Mowbray: Stay or go?

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Just now, m1st said:

Really? Surely someone in the club's backroom must keep an eye on this Message Board?

Not saying that he'll act on our suggestions, mind!

I hope not!

[arbitro]

46 minutes ago, deryck guyler's spoon said:

I'm under the impression that Rothwell wasn't getting a game because he was neglecting the ugly side of the game. Isn't it the case that the lad has displayed his abilities of late from a platform of doing the nasty stuff when he doesn't have the ball at his feet?

Having seen every minute of Rothwells games I have seen hardly any evidence that he is doing anything 'ugly' at all. I think Mowbray realised he got too personal after the Sheff Wednesday game when he said he plays like a little boy (or something to that effect). The vast majority of fans are genuinely excited when Rothwell gets the ball and if a small by product of that is that he sometimes doesn't offer cover to a full back then I am happy to to see us taking that risk. Do we want to see a functional Conway or Bennett as opposed to an exciting Rothwell?

Hopefully Mowbray feels the same way.

[Sparks Rover]

1 hour ago, m1st said:

Really? Surely someone in the club's backroom must keep an eye on this Message Board?

Not saying that he'll act on our suggestions, mind!

I'm certain they read this board.

[philipl]

Mowbray's biggest balls up has been going going on these long runs.

If he had mixed up his wins and losses a bit more, he wouldn't have come in for the mounting flak he has and put posters on both sides of the divide feeling they need to justify positions they have had a few weeks to get stuck into.

I am sticking with holding Mowbray to his word of a 60 points total before committing. A target he set just before we off the scale rubbish at home to Stoke...  

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, S8 & Blue said:

That time always put into context Bowyers’ signings for me.

When we were offering inflated wages we signed decent players.

But he used to come out and say “we can only offer 10k a week now” - over 50% of the league pissed their pants and we ended up with Akpan, Koita and Petschi.

 

That's true and for all the good work he did getting rid of expensive deadwood he then began to load his own heap of turd on the club. The 10k thing was a joke really, yes it meant no signings like Graham and Mulgrew but he just signed a load of league one bog standard duff and gave them good championship standard wages.  Look where most of them ended up after their luxury stint here....

He was also very reticent with youth himself given he was a specialist youth coach when all's said and done and I remember a similar situation on here where we were calling for youth to be bloodied in the final games when there was nothing to play for but he himself stuck with his favs.  The view then was orders from above/agents wanting continued exposure and appearances for their clients to watching scouts.

Fact that big sales started in the run up to the next season reinforced this.   Oh dear .....?

[Stuart]

18 minutes ago, philipl said:

Mowbray's biggest balls up has been going going on these long runs.

If he had mixed up his wins and losses a bit more, he wouldn't have come in for the mounting flak he has and put posters on both sides of the divide feeling they need to justify positions they have had a few weeks to get stuck into.

I am sticking with holding Mowbray to his word of a 60 points total before committing. A target he set just before we off the scale rubbish at home to Stoke...  

You’ve got a point. I think his good runs and bad runs have polarised opinion, yes, but as I’ve been saying for some time, Mowbray - like Bowyer before him - is a WDL-man. Over a season that amounts to 61 points and a 12th-16th place finish.

Mowbray’s own target is 60 points. ? 

He needs to raise the bar.

[J*B]

2 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

I'm certain they read this board.

I can categorically guarantee it!

[Stuart]

Just now, J*B said:

I can categorically guarantee it!

Well whoever is reading can tell Waggott that it’s about time he rewarded long-standing season ticket holders for their “commitment”, “loyalty” and “fantastic support”.

Early bird offers are a sham - a price rise disguised as a discount.

[Butty]

Chaddy on twitter calling some people on this forum “deluded”... Nearly spat my Guinness out when I saw that him of all people had said that ? and yes he still tweets Nixon asking for rovers news EVERYDAY.

[Atko's Engine]

11 hours ago, Blue blood said:

Thing is, I'd say your post for Tony, actually says more about his weaknesses than his positives.

Maybe I've tried too hard to show how balanced I am there! I'm conscious that on here there's an expectation that an opinion should be backed by examples (rightly so), and if I ignore TM's downsides whilst preaching about being balanced in judgment of him, then I'm not practising what I preach! 

I take all your points on board. He's frustrating at times and seems overly cautious, but also to be fair to him he's had to cope with different challenges each season. The last part of 16/17 was firefighting to try to prevent relegation, 17/18 was solely about getting promoted from L1, and 18/19 about re-establishing ourselves in the Championship. Each of those challenges required a different tactical approach, different personnel and different styles, which might explain why his stated desire to ultimately play a more attractive style has had to take a back seat, because it doesn't save you in a relegation dogfight (ask Big Sam) and nor does it get you promotion from L1; there are too many "agricultural" teams there.

Next season will be the first season TM starts with us in the same division we competed in the season before.  That consistency allows him to build on what he learnt from the previous season as to what works in this division, what doesn't work & where he needs to improve. 

I guess ultimately many of us will have to agree to disagree. I think we all accept, grudgingly or not, that he is staying, so maybe this thread should be closed until 10 games into next season when the direction things are heading in will be a lot clearer!

[blueboy3333]

9 minutes ago, Butty said:

Chaddy on twitter calling some people on this forum “deluded”... Nearly spat my Guinness out when I saw that him of all people had said that ? and yes he still tweets Nixon asking for rovers news EVERYDAY.

I think these are Parsons mates taking the site too seriously. He needs to have a word. 

[blueboy3333]

5 hours ago, J*B said:

I can categorically guarantee it!

In what context? They contact you? 

[tomphil]

Next season will be the first he's had a proper platform to work from so we'll see what he's really all about and also if there is genuine ambition from the ownership.

[47er]

10 hours ago, Stuart said:

Not in my opinion, and it’s rather rich to even suggest that after the way both have been treated. Johnson and Dunn get the credit for Trav, whereas Rothwell is a good player in spite of Mowbray. The latter will be dropped at the earliest excuse - probably for not tracking back to avoid exposing our shaky full backs.

Now, if he can build a team around the two of them, bringing in a new CF, CB and GK then just maybe he has woken up. However, I don’t believe he will and the fact that we have needed the CB and GK for the last two windows and haven’t looked at either suggests Mowbray doesn’t see it.

In danger of being an amateur trying to teach a professional how to do his job there Stuart!    

[47er]

Just now, 47er said:

In danger of being an amateur trying to teach a professional how to do his job there Stuart!    

Good to see a sense of humour here tonygreenbank. But while you're lurking how about that apology you owe me?

[JBiz]

11 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Next season will be the first he's had a proper platform to work from so we'll see what he's really all about and also if there is genuine ambition from the ownership.

Very true, next year is the best platform we’ve had to move forward since GBs days.

The frustration I have with the discussion here, many seem to be ignorant of how we’ve been put in this position.

[scotchrover]

8 hours ago, Stuart said:

You’ve got a point. I think his good runs and bad runs have polarised opinion, yes, but as I’ve been saying for some time, Mowbray - like Bowyer before him - is a WDL-man. Over a season that amounts to 61 points and a 12th-16th place finish.

Mowbray’s own target is 60 points. ? 

He needs to raise the bar.

WDL? We’ve drawn once this year(2019), and that was way back in February. In addition to that, if you look at last year, that wasn’t very Bowyer-like either. 

60 points is a great return for the first season back- Rome wasn’t built in a day afterall.

 

[SBlue]

“No one was expecting him to build it in a day, but now he’s got some of the materials together I can’t believe that he didn’t build it in a day”

[AllRoverAsia]

4 hours ago, Butty said:

Chaddy on twitter calling some people on this forum “deluded”... Nearly spat my Guinness out when I saw that him of all people had said that ? and yes he still tweets Nixon asking for rovers news EVERYDAY.

What are the final words in maestro Chaddy's Twit ''and the site is only ??''

Good to see he believes and trusts in Polls! I wonder how long he spent canvassing his mates.

[Oldgregg86]

Can I have a go.

Rome wasn't built in a day but Tony has managed to get most of it done in an afternoon but decides to takes the rest of the week off. 

After several months everyone has thanked Tony for what he did up to now but wants to know when he plans on putting the roofs on. He reminds everyone he has built a city before and it will take time find the right material for the roof. The people believe him, after all, he has built some solid foundations. Some of the town's people remind the villagers who the contractors are and the foundations are on dodgy ground and people are over looking the fact that rome is being built on swamp land.

Severel months pass and the people are still asking when is the roof going to be finished. Tony reminds them whilst he could put down the lemon drizzle and build roofs for everyone he is contracted until 2022 and is in no rush to finish what he started, pointing to what it was like before he did start building.

The apathetic people go back to there homes not really knowing if he has scouted the right materials for a roof and how long they are going to have to sit with rain lashing down on them.

The village idiot, a man called chabby. Tells everyone it's all fine he's done a great job. The people remind him of last time he came shouting in the street , before pointing to why Rome had burned down in the first place. Chabby pointed to a letter that Steve maggot had put the council tax up for people who pay monthly. Chabby laughed at people complaining and showed everyone how he paid for the whole year before sloping off to take his misses for a romantic tuesday fingering in one of Tony's unfinished buildings.

Time drags on and on. The damage being caused by the element due to there being no roof is becoming evident. People are getting concerned and ask Tony why he hasn't put a roof on when he had done the hard work and was sat eating lemon drizzle. Tony answered as usual by sayings it takes time to find the right materials and blamed a man named Joe frothwell for being to flamboyant with his crazy paving and spilling cement behind him.

Unrest grows. The houses are badly damaged due to being exposed to the elements so long. Tonys better builders find work elsewhere as there tired of sitting watching him eat biscuits and not fix the problems. The city starts to collapse and all the hard work at the beginning was for nothing. 

Chabby points to the foundations that have remained intact and which weren't there before Tony came but the people are angry after living for three years with no roof and now have to wait for a new contractor to start again and hopefully build a city, not pocket the upfront cash, go  on sky sports news crying  and slither back into the under growth.

After a good start , Rome wasn't built in a day, it never got finished and eventually collapsed killing all the people with it.

Happy Easter everyone 

Edited April 22, 2019 by Oldgregg86

[AllRoverAsia]

That bloke Chabby sounds like a right Builders Tool.

[Stuart]

8 hours ago, Butty said:

Chaddy on twitter calling some people on this forum “deluded”... Nearly spat my Guinness out when I saw that him of all people had said that ? and yes he still tweets Nixon asking for rovers news EVERYDAY.

What a man-child. Copying and pasting forum posts onto Twitter for likes (from Chaddy). Folk who are banned shouldn’t even have access to the site to help them avoid the temptation for copyright theft.

It’d be interesting to know how Chaddy has worked out that 90% of fans are on Mowbray’s side though? The only poll I have seen was 2 to 1 against right until he started winning a few now it’s “only” 57:43 against.

At least he has plenty of time on his hands now to harangue Nixon for Rovers stories every day.

And James Wilkinson, so you have something else to screenshot to your 8 fans, I stand by my comment that the club is no different while Venkys are here. If you think otherwise and that somehow Mowbray has turned this club into a normal functioning one then I suggest you are the deluded one. Bought your season ticket yet?

[Bigdoggsteel]

Quotes from Mowbray in the LT saying he is going to India after the last game of the season to see what the owners "ambitions" are for the club

So we are where we always are. Playing catch up to the prepared teams whose owners have a long term vision clearly laid out. 

We have known we will be in this division for over a week now. Why does he have to wait until the end of the season to seek clarity on their ambitions? It's all very frustrating 

 

Edited April 22, 2019 by Bigdoggsteel

[Stuart]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Quotes from Mowbray in the LT saying he is going to India after the last game of the season to see what the owners "ambitions" are for the club

So we are where we always are. Playing catch up to the prepared teams whose owners have a clear vision clearly laid out. 

We have known we will be in this division for a over a week now. Why does he have to wait until the end of the season to seek clarity on their ambitions? It's all very frustrating 

 

No, no. We are now a normal functioning club because of Mowbray - James Wilkinson told his groupies on Twitter.

Are you sure you’ve read it right?

[Norbert Rassragr]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Quotes from Mowbray in the LT saying he is going to India after the last game of the season to see what the owners "ambitions" are for the club

So we are where we always are. Playing catch up to the prepared teams whose owners have a clear vision clearly laid out. 

We have known we will be in this division for a over a week now. Why does he have to wait until the end of the season to seek clarity on their ambitions? It's all very frustrating 

 

And why can't it be done tomorrow via Skype or suchlike in that time? Does Balaji prefer managers to see his side boobs in person? Real teams would probably be looking around for players now, whilst there are still games to watch.