51 points - a very high total - and secondly in securing an unprecedented 96 points and still only finishing 2nd. 9 out of 10 seasons and we'd have survived and won the league title at a canter with those totals.

Bolton on the other hand have had the luxury of low requirements - when they went down in 2016 the requirement for survival was a mere 41 points, when they were promoted the following season they only needed 83 points to secure 2nd place above Scunthorpe, and when they survived on the final day last season they did so with only 43 points with Burton and Barnsley going down on 41.

Using those two examples we'd be safe already, but again I feel we are going to need more than we've got to secure survival with Rotherham and Reading both picking points up.

Rotherham and Reading aren't playing us every week though, so I don't foresee either getting that many more points. Keep in mind Rotherham have only won 6 all season and Reading 7, so much like Bolton it would take a pretty big change in form for either of them to be winning 4 or 5 matches between now and the end of the season. It is possible but I wouldn't call it likely. Even if both picked up 4 wins each and we only got one point out of our next 11 matches we'd still probably finish above both due to their horrendous goal difference. Granted that assumes both would lose their other 7 matches, but let's say we win a match instead of drawing - that would almost certainly see us safe.

That said, it's Rovers and we do seem to be cursed under Venky's, so who knows.

[davulsukur]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11672/11655715/bolton-wanderers-home-match-vs-millwall-on-saturday-in-doubt

Bolton's next home game is in doubt over safety certificate concerns and money owed to Greater Manchester Police.

[Mattyblue]

Bolton’s caterers owed £250,000 and may pull their services for Saturday’s game...

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17476994.catering-company-threaten-to-pull-out-at-bolton-wanderers/

Club safety certificate on the verge of being withdrawn, as can’t guarantee stewarding...

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17477248.live-latest-updates-as-crunch-talks-held-over-wanderers/

 

Edited March 5, 2019 by Mattyblue

[DE.]

Can't help but think the EFL perhaps should have stepped in a little sooner rather than letting it get to this point. But that would actually be taking some responsibility, so...