Why do we concede so many last minute goals?

[blueboy3333]

9 hours ago, S8 & Blue said:

Another theory - we are playing better teams and we shit ourselves.

Probably the best explanation. Also, that the likes of Smallwood and Evans, who protect the back 4, are normally blowing out of their arses late on because of all the work they have to do. We don't have a lot of possession either so they have to work doubly hard against the good teams. 

[Neal]

One definite contributing factor is our lack of height being exploited when teams get desperate and start playing long balls.

[47er]

1 hour ago, Neal said:

One definite contributing factor is our lack of height being exploited when teams get desperate and start playing long balls.

Was just about to write this! Lets hope there's no other Crouches about!

[roversfan2001]

Since the last time we scored a crucial last minute goal (equaliser away at Fulham in March 2017) we've conceded:

93rd minute equaliser against Preston

90th minute winner against Oldham

94th minute equaliser against Bristol Rovers

91st minute equaliser against Ipswich

93rd minute equaliser against Aston Villa

94th minute winner against Bournemouth

 

Anyone who uses the "it all evens itself out" excuse is lying; we've got a serious problem when it comes to seeing games out.

[roversfan2001]

4 hours ago, renrag said:

Would be interesting to know how many late goals we conceded in 2016/17. We seemed to have a sequence similar to the one we are having now and we know how that cost us

Dropped 11 points through goals scored in the 85th minute or later. This is in contrast to the 4 points gained through goals in the same time period (which interestingly were all in a 5 week period either side of the change of manager).

[47er]

Under Coyle we used to say it was because we were so unfit, we can hardly use that one now! I agree with those who think we don't keep the ball long  enough, opposition can't score without it.

That's a skill and organisation issue. You could throw confidence in there too, we do seem to panic.

[chaddyrovers]

15 hours ago, roversfan2001 said:

Since the last time we scored a crucial last minute goal (equaliser away at Fulham in March 2017) we've conceded:

93rd minute equaliser against Preston

90th minute winner against Oldham

94th minute equaliser against Bristol Rovers

91st minute equaliser against Ipswich

93rd minute equaliser against Aston Villa

94th minute winner against Bournemouth

 

Anyone who uses the "it all evens itself out" excuse is lying; we've got a serious problem when it comes to seeing games out.

Isnt that over 50/60 games maybe even 70 games if we including cup competitions. 

What record since Mowbray came in with goals scored and conceded? 

[MarkBRFC]

15 hours ago, roversfan2001 said:

Since the last time we scored a crucial last minute goal (equaliser away at Fulham in March 2017) we've conceded:

93rd minute equaliser against Preston

90th minute winner against Oldham

94th minute equaliser against Bristol Rovers

91st minute equaliser against Ipswich

93rd minute equaliser against Aston Villa

94th minute winner against Bournemouth

 

Anyone who uses the "it all evens itself out" excuse is lying; we've got a serious problem when it comes to seeing games out.

There was one at Rotherham last season as well which was a equaliser, though that could have been 88/89 minutes.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

The problem is we can be 3-0 and coasting with 10 minutes to go and we all know the game isn't over. That's a ridiculous state of affairs.

[rigger]

In my opinion it is hard to keep up the high intensity game that we play for the full game. The only way is by substitutions but this sometimes breaks up the rhythm of the team.

[BlackburnEnd75]

Reasons why we concede late goals:

1) We invite pressure late on: We don't control possession in games or have particularly amazing passers in midfield, combine this with the lack of winger who can carry the ball 40 yards and Graham either not being on the pitch passed 70 mins or completely knackered means we lack an 'out ball'. Also we work hard and press well in midfield so come the last 5 mins we're pretty tired and the natural thing to do when you're tired is to hold the shape not to push out. All this combines with us dropping deeper later on in games.

2) We don't have a massive Bloke who heads everything: At centre back who has a ball magnet for a head. When the opposition start pumping the ball into the box late on we're not guaranteed to win that first header and the ball stays in and around our box making everyone else a bit panicky.Also links back to point one as the more likely the ball is going to come into the box the more you'll regret having that type of player. Lenihan and Mulgrew are good in the air but their not a Duffy or a Samba type centre back.

3) We're a relatively young side which lack game management skills: Raya isn't screaming at defenders pushing them out, did he get his wall right vs Villa?  Nyambe maybe hasn't learned how to deal with Strikers pulling onto him for deep crosses into the box. Lenihan made a rash challenge at Stoke in the 90th min. Armstrong and Brereton off the bench late on in the stoke game made some really poor decisions (at one point I was screaming at Armstrong to run it into the corner but he cut inside). Reed gave away a needless freekick vs Villa.

4) We're not great at set pieces: Plays into the first 3 points. Lack of defensive nous, always helps to have a big side for set pieces. Was a bit disappointing to lose at Bournemouth from a corner even when we were down to 10 men.

5) Bad Luck? - Ipswich goal was a bit of a fluke and the Villa equaliser was a very good strike. Also the Oldham and Preston games are too long ago and too different in personnel for us to be adding into a general pattern of us conceding late goals.

 

[chaddyrovers]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/16953459.rovers-will-summon-the-spirit-for-next-challenge-mowbray/

[Stuart]

If we were losing rather than drawing those comments wound seem pretty desperate. As it is it’s just newspaper filler.

[roversfan99]

Id like to think those comments are just him publically protecting the team rather than anything else.

I hope he does see it as something to rectify. He mentions teams throwing men forward as if its inevitable that a goal will result. Also specifically mentions Villa and Ipswich believing we deserved to win. Even if we did, the whole point of the criticism is that we arent getting the points over the line, for whatever reason.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Is it because we need to be better at counter attacking? When we concede, we are usually winning the game, which is a positive. It seems we struggle with getting that goal that finishes the game off 

[roversfan99]

15 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Is it because we need to be better at counter attacking? When we concede, we are usually winning the game, which is a positive. It seems we struggle with getting that goal that finishes the game off 

Not necessarily counter attack, more holding the ball up perhaps? Against Ipswich when Nuttall came on for Graham and against Stoke Brereton did. Neither were half as effective at holding the ball up and thus pressure kept coming. Although Rothwell wasted a perfect counter attacking chance v Stoke too.

Definitely has to be a mixture of things though, not just bad luck. Rash fouls, ie Reed v Villa and Lenihan v Stoke (although we didnt throw any points away the panic and almost collapse was a big worry) leading to set pieces. Natural instinct/lack of fitness(?) leading to defending deeper? The mental aspect of knowing it has happened before?

[Bigdoggsteel]

32 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Not necessarily counter attack, more holding the ball up perhaps? Against Ipswich when Nuttall came on for Graham and against Stoke Brereton did. Neither were half as effective at holding the ball up and thus pressure kept coming. Although Rothwell wasted a perfect counter attacking chance v Stoke too.

Definitely has to be a mixture of things though, not just bad luck. Rash fouls, ie Reed v Villa and Lenihan v Stoke (although we didnt throw any points away the panic and almost collapse was a big worry) leading to set pieces. Natural instinct/lack of fitness(?) leading to defending deeper? The mental aspect of knowing it has happened before?

I wouldn't say it's fitness. The mental aspect of knowing it happened before probably does come into it, hence why we need to eradicate it before it becomes a major pattern. 

[roversfan99]

32 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I wouldn't say it's fitness. The mental aspect of knowing it happened before probably does come into it, hence why we need to eradicate it before it becomes a major pattern. 

Yeah it is definitely something that can become a trend and is very difficult to eridicate once that is the case so we need to look at closing games out as we did last year. Nothing worse than conceding at the end.

[chaddyrovers]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Id like to think those comments are just him publically protecting the team rather than anything else.

I hope he does see it as something to rectify. He mentions teams throwing men forward as if its inevitable that a goal will result. Also specifically mentions Villa and Ipswich believing we deserved to win. Even if we did, the whole point of the criticism is that we arent getting the points over the line, for whatever reason.

Or Mowbray is just being honest as he has been in every interview and comment since coming to the club. 

57 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I wouldn't say it's fitness. The mental aspect of knowing it happened before probably does come into it, hence why we need to eradicate it before it becomes a major pattern. 

I would say that our squad this season is one of the fitness ive seen in my time as a Rovers fan

[BlackburnEnd75]

42 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I would say that our squad this season is one of the fitness ive seen in my time as a Rovers fan

I'd say probably under Hughes they were fitter.

We have a few players who look like they struggle doing 90 mins Saturday -Tuesday - Saturday.

There is a noticeable dip in intensity in the last 10-15 mins. Some of which is understandable if we're working so hard for the first 75-80 mins.

Edited October 2, 2018 by BlackburnEnd75

[tomphil]

Fittest they've ever been under Venkys reign yes but no way fitter than they've been under Hughes and Sam although we were talking pedigree players and engines in some cases back then.

Nice to see a return to that attitude and type of player under TM though it can certainly help any lack of top quality.

[USABlue]

If we would improve the quality of iur finishing too, some if those games we should have been way ahead.  That said, I almost expect us to concede late on now.

[philipl]

Horrible late goal against us just before half time again but thought we closed out the second half more professionally than we have been doing this season.

Striking stat in the Derby win v Blades. Derby haven't conceded any goals in the last 15 minutes of any game this season. If Rovers had managed that, we'd be in the top 2.

 

[Peteb2014]

Perhaps we concede so many late goals because if a striker shows excellent game management by seeing a ball out of play and taking the corner on offer to see the game out instead of going for glory he gets slated for it ?

 

[47er]

 

Not doing badly in terms of late goals conceded at the moment are we?