Championship 2018-19

[blueboy3333]

6 minutes ago, JHRover said:

All sorts of tricks going on and again - if Venkys decide tomorrow to leave the club the first thing they do is accept they are going to have to walk away from that debt - there's no other way of getting out of it.

Which is exactly why they won't walk away. Keep thinking of the £250m. At this point losses of £10m or so are drops in the ocean to them. They want the SKY money from getting in the Prem. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, blueboy3333 said:

Which is exactly why they won't walk away. Keep thinking of the £250m. At this point losses of £10m or so are drops in the ocean to them. They want the SKY money from getting in the Prem. 

Why aren't they more pro-active regarding this aim then ? Do they think everybody gets a go at being in the Prem and they're just waiting for their turn ?

[blueboy3333]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Why aren't they more pro-active regarding this aim then ? Do they think everybody gets a go at being in the Prem and they're just waiting for their turn ?

Because they think they can do it on the cheap. Think about the policy behind the managers they've employed since Bowyer - hey all have promotion to the Prem on their CV's. They were also all cheap to employ. 

An insight into their thinking was given by Bowyer after he left. He said they sold Rudy from under his nose then the next day told him his target for 15/16 was to get promotion. 

 

[Stuart]

9 hours ago, blueboy3333 said:

Because they think they can do it on the cheap. Think about the policy behind the managers they've employed since Bowyer - hey all have promotion to the Prem on their CV's. They were also all cheap to employ. 

An insight into their thinking was given by Bowyer after he left. He said they sold Rudy from under his nose then the next day told him his target for 15/16 was to get promotion. 

And yet the honest guvnor’s response to being undermined and given an unachievable target?

Take the money and give it a right good go. He probably even said the words in that very meeting.

Contrast with the much hated Lambert’s reaction when they did the same to him...

Luckily for Mowbray he’s held on to Dack long enough that we potentially won’t miss him when the same happens to him.

[blueboy3333]

33 minutes ago, Stuart said:

And yet the honest guvnor’s response to being undermined and given an unachievable target?

Take the money and give it a right good go. He probably even said the words in that very meeting.

Contrast with the much hated Lambert’s reaction when they did the same to him...

Luckily for Mowbray he’s held on to Dack long enough that we potentially won’t miss him when the same happens to him.

Lambert didn't do that. He quit because he didnt want to effectively run the club. It wasn't over money. He actively sold Rhodes. 

[Stuart]

Just now, blueboy3333 said:

Lambert didn't do that. He quit because he didnt want to effectively run the club. It wasn't over money. He actively sold Rhodes. 

He actively sold Rhodes because he believed he’d be getting the money.

[bluebruce]

12 hours ago, blueboy3333 said:

Which is exactly why they won't walk away. Keep thinking of the £250m. At this point losses of £10m or so are drops in the ocean to them. They want the SKY money from getting in the Prem. 

Where are you getting 250 million from? I've never seen a figure remotely near that mentioned before. The figure was published today at what, about 150 million? With approx 100 mill of it owed to Venkys I think it was.

[blueboy3333]

Just now, bluebruce said:

Where are you getting 250 million from? I've never seen a figure remotely near that mentioned before. The figure was published today at what, about 150 million? With approx 100 mill of it owed to Venkys I think it was.

Venkys topic 

[JHRover]

Sounds like they're going to try and deduct Birmingham 9 points rather than the 12 that was constantly pushed in the media. This will apply immediately and would put them 5 clear of relegation.

I think it would have been better either waiting until the start of next season and making them start on minus 9 points or doing them for 12 points and putting them into the middle of the relegation battle.

9 points won't be fatal, they'll still have a sizeable lead over Rotherham and will be able to go into next season with a clean slate.

[Bigdoggsteel]

54 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Sounds like they're going to try and deduct Birmingham 9 points rather than the 12 that was constantly pushed in the media. This will apply immediately and would put them 5 clear of relegation.

I think it would have been better either waiting until the start of next season and making them start on minus 9 points or doing them for 12 points and putting them into the middle of the relegation battle.

9 points won't be fatal, they'll still have a sizeable lead over Rotherham and will be able to go into next season with a clean slate.

Well it is what it is, 9 points is a decent amount. They just happen to have had a solid season under the circumstances and will therefore not land deep in trouble. 

I just wonder would they have deducted them 9 if it meant landing them in relegation. Either way, they could easily end up in relegation, but they probably wont as Monk has done a great job there under difficult circumstances.

EDIT*

Just checked the fixtures

Birminghams next 3 games are West brom(a) , Leeds(h) and Sheffield united (h). Followed by Ipswich (a), Derby (h) and Rotherham (a)

That Rotherham game could be interesting. Particularly as its in Rotherham 

They could be in trouble alright 

Edited March 22, 2019 by Bigdoggsteel

[blueboy3333]

14 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Well it is what it is, 9 points is a decent amount. They just happen to have had a solid season under the circumstances and will therefore not land deep in trouble. 

I just wonder would they have deducted them 9 if it meant landing them in relegation. Either way, they could easily end up in relegation, but they probably wont as Monk has done a great job there under difficult circumstances.

EDIT*

Just checked the fixtures

Birminghams next 3 games are West brom(a) , Leeds(h) and Sheffield united (h). Followed by Ipswich (a), Derby (h) and Rotherham (a)

That Rotherham game could be interesting. Particularly as its in Rotherham 

They could be in trouble alright 

They have also lost their last 4 without scoring. Looking at those fixtures they could be in a lot of trouble. 

[jodrell]

Birmingham City deducted nine points for EFL profitability and sustainability rule breaches

i hope they go down after the way they dodged it when we went down

[JHRover]

Just now, jodrell said:

Birmingham City deducted nine points for EFL profitability and sustainability rule breaches

i hope they go down after the way they dodged it when we went down

It's been done to give them the best chance of not going down.

[Mattyblue]

They’ve got West Brom, Leeds and Sheff Utd in their next 3 games.

Could be in big trouble by Easter.

[AllRoverAsia]

10 minutes ago, JHRover said:

It's been done to give them the best chance of not going down.

Spot on. Big Club have yet to play 4 clubs who are still below them in the relegation dogfight. No fine imposed plus they can deal in the Summer window and go into next season with a clean slate. The last thing the EFL want is a relegation caused by a penalty points deduction with probable law suits to follow, hence it's 9 and not 12 points deducted. 

If the points deduction had been deferred until the start of next season it would have impacted negatively on transfer dealings in the summer. 

Only Big Club themselves can mess up this favourable treatment. 

Edited March 22, 2019 by AllRoverAsia

[Stuart]

Just now, AllRoverAsia said:

Spot on. Big Club have yet to play 4 clubs who are still below them in the relegation dogfight. No fine imposed plus they can deal in the Summer window and go into next season with a clean slate. The last thing the EFL want is a relegation caused by a penalty points deduction with probable law suits to follow, hence it's 9 and not 12 points deducted. 

If the points deduction had been deferred until the start of next season it would have impacted negatively on transfer dealings in the summer. 

Only Big Club themselves can mess upthis favourable treatment. 

How can they not be placed under an embargo?

[Norbert Rassragr]

Would Villa, or Derby be at risk of a similar thing given all the money they whizzed away?

[AllRoverAsia]

Just now, Stuart said:

How can they not be placed under an embargo?

EFL at play.  In a normal world a transfer embargo,  say over a season,  would be expected. The EFL have delayed,  delayed and now rushed the penalty into this season hoping the timing does not produce a relegation. 

[JHRover]

Just now, AllRoverAsia said:

Spot on. Big Club have yet to play 4 clubs who are still below them in the relegation dogfight. No fine imposed plus they can deal in the Summer window and go into next season with a clean slate. The last thing the EFL want is a relegation caused by a penalty points deduction with probable law suits to follow, hence it's 9 and not 12 points deducted. 

If the points deduction had been deferred until the start of next season it would have impacted negatively on transfer dealings in the summer. 

Only Big Club themselves can mess up this favourable treatment. 

For months and months all the talk was about a 12 point deduction, which if imposed now would send them right into the mire only 2 points outside the bottom 3 with 3 tough games to come. Lose those 3 and they could well be in the bottom 3 and then all sorts of things start to happen - their heads could go and they could get relegated.

With 9 points deducted that still leaves a cushion of sorts. Rotherham would need to win 2 to get above them.

If they'd have been in the top 6 or just outside as they were a few weeks ago then they'd face all sorts of trouble in docking them points - hence the convenient delay until now when they're out of the promotion shake-up.

Birmingham have done quite nicely out of this. They ain't going up, so the only concern for them has to be ensuring they don't go down. Whether they finish 8th on 65 points or 18th on 56 points matters not. The cloud has been lifted and the reset button pushed - all clear to cart on in the summer and try again next season.

The only way it could go wrong is if they manage to not get the 5-6 points they might still need to secure survival, which from 8 games is unlikely.

[Stuart]

Just now, AllRoverAsia said:

EFL at play.  In a normal world a transfer embargo,  say over a season,  would be expected. The EFL have delayed,  delayed and now rushed the penalty into this season hoping the timing does not produce a relegation. 

But that’s backward.

They broke the rules. They cheated. Probably thinking they would get promoted and it wouldn’t matter.

I’m more worried about Rotherham being relegated having played within the rules and competed on unequal terms against a club that cheats.

We got relegated because that club got a helping hand two seasons ago - and the team that helped them also cheated and got no punishment.

Yet Rovers managed to spend money they didn’t have on bad advice chasing relegation and got an embargo for their troubles.

Football is corrupt.

[Husky]

27 minutes ago, jodrell said:

Birmingham City deducted nine points for EFL profitability and sustainability rule breaches

i hope they go down after the way they dodged it when we went down

Excellent news in our fight for 17th place!

COYB! ?

[AllRoverAsia]

Just now, Stuart said:

But that’s backward.

They broke the rules. They cheated. Probably thinking they would get promoted and it wouldn’t matter.

I’m more worried about Rotherham being relegated having played within the rules and competed on unequal terms against a club that cheats.

We got relegated because that club got a helping hand two seasons ago - and the team that helped them also cheated and got no punishment.

Yet Rovers managed to spend money they didn’t have on bad advice chasing relegation and got an embargo for their troubles.

Football is corrupt.

Completely agree. 

[JHRover]

Just now, Stuart said:

But that’s backward.

They broke the rules. They cheated. Probably thinking they would get promoted and it wouldn’t matter.

I’m more worried about Rotherham being relegated having played within the rules and competed on unequal terms against a club that cheats.

We got relegated because that club got a helping hand two seasons ago - and the team that helped them also cheated and got no punishment.

Yet Rovers managed to spend money they didn’t have on bad advice chasing relegation and got an embargo for their troubles.

Football is corrupt.

The League are as much up to their necks in it as anyone.

Birmingham haven't just broken the rules, they've done it with flying colours. Almost £10 million over the maximum limit, not a toss given about the rules, a wage bill at 200% of turnover, blatantly ignoring the League's threats by signing a player despite being under an 'embargo'.

And the grand punishment is a deduction of points that is likely to have no serious impact on their league status.

Meanwhile when we were found guilty (when the rules were in their infancy, we were struggling to adjust post-Premier League and had made efforts by cutting costs) - they couldn't wait to sanction us quickly and decisively by putting in place a multi-window transfer ban.

I'd argue we had a worse punishment than Birmingham have had.=.

[Vinjay]

Another victim of the Jack Walker haters at UEFA

Edited March 23, 2019 by Vinjay17

[Stuart]

15 hours ago, Husky said:

Excellent news in our fight for 17th place!

COYB! ?

There won’t be any fighting.