Championship season 2019-20

[MarkBRFC]

Well it won't be us, I can't imagine venkys will ever put us in administration.

[Waggy76]

11 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Well it won't be us, I can't imagine venkys will ever put us in administration.

I would be surprised , not sure Venkys want to many people looking into their books. 

Edited July 5, 2020 by Waggy76

[Amo]

10 hours ago, Waggy76 said:

I would be surprised , not sure Venkys want to many people looking into their books. 

Venky's have now owned us longer than Uncle Jack did, despite being the very antithesis in every way. 

What are they still doing here? What could they possibly be getting out of this?

Do they actually own the club or is this just one giant ponzi scheme for footy agents?

[phili]

13 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Sheff Wed rumours keep popping up on Twitter.

As do Reading. Looks like it’s largely down to them having an even more ridiculous wages to turnover ratio than us than anything concrete.

I have heard there are presently 30 clubs in League 1 and 2 who are looking into administration as well as 7 Championship clubs.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 hours ago, phili said:

I have heard there are presently 30 clubs in League 1 and 2 who are looking into administration as well as 7 Championship clubs.

How long can clubs carry on paying out daft wages with minimal income ? Especially teams in our league who are having to play behind closed doors. If next season has to carry on like this season those numbers may well be correct

Edited July 6, 2020 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

How long can clubs carry on paying out daft wages with minimal income ? Especially teams in our league who are having to play behind closed doors. If next season has to carry on like this season those numbers may well be correct

They were some discussions about allow some fans into ground at lower league clubs when it just 25 to 40% of their capacity 

[philipl]

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

They were some discussions about allow some fans into ground at lower league clubs when it just 25 to 40% of their capacity 

That would be brilliant for Rovers

[Claytons Left Boot]

Just been on North West Tonight that there are around thirty parties interested in buying Wigan Athletic. They reckon about five of those will be serious. Already spoken to two, who appear to have the money and are also reasonably local to the town.

If Venky’s were willing to write off a huge chunk of the money they have invested and put us up for sale at around the £20-25m mark (recouping their initial outlay), there is no reason why we could not attract similar, if not more, interest. We are a much ‘bigger’ club than Wigan in all aspects. 

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 hour ago, Claytons Left Boot said:

Just been on North West Tonight that there are around thirty parties interested in buying Wigan Athletic. They reckon about five of those will be serious. Already spoken to two, who appear to have the money and are also reasonably local to the town.

If Venky’s were willing to write off a huge chunk of the money they have invested and put us up for sale at around the £20-25m mark (recouping their initial outlay), there is no reason why we could not attract similar, if not more, interest. We are a much ‘bigger’ club than Wigan in all aspects. 

That's known as a "Big If"

[Claytons Left Boot]

32 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

That's known as a "Big If"

True but if the status quo remains, they will never recoup the £130-150m they have ‘invested’ so far. With another ten years of their tenure, that figure will have risen to probably north of £200m. I, along with thousands of others, wish I knew what they were up to.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, Claytons Left Boot said:

True but if the status quo remains, they will never recoup the £130-150m they have ‘invested’ so far. With another ten years of their tenure, that figure will have risen to probably north of £200m. I, along with thousands of others, wish I knew what they were up to.

Completely agree. 

[Stuart]

11 hours ago, phili said:

I have heard there are presently 30 clubs in League 1 and 2 who are looking into administration as well as 7 Championship clubs.

I’m surprised all of the clubs haven’t come to an agreement... everyone going into admin at the same time but agreeing not to poach each other’s players.

Immoral, perhaps, especially to affected non-football creditors but it might just be the reset that saves L1 and L2.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, Stuart said:

I’m surprised all of the clubs haven’t come to an agreement... everyone going into admin at the same time but agreeing not to poach each other’s players.

Immoral, perhaps, especially to affected non-football creditors but it might just be the reset that saves L1 and L2.

Owners lose control of the club if they go into administration - you don't do it lightly.

[chaddyrovers]

Local paper in Bristol is reporting that this is criteria for next head coach at Bristol City. Including developing their young players like Max O'Leary, Taylor Moore and Liam Walsh. City are placing emphasis on the desire to appoint a hands-on coach who focus their work on the technical day-to-day aspects at Failand and on matchday, and not an old-style manager who has influence in other departments. Could look to appoint overseas manager. 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/chris-hughton-interested-bristol-city-4299689

If Bristol City follow through with the above proposals then would McCarthy and Hughton be interest in a head coach role? 

Edited July 6, 2020 by chaddyrovers

[roversfan99]

When clubs start being really specific with what they want, specific players being brough through, style of play etc it can often spell disaster. What happened to wanting a manager to get results first and foremost?

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

When clubs start being really specific with what they want, specific players being brough through, style of play etc it can often spell disaster. What happened to wanting a manager to get results first and foremost?

Like article says they want someone who will develop their young players. Plus players who have 1 year left on the contract likely to be sold. They dont want old school manager who gets involve in everything. Guess that's their owner choice. We see how successful it is

[Sparks Rover]

Hughton interested in the Bristol City job.....while we bumble along, they are looking to next season. 

[phili]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Like article says they want someone who will develop their young players. Plus players who have 1 year left on the contract likely to be sold. They dont want old school manager who gets involve in everything. Guess that's their owner choice. We see how successful it is

It is the Brentford approach, head coach looks after team, training, day to day etc, DOF looks after the strategic areas. Do Bristol City have a DOF?

 

I also see that Brentford have now brought in specific coaches for the defence, set pieces (both attack and defending) and link up play etc.

[chaddyrovers]

 

15 minutes ago, phili said:

It is the Brentford approach, head coach looks after team, training, day to day etc, DOF looks after the strategic areas. Do Bristol City have a DOF?

They have a head of football operations. 

From reading the link I posted yesterday sounds like they want a head coach. Not a manager who looks after all aspects of the football operations. 

[roversfan99]

9 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Like article says they want someone who will develop their young players. Plus players who have 1 year left on the contract likely to be sold. They dont want old school manager who gets involve in everything. Guess that's their owner choice. We see how successful it is

What if a new manager came in and didnt rate those young players highlighted? Would he still be obliged to use them? If our next manager was told implicitly that he had to play the youngsters, and we dropped from mid table where we are currently to nearer the relegation zone, would you be like "at least hes playing the kids?" Would you balls, youd be thinkingvwhy does he keep losing. Its a load of rubbish.

Perfect example is Middlesbrough. They had a manager in Pulis who focuses on results at all costs, style etc very much secondary. That being said, he didnt totally abandon the thought of academy players and brought Lewis Wing through, playing him regularly, and Tavernier on occasion. He went at the end of the season, people fell for the idea of passing football and kids throughout the team, they had players like Pears in goal who made mistakes but he had to play kids so their 1m goalkeeper sat on the bench, they dropped like a stone, had to get rid of the young manager and go and appoint Warnock who is right back to the Pulis type of manager focusing solely on results.

Edited July 7, 2020 by roversfan99

[Ewood Ace]

9 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Like article says they want someone who will develop their young players. Plus players who have 1 year left on the contract likely to be sold. They dont want old school manager who gets involve in everything. Guess that's their owner choice. We see how successful it is

It's all well and good until reality dawns and the young players are found not to be good enough. As Middlesbrough have found out to their cost.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Ewood Ace

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

What if a new manager came in and didnt rate those young players highlighted? Would he still be obliged to use them? If our next manager was told implicitly that he had to play the youngsters, and we dropped from mid table where we are currently to nearer the relegation zone, would you be like "at least hes playing the kids?" Would you balls, youd be thinkingvwhy does he keep losing. Its a load of rubbish.

That's why you would asked that question in the interview stage about his opinions on young players and youth setup. 

Rovers and other clubs will be looking to bring through youth players more and more. Rovers have some good talent young players coming through and hopefully we see them in the 1st team in the coming years. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Perfect example is Middlesbrough. They had a manager in Pulis who focuses on results at all costs, style etc very much secondary. That being said, he didnt totally abandon the thought of academy players and brought Lewis Wing through, playing him regularly, and Tavernier on occasion. He went at the end of the season, people fell for the idea of passing football and kids throughout the team, they had players like Pears in goal who made mistakes but he had to play kids so their 1m goalkeeper sat on the bench, they dropped like a stone, had to get rid of the young manager and go and appoint Warnock who is right back to the Pulis type of manager focusing solely on results.

Yes Boro are a good case but it's what their owner want to bring in young players more and more. And spend less on wages and fees over a period of time. He did the same thing when Strachan spend millions after millions and didnt get promote. Then he cut the budget under Mowbray. 

Their owner appointed Woodgate and I was told he was getting the job before the end of last season. 

 

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

What if a new manager came in and didnt rate those young players highlighted? Would he still be obliged to use them? If our next manager was told implicitly that he had to play the youngsters, and we dropped from mid table where we are currently to nearer the relegation zone, would you be like "at least hes playing the kids?" Would you balls, youd be thinkingvwhy does he keep losing. Its a load of rubbish.

Perfect example is Middlesbrough. They had a manager in Pulis who focuses on results at all costs, style etc very much secondary. That being said, he didnt totally abandon the thought of academy players and brought Lewis Wing through, playing him regularly, and Tavernier on occasion. He went at the end of the season, people fell for the idea of passing football and kids throughout the team, they had players like Pears in goal who made mistakes but he had to play kids so their 1m goalkeeper sat on the bench, they dropped like a stone, had to get rid of the young manager and go and appoint Warnock who is right back to the Pulis type of manager focusing solely on results.

Bang on.

It seems at some point in the last 5-10 years the ideal football manager template has completely changed.

Once upon a time it was go and appoint the best qualified man for the role with the best track record and let him get on with getting results however he sees fit.

It seems due to a combination of Brentford envy, influx of foreigners, people on their laptops playing football manager and the age Old desire to 'bring through the youngsters' that nowadays different is better.

If you are foreign, untried, untested, have worked in a youth team or have a reputation for nice football you are ideal.

If you are British, over the age of 50, been around numerous clubs and focus on short term results then no good.

Some people never learn. Including our owners.

[roversfan99]

45 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

That's why you would asked that question in the interview stage about his opinions on young players and youth setup. 

Rovers and other clubs will be looking to bring through youth players more and more. Rovers have some good talent young players coming through and hopefully we see them in the 1st team in the coming years. 

 

 

36 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes Boro are a good case but it's what their owner want to bring in young players more and more. And spend less on wages and fees over a period of time. He did the same thing when Strachan spend millions after millions and didnt get promote. Then he cut the budget under Mowbray. 

Their owner appointed Woodgate and I was told he was getting the job before the end of last season. 

 

I think ultimately you are one of the many who when a chairman or a manager starts talking about all of these attractive side objectives, fancy football and playing the kids, that you start lapping it up. If and when results nosedive as a result, with managers focusing too much on that preset objective of bringing in the kids through, what happens? Fans soon lose patience and trust in the manager, the chairman sacks him when results go past a certain point. 

The primary objective always is and always should be results. @JHRover brilliantly sums it up. If you can do it bringing through plenty of academy graduates, if you can do it playing attractive football, all the better. If not, what is the priority? Results.