Ben Brereton Diaz

[Darwen Rover 007]

I'm surprised Ben didn't get on the pitch yesterday... 

[roversfan99]

Made his England under 20 debut today, and missed a penalty.

[philipl]

13 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Made his England under 20 debut today, and missed a penalty.

Hopefully got the penalty miss out of his system!

He will have to be good to oust Mulgrew from spot taking duties.

[Tom]

Glad he got some game time, he hasn’t had much this season so good for him to get out on the pitch

[Bigdoggsteel]

15 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Made his England under 20 debut today, and missed a penalty.

Has he taken penalties for Forrest or did he get this responsibility because he is now a big name, with a big price tag. Surely the most expensive player in the under 20s squad? 

[roversfan99]

57 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Has he taken penalties for Forrest or did he get this responsibility because he is now a big name, with a big price tag. Surely the most expensive player in the under 20s squad? 

Believe that tag would go to Ronaldo Vieira.

[JacknOry]

On 11/09/2018 at 21:10, roversfan99 said:

Believe that tag would go to Ronaldo Vieira.

Didn't think Patrick and Cristiano were that close tbh

[LeftWinger]

Think it's obvious from what we've seen so far that he's not a winger - although hard to judge until he's got a few matches under his belt in all fairness. 

The stats also show we play quite a lot of long balls and rely quite a bit on Danny Graham with his hold up play and knock downs - and if he's fit, Graham starts.

So I wondered if a 4-3-1-2 would ever be an option.

Raya

Nyambe - Lenihan - Mulgrew - Bell

Bennett - Evans - Reed

Dack

Brereton - Graham

The full backs would have to provide the width - but there is plenty of protection from that midfield three if they get caught out of position. Dack is pretty much a free-role, and then Brereton can play upfront with Graham. There are also several players in that side who can play in different positions if you need to alter the formation during a game.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Think it's obvious from what we've seen so far that he's not a winger - although hard to judge until he's got a few matches under his belt in all fairness. 

The stats also show we play quite a lot of long balls and rely quite a bit on Danny Graham with his hold up play and knock downs - and if he's fit, Graham starts.

So I wondered if a 4-3-1-2 would ever be an option.

Raya

Nyambe - Lenihan - Mulgrew - Bell

Bennett - Evans - Reed

Dack

Brereton - Graham

The full backs would have to provide the width - but there is plenty of protection from that midfield three if they get caught out of position. Dack is pretty much a free-role, and then Brereton can play upfront with Graham. There are also several players in that side who can play in different positions if you need to alter the formation during a game.

If you're going to play that system Armstrong would be asking why he isn't partnering Graham.

[47er]

Brereton doesn't look strong enough to me at this point. 

[Mattyblue]

You don’t realise just how good Graham is at doing what he does until someone else is trying to do it...

[DE.]

To be fair to Brereton he's got 14 years less experience than DG, so I wouldn't expect him to have that same ability as a hold up player. If he did I doubt he would have come here, he'd have been looking at a PL move.

As I've said before, my issue is that if we do spend £6-7m on him on January that's the type of fee that you'd expect an instant impact from. Obviously Brereton is not at that point yet and I'm not sure we're in a position at this point in time to be spending such large amounts on potential. Still, I have to assume it's Mowbray's call so hopefully we will see the benefits in the near future. 

[SBlue]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

You don’t realise just how good Graham is at doing what he does until someone else is trying to do it...

 

Just now, DE. said:

To be fair to Brereton he's got 14 years less experience than DG, so I wouldn't expect him to have that same ability as a hold up player. If he did I doubt he would have come here, he'd have been looking at a PL move.

As I've said before, my issue is that if we do spend £6-7m on him on January that's the type of fee that you'd expect an instant impact from. Obviously Brereton is not at that point yet and I'm not sure we're in a position at this point in time to be spending such large amounts on potential. Still, I have to assume it's Mowbray's call so hopefully we will see the benefits in the near future. 

Hasn’t he had about 45 minutes in our colours??

 

I want him to start tonight so we can at least BEGIN to have a look.

[Mattyblue]

I’m just talking generally, I’ve not seen Brereton play that role at all.

[philipl]

Far too early to be reaching conclusions even if he had either scored a hat trick or lobbed Raya for an og and kneed the ref in frustration.

Given the leap to judgement so common in Rovers fans, he's making a steady start so far.

[chaddyrovers]

48 minutes ago, DE. said:

To be fair to Brereton he's got 14 years less experience than DG, so I wouldn't expect him to have that same ability as a hold up player. If he did I doubt he would have come here, he'd have been looking at a PL move.

As I've said before, my issue is that if we do spend £6-7m on him on January that's the type of fee that you'd expect an instant impact from. Obviously Brereton is not at that point yet and I'm not sure we're in a position at this point in time to be spending such large amounts on potential. Still, I have to assume it's Mowbray's call so hopefully we will see the benefits in the near future. 

what do mean if? The deal become permanent in January. that's the deal. 

Brereton isn't match fit. 

why do you think it someone else call? Mowbray runs the footballing side of the club and from what I heard him say I don't think he is the type to put up with interfere and someone else telling him what to do. 

[roversfan99]

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

what do mean if? The deal become permanent in January. that's the deal. 

Brereton isn't match fit. 

why do you think it someone else call? Mowbray runs the footballing side of the club and from what I heard him say I don't think he is the type to put up with interfere and someone else telling him what to do. 

It says "I have to assume its Mowbrays call" quite the opposite of saying its someone elses call. 

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

You don’t realise just how good Graham is at doing what he does until someone else is trying to do it...

100% agree. Graham should have the shirt for the time being. He doesnt fit the mantra of a vibrant attacking team, nor does Mulgrew, but the pair not only bring experience but unparalled quality in their positions. Grahams hold up and knock downs are the perfect platform for Dack in particular to thrive off. For me, our 2 most underrated players are our 2 most experienced.

[Bigdoggsteel]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It says "I have to assume its Mowbrays call" quite the opposite of saying its someone elses call. 

100% agree. Graham should have the shirt for the time being. He doesnt fit the mantra of a vibrant attacking team, nor does Mulgrew, but the pair not only bring experience but unparalled quality in their positions. Grahams hold up and knock downs are the perfect platform for Dack in particular to thrive off. For me, our 2 most underrated players are our 2 most experienced.

Completely agree about Graham and Mulgrew. Serious Indian summers going on there. You sum up Grahams contribution perfectly. I would add that Mulgrew is our quarter back, I can't imagine not having a ball playing center half now. In the form he is in, I reckon he could be playing in the Premiership. Nod to some of his wing play against Villa, sublime. Didn't look the most graceful, but Jesus he got the job done on 2 occasions big style. Bet his man well and whipped in great deliveries, one of which we scored from of course. 

[SBlue]

20 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It says "I have to assume its Mowbrays call" quite the opposite of saying its someone elses call. 

100% agree. Graham should have the shirt for the time being. He doesnt fit the mantra of a vibrant attacking team, nor does Mulgrew, but the pair not only bring experience but unparalled quality in their positions. Grahams hold up and knock downs are the perfect platform for Dack in particular to thrive off. For me, our 2 most underrated players are our 2 most experienced.

I agree, but I think Dack can be equally as dangerous threading through and encouraging a bit of tiki taka as he did in the League Cup. I was a little frustrated in the first half vs. Villa at Danny not dropping off the shoulder looking to be played through or dragging the defence around to create space for Armstrong and Dack. His hold up play second half, when things got a bit more industrial, was class of course.

Both tactics can be effective when we have someone with that quality in the No.10 role - tonight I'm looking forward to seeing us try Armstrong again or even Brereton up top. DG can help us close out the 3-0 after 60 mins.

Edited September 18, 2018 by S8 & Blue

[den]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

You don’t realise just how good Graham is at doing what he does until someone else is trying to do it...

He been perfect for us Matty and really should now just be a backup - but his performances don’t allow that. It might be a bit of an overstatement here, but the teams much improved performances coincided with his arrival at Ewood.

I rate the guy very highly. He knows how the game should be played and I’m sure that rubs off on everyone else.

[SBlue]

Just now, den said:

He been perfect for us Matty and really should now just be a backup - but his performances don’t allow that. It might be a bit of an overstatement here, but the teams much improved performances coincided with his arrival at Ewood.

I rate the guy very highly. He knows how the game should be played and I’m sure that rubs off on everyone else.

He's now played more games for us than he has any other club. Didn't expect that when we signed him, certainly.

[DE.]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

what do mean if? The deal become permanent in January. that's the deal. 

Brereton isn't match fit. 

why do you think it someone else call? Mowbray runs the footballing side of the club and from what I heard him say I don't think he is the type to put up with interfere and someone else telling him what to do. 

As far as Venky's are concerned I'm ready for anything. I'm not going to say it's a done deal until the money is sent over. I expect it to be, but until it actually is it's still an if. 

I said I assumed it was Mowbray's call.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

what do mean if? The deal become permanent in January. that's the deal. 

Brereton isn't match fit. 

why do you think it someone else call? Mowbray runs the footballing side of the club and from what I heard him say I don't think he is the type to put up with interfere and someone else telling him what to do. 

Whoever coaches the Young England team must have thought he was match fit last week.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Well it depends. He is fit, but due to a lack of game time, well off the sharpness we will hopefully see after a  few more games 

[blueboy3333]

2 hours ago, den said:

He been perfect for us Matty and really should now just be a backup - but his performances don’t allow that. It might be a bit of an overstatement here, but the teams much improved performances coincided with his arrival at Ewood.

I rate the guy very highly. He knows how the game should be played and I’m sure that rubs off on everyone else.

I said elsewhere he's a bit like Kevin Davies was for Bolton. We play a similar way under Mowbray and Graham is the focal point. What always makes me chuckle is that just before the ball gets to him he does a tiny push in the small of the defenders back (always on the blind side of the ref) and then just casually nods it to a Rovers player. He doesn't even have to jump. Genius!