Ben Brereton Diaz

[Mashed Potatoes]

6 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

He's a fully grown man...a few boos and he breaks down?

Yes all those grown men who commit suicide should just have a cold shower and man up

[Pedro]

1 hour ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Hmmm...I am sure he is in a bit of a crisis.No shame in tears, as far as I am concerned. He is certainly visibly lacking in confidence.

At the moment, he looks shit, I know, but booing aint going to help one bit. 

Playing the poor lad out wide has done it.  It is idiotic.

I honestly think when a new man finally comes in, we'll see the quotes of players 'enjoying training' again and growing in confidence. Mowbray castrates the skill, individuality and belief of young players and (ironically) simply favours ball retention. 

 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

Yes all those grown men who commit suicide should just have a cold shower and man up

Who is talking about suicide? Bit of a leap there. My point that I dont think he is cut out for the ruthless world of football 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Obviously there isn't any shame in tears, it's just people have real issues. An overpaid footballer who doesnt really work very hard doesn't get my sympathy radar going. 

Edited January 4, 2020 by Bigdoggsteel

[G Somerset Rover]

4 minutes ago, Pedro said:

Playing the poor lad out wide has done it.  It is idiotic.

Funnily enough I read a few Forest fans’ views after the game the other day and they said how he went downhill once their gaffer (at the time) started playing him out wide. I’m convinced he’ll never make a footballer full stop, but Mowbray has a hell of a lot to answer for as since day dot he’s persisted with this ‘wide forward’ nonsense.

Edited January 4, 2020 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Who is talking about suicide? Bit of a leap there. My point that I dont think he is cut out for the ruthless world of football 

We are talking about mental health. I have never had a problem with this and I hope you haven't either but I hope those of us who have been fortunate can just try to be a little bit more understanding with men who cry

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

2 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Yes all those grown men who commit suicide should just have a cold shower and man up

Those are strictly your comments not mine nor my beliefs.

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Obviously there isn't any shame in tears, it's just people have real issues. An overpaid footballer who doesnt really work very hard doesn't get my sympathy radar going. 

Come on ; why do you think is he overpaid and not working hard. It looks like his transfer at the price paid has been a terrible mistake but the tears show that he does care.

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 minute ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Those are strictly your comments not mine nor my beliefs.

I'm pleased to hear you don't think like that. 

We shouldn't allow the disagreements about Tony Mowbray's future to extend to a lack of sympathy for a young man who appears to be going through some kind of personal nightmare

[Bigdoggsteel]

7 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

We are talking about mental health. I have never had a problem with this and I hope you haven't either but I hope those of us who have been fortunate can just try to be a little bit more understanding with men who cry

Again,you're taking a leap saying he has mental health issues. You have no clue. I have no issue with men crying , as I said though, people do have real problems. If he's crying because he got booed,he's in the wrong business. If he has something more serious wrong with him,which I dont believe he does, well then he shouldnt be playing. 

Edited January 4, 2020 by Bigdoggsteel

[Pedro]

Just now, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Funnily enough I read a few Forest fans’ views after the game the other day and they said how he went downhill once their gaffer (at the time) started playing him out wide. I’m convinced he’ll never make a footballer full stop, but Mowbray has treated him appallingly since day dot with this wide forward nonsense.

I honestly don't get it.  At times, Antonsson looked pretty good as a left-sided semi-striker - other than that it hasn't worked. It is his preferred tactic and it seems an obsession that Mowbray has to do that with ever striker other than Graham. It's a computer game tactic.

[bluebruce]

7 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Obviously there isn't any shame in tears, it's just people have real issues. An overpaid footballer who doesnt really work very hard doesn't get my sympathy radar going. 

Mental health issues are relative. Some people endure awful personal lives well, whereas some people can be thrown into a tailspin by what are comparatively small issues, but are huge to them. Some people just have their brains take over the whole process and fill them with toxic negativity even when things are going quite well.

Don't judge someone else's experiences when you don't know what they are. I can imagine the pressure of the big money move on a young lad who probably thought he was going to go from strength to strength after the move, only to see it look increasingly like his career is collapsing, the injury when it was coming together for him a bit in pre season, plus moving away from home (I assume) and everyone he was close to, has taken a fair toll on his mind state. Plus whatever else could be going on that we don't know about at all. Sometimes it feels like everything is going against you.

Money doesn't fix everything, not by a long stretch. From what has been reported he isn't on that much in footballing terms anyway. The 'flex', remember?

What I would say is it's not looking good for him if he is currently so low he is in tears at coming off. I fail even more now to see how this is going to turn into an asset gain for the club. But I'm certainly not going to judge him for letting his emotions creep out a bit.

Edited January 4, 2020 by bluebruce

[Bigdoggsteel]

2 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Come on ; why do you think is he overpaid and not working hard. It looks like his transfer at the price paid has been a terrible mistake but the tears show that he does care.

Because I see him playing and he doesn't be busting a gut. The tears dont show he cares to be honest. Trying harder on field would show that. 

[Pedro]

5 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

We are talking about mental health. I have never had a problem with this and I hope you haven't either but I hope those of us who have been fortunate can just try to be a little bit more understanding with men who cry

How about criticizing the literacy skills of young men?

[stinny1]

The lad needs a loan spell away from the club and the suicide bit was a silly

[J*B]

26 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Again,you're taking a leap saying he has mental health issues. You have no clue. I have no issue with men crying , as I said though, people do have real problems. If he's crying because he got booed,he's in the wrong business. If he has something more serious wrong with him,which I dont believe he does, well then he shoulder be playing. 

Have you considered that crying because of boos today could just be the final straw? 

Perhaps he’s very handsomely paid and has a beautiful partner... but loves playing football and his dream move to become a star striker is falling apart because he hasn’t been given opportunities to shine upfront, and when he has it just hasn’t happened for him. 
Perhaps he’s having all sorts of family trouble, Nottingham is just a bit too far away, his partner is staying down there because she can’t do her job up here and doesn’t want to become a wag. 
Perhaps he himself has no idea what’s going wrong. Perhaps he’s up all night worrying because everything he did at Forest that worked brilliantly seems to fail here, and he just can’t understand why. 

Perhaps, just perhaps, despite the 6m transfer and massive wage increase, the promises he was given just haven’t materialised and suddenly the transfer is the single worst thing he’s ever done.

I suggest you read Matt Jansens book when he talks about returning from injury. 

I have edited out my final comment on this post because on reflection it may not have been fair.

 

[DE.]

Not going to happen for the lad here is it? I've said it before but he desperately needs a loan move away from the club as it seems to be dragging him down personally as well as professionally at this point. 

[Mashed Potatoes]

2 minutes ago, CambridgeRover said:

Really well said, at the end of the day the players are human and seeing a young man cry is never a nice sight. A lot of the blame for that falls to Mowbray and the club. Mowbray has never seemed to be caring or supportive of young players. He plays favourite, calls out younger players in the press and just generally seems to be a really poor man manager.

If it is true there were "supporters" booing the primary responsibility falls on them, not the manager.

[tomphil]

Forest ST holder tweeted me ' the only person who thought Ben was a 6 million pound player was Tony Mowbray for some reason' 

Think that says a lot, the reason he thought that are open to close scrutiny now.

I do genuinely feel for the lad, not because he was allegedly scriking but because pf the miss management of it all that's now resulting in all the blame coming his way.

[Silas]

Just now, tomphil said:

Forest ST holder tweeted me ' the only person who thought Ben was a 6 million pound player was Tony Mowbray for some reason' 

Hang on a second, I read their boards when it happened, and not only were a lot of their fans bemoaning him leaving the club, but they were complaining the price was too cheap aswell. 

They rated him pretty highly as a player. One for the future.

So, have we ruined him? Or was he one of those that showed early flashes of promise but they were a false dawn?

[tomphil]

3 minutes ago, Silas said:

Hang on a second, I read their boards when it happened, and not only were a lot of their fans bemoaning him leaving the club, but they were complaining the price was too cheap aswell. 

They rated him pretty highly as a player. One for the future.

So, have we ruined him? Or was he one of those that showed early flashes of promise but they were a false dawn?

From what i remember it was very mixed with the general feeling coming across as one of disappointed to lose him but understandable for that money.

 

[CambridgeRover]

17 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

If it is true there were "supporters" booing the primary responsibility falls on them, not the manager.

Yep agreed. Just taking about the long term failure of the manager to protect players. His recent failed Buckley experiment being another case

[tomphil]

No wonder crowds dwindle it seems you can't now show your displeasure at your inept thousands of pounds per week football team, players, manager without being held accountable for their feelings.

Yet the fans subject to this crap but bound by loyalty regularly get reduced to tears but don't expect similar concerns for their welfare coming their way.

Some might say it's all part and parcel of it all and just get on with it !

Edited January 4, 2020 by tomphil

[davulsukur]

3 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I was all for giving Brereton a chance, but I think he is one if the worst players I have seen in a long time.

Apparently he started crying today when he was booed. People are giving out about the fans. Personally I think its pathetic that an adult man is crying. Every single player gets booed at some point 

Where have you seen that he cried?

[Riverside under the drip]

As a primary teacher, the only suitable analogy I can think of is when Year 5/6 boys are playing football at break and a reception child starts following them. He's not really affecting anything and they just ignore him. Certainly no chance of him getting the ball off them. That's how far off Brereton is from Championship football.