Ben Brereton Diaz

[roversfan99]

Stats such as those on the previous page do not "prove" anything, they can of course be part of someone's opinion, but there are so many factors to them, how they are defined, how their teams play, the role they play specifically etc, they cannot objectively prove whether one player is better defensively or from an attacking sense as a midfielder compared to another one.

For what its worth, I have seen him a fair few times for Preston, he has always looked decent. Nothing outstanding and I'd prefer Travis and Rothwell but a solid Championship midfielder all the same.

[AllRoverAsia]

9 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Such different players Tyrone.  BW dictates the pace of the game...they would play well together...Bucko just ahead of him

That's how I visualised it working

[Sparks Rover]

15 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

That's how I visualised it working

I don't actually think we have a deep lying midfielder who would collect it from the goalie or back 4, turn and start building....that's where I think BW would improve us as a progressive side.

[Bigdoggsteel]

5 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Cos he's a good player

But he couldn't sign him you said ,cos we needed a keeper. Does mowbray just randomly phone up good players for a chat lol 

[Sparks Rover]

40 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

But he couldn't sign him you said ,cos we needed a keeper. Does mowbray just randomly phone up good players for a chat lol 

He had a meeting with mogga and waggo..they wanted to sign him but said once they had sorted a keeper and budget allowing they'd be in.  Obviously they couldn't afford it after that....🤷‍♂️ donny were asking 3m at rhe time...nobbers got him for 1.7m.  That's what happened....

Keeper was critical at the time.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Sparks Rover

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

So much for team spirit. I’m off on a jolly, see you later lads.

[Bigdoggsteel]

10 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

So much for team spirit. I’m off on a jolly, see you later lads.

Ya-it's classic Mowbray laissez fair management 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Ya-it's classic Mowbray laissez fair management 

If anybody thought he might be stopping at Rovers after this Summer,  I think they’ll  know the answer now.

[roversfan99]

Mowbray was saying even before the injury that he needed a rest, he had football during the summer, a short turnover before the season, he has had a few mid season trips to South America, and added to all this, he is probably low after picking up a bad injury. A week off for his mental and physical health whilst his foot is in a protective boot and he cant do anything seems very sensible to me, yet people have to manipulate it into some sort of weak management. Crazy.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Mowbray was saying even before the injury that he needed a rest, he had football during the summer, a short turnover before the season, he has had a few mid season trips to South America, and added to all this, he is probably low after picking up a bad injury. A week off for his mental and physical health whilst his foot is in a protective boot and he cant do anything seems very sensible to me, yet people have to manipulate it into some sort of weak management. Crazy.

He should be back here having treatment on the injury.

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He should be back here having treatment on the injury.

I can't claim to have the physio knowledge to know what exactly can be done on an ankle ligament injury in the first couple of weeks when the foot is in a protective boot.

That being said, for a player who has had minimal breaks in the last couple of years and was showing signs of weariness even before the injury, aswell as presumably being gutted personally, an overdue week off to rest both physically and mentally seems fairly reasonable to me and not some sort of pointer towards managerial weakness.

[rigger]

15 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He should be back here having treatment on the injury.

If Diaz can't play or train, I don't see anything wrong with him taking a holiday.

[Bigdoggsteel]

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I can't claim to have the physio knowledge to know what exactly can be done on an ankle ligament injury in the first couple of weeks when the foot is in a protective boot.

That being said, for a player who has had minimal breaks in the last couple of years and was showing signs of weariness even before the injury, aswell as presumably being gutted personally, an overdue week off to rest both physically and mentally seems fairly reasonable to me and not some sort of pointer towards managerial weakness.

I would have kept him around the group personally 

I don't see what going on holiday accomplishes 

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I would have kept him around the group personally 

I don't see what going on holiday accomplishes 

A physical break having played so much football in the last year without many breaks which was notably taking its toll even before the injury? A mental break to get over the disappointment of being injured and missing a crucial part of the season, as well as a once in a lifetime chance to play at the Maracana?

What use is he moping around not even really able to do any rehab so soon into his recovery? Just to prove that Mowbray isn't laissez-faire?!

 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

A physical break having played so much football in the last year without many breaks which was notably taking its toll even before the injury? A mental break to get over the disappointment of being injured and missing a crucial part of the season, as well as a once in a lifetime chance to play at the Maracana?

What use is he moping around not even really able to do any rehab so soon into his recovery? Just to prove that Mowbray isn't laissez-faire?!

 

You're assuming a lot there about what he is thinking and feeling. 

He could have a rest at home and in and amongst the lads for a few hours every day. They are a team. 

I just don't see the benefit in going off on holidays 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

You're assuming a lot there about what he is thinking and feeling. 

He could have a rest at home and in and amongst the lads for a few hours every day. They are a team. 

I just don't see the benefit in going off on holidays 

It’s the signal it sends to the rest of the group.

[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

You're assuming a lot there about what he is thinking and feeling. 

He could have a rest at home and in and amongst the lads for a few hours every day. They are a team. 

I just don't see the benefit in going off on holidays 

Amongst the lads doing what? He isn't a cheerleader.

Even if we remove the assumption that he is feeling low after getting a bad injury and missing a key period for his club and also a potential once in a lifetime international appearance in Brazil. He has played a lot of football with minimal breaks and Mowbray and many of us on here commented on how tired he has been looking. Surely a week with a mental and physical break far away is just what the doctor ordered.

It's hardly as if he has asked for a jolly up mid season when fully fit and the manager has turned a blind eye to it. 

2 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It’s the signal it sends to the rest of the group.

Surely the intention is for him to come back feeling refreshed and ready to tackle his rehab head on in the right frame of mind to impact the end of our season with a spring in his step?

What do you think they are thinking? 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Amongst the lads doing what? He isn't a cheerleader.

Even if we remove the assumption that he is feeling low after getting a bad injury and missing a key period for his club and also a potential once in a lifetime international appearance in Brazil. He has played a lot of football with minimal breaks and Mowbray and many of us on here commented on how tired he has been looking. Surely a week with a mental and physical break far away is just what the doctor ordered.

It's hardly as if he has asked for a jolly up mid season when fully fit and the manager has turned a blind eye to it. 

Surely the intention is for him to come back feeling refreshed and ready to tackle his rehab head on in the right frame of mind to impact the end of our season with a spring in his step?

What do you think they are thinking? 

I know what I’d be thinking.

[roversfan99]

7 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I know what I’d be thinking.

What?

[Bigdoggsteel]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Amongst the lads doing what? He isn't a cheerleader.

Even if we remove the assumption that he is feeling low after getting a bad injury and missing a key period for his club and also a potential once in a lifetime international appearance in Brazil. He has played a lot of football with minimal breaks and Mowbray and many of us on here commented on how tired he has been looking. Surely a week with a mental and physical break far away is just what the doctor ordered.

It's hardly as if he has asked for a jolly up mid season when fully fit and the manager has turned a blind eye to it. 

Surely the intention is for him to come back feeling refreshed and ready to tackle his rehab head on in the right frame of mind to impact the end of our season with a spring in his step?

What do you think they are thinking? 

Have you ever been on a team? I don't know what you mean by cheerleader, but I have been on teams where players got injured and they stayed around, still came to training, still went to games, even on crutches. Gave support, received support, stayed part of the team. 

You keep saying about not playing against Brazil and it being once in a  lifetime. He's 22 and has his entire international career ahead of him. 

I don't see what physical break he can have off on holidays that he wouldn't be having at home. There is probably more movement involved in going on holidays. 

I'm with Tyrone on this one, the other players are probably looking and thinking why is this lad heading off to the sun? 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

What?

I’de be thinking this guy’s off in Summer. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Have you ever been on a team? I don't know what you mean by cheerleader, but I have been on teams where players got injured and they stayed around, still came to training, still went to games, even on crutches. Gave support, received support, stayed part of the team. 

You keep saying about not playing against Brazil and it being once in a  lifetime. He's 22 and has his entire international career ahead of him. 

I don't see what physical break he can have off on holidays that he wouldn't be having at home. There is probably more movement involved in going on holidays. 

I'm with Tyrone on this one, the other players are probably looking and thinking why is this lad heading off to the sun? 

I’ve had a serious injury and staying part of the team and joining in with the camaraderie makes being injured more bearable.

[roversfan99]

53 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Have you ever been on a team? I don't know what you mean by cheerleader, but I have been on teams where players got injured and they stayed around, still came to training, still went to games, even on crutches. Gave support, received support, stayed part of the team. 

You keep saying about not playing against Brazil and it being once in a  lifetime. He's 22 and has his entire international career ahead of him. 

I don't see what physical break he can have off on holidays that he wouldn't be having at home. There is probably more movement involved in going on holidays. 

I'm with Tyrone on this one, the other players are probably looking and thinking why is this lad heading off to the sun? 

If he has gone away, its probably for a week before coming back and getting involved with the rest of the team again. He was at the (eventually called off) game at the weekend, its a few days away to rest, its hardly leaving the rest of them in the lurch.

I imagine its common and with Brereton, he was looking tired anyway so maybe going to get some sun or whatever is what he needs to have is what he needs, a quick break and then he can begin his rehab. Its a mental break as well as the physical rest, his last 12 months have been so intense.

Ultimately, everything is micro analysed nowadays, to make out that it is weak management is just bizarre to me, looking for reasons to criticise unjustifiably, but seemingly we will not agree on the issue so maybe best to agree to disagree.

52 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I’de be thinking this guy’s off in Summer. 

Off the back of him being given a few days leave on the back of getting a bad injury?

I think its obvious based on his contract that he will leave but I very much doubt that anyones opinion has changed on the back of such a trivial issue.

[chaddyrovers]

16 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

So much for team spirit. I’m off on a jolly, see you later lads.

do you not think Its Mowbray and Rovers who have told him to go and break for a week/10 days? given the injury he has got he will the protective boot on for 3 weeks or so. 

[chaddyrovers]