Thursday deadline.

[Angry_Pirate]

58 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Did we come up against any standout target men in League 1 last season? Was it Plymouth who had a guy? 

Speaking of Plymouth, a player who always seemed to get the rave reviews (and also made L1 team of the season) was that lad Graham Carey. I confess to never seeing him play live, so expect to be shot down pretty fast here ?.

... quick check, he turns 30 at the end of this season so not as young as I presumed, and seems to have committed himself to another year at Argyle. Soz.

Don't panic, I won't be suggesting their 26 year old commanding Cameroonian centre back next! 

Lazar Markovic (surely not?), Chapman and Armstrong as options on the wings would certainly fix our lack of pace! 

Pull that off and then the Bauer and Gestede-esque signings and we can "praise the sun"!

Edited July 3, 2018 by Angry_Pirate

[SBlue]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

                        Raya

Nyambe Lenihan Mulgrew Williams

           Smallwood Davenport

Bennett         Dack              Rothwell

                      Graham

 

Starting to take shape nicely I think.

Armstrong and Chapman or players of that ilk plus a centre forward and we're looking good I reckon.

Edited July 3, 2018 by S8 & Blue

[JBiz]

26 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I'd expect he'd cost multi-millions which shouldn't be a problem if the owners wanted to do it but I don't think they really do want to do it so likely won't happen.

Do you not prefer a system where we (the staff/management) know a budget (reasonable) that’s reviewed against income/debt and set annually?

Last thing we need imo, is the owners saying “here is 10m to get promoted this season” if it means a repeat of having to cut costs and shift wages/players again in 12 months if it doesn’t work out.

Perhaps a bigger budget/more to spend is better if it’s a gradual development - in this system, there is fair argument to say any sales will require reinvestment, rather than having to say - “we need the wage bill to be cut back to avoid sanction or stop spiralling debts”

Technically, by cutting cloth accordingly and maxing out other turnovers, we can actually build value and quality in the squad without the immediate need to be promoted to sustain it. Spending multimillions on players, with big wages would potentially add cost elsewhere, because you can’t convince Dack to sign a new 10k a week contract if you’ve just given an x prem a decent deal, or someone like Marcus Maddison 20k, on the basis 4 or 5 clubs have may have driven the price up.

Im not naive or unambitious, I understand more seasons in the champ will see us have to replace players moving on, I understand that quality costs more but I really do like the idea of using our scouting and buying potential to help develop along with our own. 

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, S8 & Blue said:

Starting to take shape nicely I think.

Armstrong and Chapman or players of that ilk plus a centre forward and we're looking good I reckon.

very much agree

[JHRover]

24 minutes ago, Biz said:

Do you not prefer a system where we (the staff/management) know a budget (reasonable) that’s reviewed against income/debt and set annually?

Last thing we need imo, is the owners saying “here is 10m to get promoted this season” if it means a repeat of having to cut costs and shift wages/players again in 12 months if it doesn’t work out.

Perhaps a bigger budget/more to spend is better if it’s a gradual development - in this system, there is fair argument to say any sales will require reinvestment, rather than having to say - “we need the wage bill to be cut back to avoid sanction or stop spiralling debts”

Technically, by cutting cloth accordingly and maxing out other turnovers, we can actually build value and quality in the squad without the immediate need to be promoted to sustain it. Spending multimillions on players, with big wages would potentially add cost elsewhere, because you can’t convince Dack to sign a new 10k a week contract if you’ve just given an x prem a decent deal, or someone like Marcus Maddison 20k, on the basis 4 or 5 clubs have may have driven the price up.

Im not naive or unambitious, I understand more seasons in the champ will see us have to replace players moving on, I understand that quality costs more but I really do like the idea of using our scouting and buying potential to help develop along with our own. 

No it doesn't. If the owners want to invest more money then they tell the manager that he can spend more, and if the manager wishes to do so then he does. It doesn't have to be a promotion or bust model. If we don't go up we don't have to make massive cuts or sell players to make up the shortfall.

We could just do what we're doing at present and did last season but on a bigger scale. E.g. what most Championship clubs do - spend multi millions on new players every year.

Do you really think that every club that spends money has to slash costs if they don't get promoted?

Notice I didn't say I supported blowing the wage bill right open again, but investing in transfer fees can be done if the desire to do it is there.

We need to move away from this ludicrous FFP concern.

Cutting the cloth accordingly is a myth unless we sell a player for big money every couple of years. Not many clubs in the Championship do that.

Debts are spiralling and will continue to do so each and every year we're out of the Premier League.

[Fraserkirky]

Can't remember who mentioned it, but someone on here made the point of Armstrong has to learn to play the Inside Forward/Right Winger position. So many teams like us are playing the 4-2-3-1, he simply doesn't have the stature to play as a lone striker. 

I wanna see a fast counter attacking team with Chapman and Armstrong providing the pace out wide.

[JacknOry]

23 minutes ago, Fraserkirky said:

Can't remember who mentioned it, but someone on here made the point of Armstrong has to learn to play the Inside Forward/Right Winger position. So many teams like us are playing the 4-2-3-1, he simply doesn't have the stature to play as a lone striker. 

I wanna see a fast counter attacking team with Chapman and Armstrong providing the pace out wide.

On 29/04/2018 at 18:15, JacknOry said:

I have thought this for some time. Its almost as if he is a generation too late. 15 years ago he could well be plying his trade in the PL back when front twos were commonplace. Not too disimilar to a Michael Owen type.

With one up top being practically the norm these days, small nippy players like him will find it difficult as they do not have the physicality to play the lone role and need a partner.

If I were him, I would do my best to learn and master the inside forward role that he has now as getting a striking berth is going to be tough for him.

 

I think its his only option, he will not get many striking spots in the Championship as one up top is the trend. Would work best in a little and big strike partnership but this is seen less and less these days.

I agree that his pace would be sensational on the break with Chapman and Dack is not slow either.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, Biz said:

Do you not prefer a system where we (the staff/management) know a budget (reasonable) that’s reviewed against income/debt and set annually?

Last thing we need imo, is the owners saying “here is 10m to get promoted this season” if it means a repeat of having to cut costs and shift wages/players again in 12 months if it doesn’t work out.

Perhaps a bigger budget/more to spend is better if it’s a gradual development - in this system, there is fair argument to say any sales will require reinvestment, rather than having to say - “we need the wage bill to be cut back to avoid sanction or stop spiralling debts”

Technically, by cutting cloth accordingly and maxing out other turnovers, we can actually build value and quality in the squad without the immediate need to be promoted to sustain it. Spending multimillions on players, with big wages would potentially add cost elsewhere, because you can’t convince Dack to sign a new 10k a week contract if you’ve just given an x prem a decent deal, or someone like Marcus Maddison 20k, on the basis 4 or 5 clubs have may have driven the price up.

Im not naive or unambitious, I understand more seasons in the champ will see us have to replace players moving on, I understand that quality costs more but I really do like the idea of using our scouting and buying potential to help develop along with our own. 

That might be all well and good in normal circumstances but as JH says we are 110m + in debt already  and still losing money at a rate of knots for every day we are out of the Premier League so it is somewhat risky taking a slowly slowly approach I case the owners lose interest at any point.

I think we need to try and go up asap by whatever means possible. I know that you have to have one eye on FFP and that there are other Clubs with far greater income (if not richer owners) trying to do exactly the same but there will always be a question mark hanging over the long term future of the Club until the debts are either  written off or brought down to manageable proportions.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, Fraserkirky said:

Think we need:

Bauer

Chapman

Right Winger

Big Striker

Fast Striker

I would be incredibly happy with that.

Agreed.

Don't know anything about Bauer, I'd have said "experienced Championship Centre half" personally but on the plus side he does fit the Rothwell and Davenport model of being young with potential which is great as long as they're all good enough to keep us up next season.

I'd be ecstatic with Chapman as one of the wide man and fairly happy with Armstrong as the  "fast" striker. I'd also rather say "striker who can find the net at Championship level" as opposed to "big striker". That summons up visions of Chris Brown! Lol.

Still think a new contract for Dack is an absolute priority, never mind who else might or might not be coming in as well.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I can practically guarantee a left back isn't any sort of priority for TM though. He clearly rates Williams, and also brought in Bell in January for half a mill. There is almost no chance he moves for a specialist left back again (except maybe some cheap 18 yr old project). Maybe if he can't find a centre back for the right price and wants to play 3 centre backs, moving Williams inside, but I doubt he will be unable to find a centre back.

Totally agree on the rest though.

We've already signed the " cheap 18 yr old prospect " left back in Hart, remember him ?

Edited July 3, 2018 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[bluebruce]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

We've already signed the " cheap 18 yr old prospect " left back in Hart, remember him ?

That was kinda my point. Someone likely to be of no real use short term (or probably ever in Hart's case). Not a serious competition for left back, because TM doesn't think we need one. Personally I agree with him.

[Ladyboys of Bank Top]

On 30/06/2018 at 14:53, SkipDonoghue said:

DL has agreed and signed for the next 4 years

Skip exclusive from 3 days ago.  ITK badge is in the post. 

Edited July 3, 2018 by Ladyboys of Bank Top

[JacknOry]

Just now, Ladyboys of Bank Top said:

Skip exclusive

He has a habit of that.

[islander200]

3 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

What else can I judge him on? Whatever the reason he was poor both games. Peterborough had some good wingers, so must have had decent service to get the goals he got. I will be interested to see if a championship club takes a gamble on him. 

What I meant is it's unfair to label him a one season wonder after watching him have two poor games against a far superior side 

[47er]

8 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

We have, last summer.

# years left on is contract! No rush there.

[Pedro]

I think that due to us not being a hoofing side, there's a very strong chance of a couple of very decent loan signings. We will have to wait until late in the window though.

[philipl]

Very happy with business thus far with signings and contract extensions.

The key to whether we are OK or a bit of a menace in the Championship will come in the quality of Premier League loanees.

I expect we are going to have to be patient and that Rovers won't be inactive on this summer's transfer deadline day.

 

 

 

[AJW]

14 hours ago, Fraserkirky said:

Can't remember who mentioned it, but someone on here made the point of Armstrong has to learn to play the Inside Forward/Right Winger position. So many teams like us are playing the 4-2-3-1, he simply doesn't have the stature to play as a lone striker. 

I wanna see a fast counter attacking team with Chapman and Armstrong providing the pace out wide.

I think that the beauty in signing Armstrong , effectively you are signing 2 players  a quick wide player comfortable in that 4-2-3-1 formation we favoured last year who also has the ability to play alongside Danny Graham in a conventional 2 up top .... C'mon Tony get it done ??

[neophox]

I have Big hopes for Samuel this season! Think he just need to beef himself up!

[J*B]

Sounds like we're after Gwion Edwards - in the papers today.

[roversfan99]

17 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Bennett plays his heart out for this club. can play a number of different positions which you need at times in football. 

Disagree on Conway

Rothwell played wide 11 times last season including at Ewood Park against us. Plus Mowbray mention him as inverted winger. 

Armstrong played wide during his time here mostly

The Kent rumour came from Nixon and he was right about us signed Davenport permanent. 

my team would be for the 1st game. I haven't including any potential signings but Depending who we sign my line up could very well change

                        Raya

Nyambe Lenihan Mulgrew Williams

           Smallwood Davenport

Bennett         Dack              Rothwell

                      Graham

great shout. would be good wing back option for us. I would be deffo looking at him

 

Chris Martin's wages would be too much for us

Marriott would cost over 4 million and far too much for us. Remind me of a Jordan Rhodes type of player 

Never said otherwise.

Such a slow, laborious team with no counter attacking threat. Rothwell is a central midfielder so we shouldnt sign him and play him out of position. If that was intention we should have signed a proper winger instead.

Nixon talks crap even Rovers twitter was making a mockery out of him.

Odubajo for full back. No wing backs.

Marriott reminds you of Rhodes because he scored loads of goals. Sadly hed be too dear.

4 minutes ago, J*B said:

Sounds like we're after Gwion Edwards - in the papers today.

Which paper? 

[Lancaster Rover]

Bit in the paper.

[chaddyrovers]

20 minutes ago, J*B said:

Sounds like we're after Gwion Edwards - in the papers today.

In today Daily Mirror

Report: Blackburn weighing up bid for Peterborough's Gwion Edwards https://t.co/eRHnA6WrnZ #pufc #brfc #rovers

[MarkBRFC]

Probably write that one off then.

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Never said otherwise.

Such a slow, laborious team with no counter attacking threat. Rothwell is a central midfielder so we shouldnt sign him and play him out of position. If that was intention we should have signed a proper winger instead.

Nixon talks crap even Rovers twitter was making a mockery out of him.

Odubajo for full back. No wing backs.

Marriott reminds you of Rhodes because he scored loads of goals. Sadly hed be too dear.

Which paper? 

Look at Mowbray comments about Rothwell and use the word invert winger. Plus he started at Man Utd as a winger. He played there 11 times last season. 

Odunajo can play either of the 3 roles down the right side. Full back, wing back and winger. Started as winger at Brentford. 

Marriott reminds me of Rhodes. No pace or strength. But scores goals. 

Daily Mirror. See my link please. 

Would be very happy with Edwards signing if it happens