Tony Mowbray Discussion

[tomphil]

He and the team have treated these games like pre season friendlies after the first sprightly game back.  We were ONE point off the play offs for crying out loud. Absolutely nothing to lose just have a go at it but no he has to have them bumbling along like rabbits in headlights.

Yes lost to a good side today and some fighting for points but we are supposed to be fighting for a top 6 spot. If you can't motivate your team in such a good position and just go for it or go down fighting then sorry but what's the point ?

Those who remember when we were last similar to what we are now will recall that under Don Mackay this is when we stepped up to the plate. Didn't make it through the play offs because we weren't strong enough the best 11 picked itself. I can cast iron guarantee that he'd have had this lot getting into the play offs are at least die trying. I can also guarantee that this fella taking over a Mackay side in similar situation would end up with us 12th.

This lot now exist just to look after each other.

ENOUGH !

 

Edited July 4, 2020 by tomphil

[Ewood Ace]

He now needs maximum points from the final 5 games in order to hit his 70 Points target.

[oldjamfan1]

Tony is going to do the right thing and hand his notice in tonight. 

[Sparks Rover]

Just now, oldjamfan1 said:

Tony is going to do the right thing and hand his notice in tonight. 

Cake order to the missus for Monday lunch whist drive....

[joey_big_nose]

I think we have a decent chance of getting a good manager in. Spine of the squad is strong (Lenihan-Travis-Dack-Armstrong) with some good young players coming through (Nyambe, Buckley, Davenport) and some good supporting players (Evans, Downing, Holtby). A lot of managers would look at that squad and think they can do something with it.

In a way I feel bad for Mowbray. He's done a lot of good things. But transfers since we came up we have been really poor - not managing to address key areas of the team like striker and centre back and wasting a lot of money. Also tactically what he has tried has not worked at all.

We're a solid mid table side so he has improved us over where we were when he arrived. But I do fear we will start to go backwards next year unless we make a change.

I think he's jumped the shark now, and its just a matter of time.

[rigger]

Just now, oldjamfan1 said:

Tony is going to do the right thing and hand his notice in tonight. 

Please be true

[oldjamfan1]

Just now, Sparks Rover said:

Cake order to the missus for Monday lunch whist drive....

I missed out the bit at the beginning and end of my post “Dear Lord, please ensure”.......”Amen”??

Edited July 4, 2020 by oldjamfan1

[OldEwoodBlue]

 

Playing with no centre forward.

Mowbray using his genius-insanity gene to maximum effect.

We tried this at the start of the season and we were averaging 1 shot on target every 2 games if you remember.

Mowbray said he was playing with nobody in the middle before the season started. It's dumb and doesn't work.

 

Walton just as bad as all our previous keepers....common denominator....Ben Benson the GK coach who never played himself. Funny at the drinks break he had a flip pad and was instructing outfield players. What a setup.

 

Can't win football matches with no Keeper and no Centre Forward.

[Sparks Rover]

Just now, joey_big_nose said:

 

In a way I feel bad for Mowbray. He's done a lot of good things. and its just a matter of time.

I can't feel bad for him because I feel he is hamstringing the team on purpose. No excuses for that.

[rigger]

Just now, OldEwoodBlue said:

 

Playing with no centre forward.

Mowbray using his genius-insanity gene to maximum effect.

We tried this at the start of the season and we were averaging 1 shot on target every 2 games if you remember.

Mowbray said he was playing with nobody in the middle before the season started. It's dumb and doesn't work.

 

Walton just as bad as all our previous keepers....common denominator....Ben Benson the GK coach who never played himself. Funny at the drinks break he had a flip pad and was instructing outfield players. What a setup.

 

Can't win football matches with no Keeper and no Centre Forward.

I totally agree with your point about our goalkeeping coach

[DE.]

What worries me about TM leaving is that because we have this outdated structure where everything at the club revolves around the manager, his departure means we essentially start from scratch. Theoretically the new manager could pick up where TM left off as far as scouting initiatives, etc, are concerned, but it makes it a lot harder for the new incumbent to hit the ground running when he has so many tasks to deal with. If we were smart we would have evolved the structure of the club to allow seamless transition between managers, but we have the exact opposite which makes things a lot more difficult - and that isn't even taking into account the likelihood of our owners hiring another dud like Coyle. 

Edited July 4, 2020 by DE.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

13 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I’m not a betting man, but I wouldn’t bet on us winning a game in what remains of this season. 
We look terrible.

Make some money from the pain at least! 

[rigger]

Just now, DE. said:

What worries me about TM leaving is that because we have this outdated structure where everything at the club revolves around the manager, his departure means we essentially start from scratch. Theoretically the new manager could pick up where TM left off as far as scouting initiatives, etc, are concerned, but it makes it a lot harder for the new incumbent to hit the ground running when he has so many tasks to deal with. If we were smart we would have evolved the structure of the club to allow seamless transition between managers, but we have the exact opposite which makes thing a lot more difficult - and that isn't even taking into account the likelihood of our owners hiring another dud like Coyle. 

Just because it is difficult, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done

[superniko]

If Tony does go (I can’t see it happening myself) then I don’t want us to go anywhere near the revolving failures (Pulis, Hughes and the likes). It’s not progressive in any way.
Look at Nuno and Bielsa who came to the Championship, albeit for much richer clubs, even Wagner taking Hudds up, or Farke taking Norwich up.  

[DE.]

2 minutes ago, rigger said:

Just because it is difficult, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done

I agree, I want him gone at this point, but I don't think it's going to be the answer to all our problems. The issues unfortunately run much deeper than Tony Mowbray. 

[simongarnerisgod]

Walton just as bad as all our previous keepers....common denominator....Ben Benson the GK coach who never played himself. Funny at the drinks break he had a flip pad and was instructing outfield players. What a setup.

this ben benson fellow is symptom of why we are such a mess,how can a coach who`s never played football coach a professional,technically i could read a textbook and take a few exams on plumbing but it would be meaningless because i would`nt have the experience to fit someones boiler,it would lead to a mess,same situation at brockhall,he possibly could be there because he`s a nice chap and we know how tony likes nice people round him

[tomphil]

In rebuilding the inside of the club it also means it's pretty much stitched up in the managers favour. Only India trumps his word and only India can trump him.

Dangerous turf because it makes change without fallout very difficult.  Football clubs in the main are and should always be structured in a way that allows big change within because the nature of the game makes it inevitable.

Not here though they want a group of people running it like a franchise sponsored by them.

[aletheia]

22 minutes ago, oldjamfan1 said:

Tony is going to do the right thing and hand his notice in tonight. 

A perfect Rovers post - it’s the hope that kills you.?

[Leonard Venkhater]

14 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Make some money from the pain at least! 

That you, Bala?

[Norbert Rassragr]

My dad should be the goalkeeping coach. Sure he only played one game in goal, in a charity match in Hong Kong, and only because he didn't fancy running around in 30+ Celsius heat but he kept a clean sheet against John Spencer and Dale Tempest.

[OldEwoodBlue]

I'm not advocating we get Joe Hart....

but can you imagine Joe Hart turning up for work with his England caps and PL winners medals to be told how to be a be a better goalkeeper by Ben Benson.

It just can't work.

[Claytons Left Boot]

25 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

 Spine of the squad is strong (Lenihan-Travis-Dack-Armstrong) with some good young players coming through (Nyambe, Buckley, Davenport) and some good supporting players (Evans, Downing, Holtby). A lot of managers would look at that squad and think they can do something with it.

The spine of the squad is really Keeper, Centre Half, Central Midfielder and forward. Walton is a very poor keeper at this level and Armstrong’s goal ratio is one in four, ie. eleven or twelve a season and not prolific enough. 
 

I agree with Lenihan and say Dack/Travis.

[davulsukur]

3 defeats in a row, incredibly likely to be 5 after the next 2.

Its abundantly clear that Mowbray isn't taking this squad any further. He's signed 2 absolute dollopers in Gallagher and Brereton and hampers Gallagher further by shunting him RW. 

And his binning of Raya for Walton is looking like the worst piece of business yet.

Mowbray is stubborn and won't change, so as a result we aren't miraculously going to become a force to be reckoned with.

Times up, he needs to go.

Edited July 4, 2020 by davulsukur

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

How many of our better players are going to hang around for another season of this dross ?

[tomphil]

20 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

Walton just as bad as all our previous keepers....common denominator....Ben Benson the GK coach who never played himself. Funny at the drinks break he had a flip pad and was instructing outfield players. What a setup.

this ben benson fellow is symptom of why we are such a mess,how can a coach who`s never played football coach a professional,technically i could read a textbook and take a few exams on plumbing but it would be meaningless because i would`nt have the experience to fit someones boiler,it would lead to a mess,same situation at brockhall,he possibly could be there because he`s a nice chap and we know how tony likes nice people round him

Well brought up point there just why is the goalkeeping coach instructing outfield players ?  Why does Mowbray put so much stock in the players sorting things themselves and why are there so many so called seniors so influential ?

Mulgrew, Bennett, Smallwood, Graham seem to run the show at times if you listen to some of his interviews. Just what do Mowbray and Venus do ?

Too many cooks might explain the hotch potch tactics, too many having an input no wonder it all looks so confusing. I'm beginning to think uncle Tony is a very weak manager.