Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Mashed Potatoes]

7 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Playing assets although the prices aren't likely to be what they might have been.

I think a lot of clubs might be battening down the hatches this summer but then again if you are ambitious that will open up doors.

I concur but if nobody's buying there's nothing to sell.

[tomphil]

5 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

I concur but if nobody's buying there's nothing to sell.

It could be a buyers market though.

[Mashed Potatoes]

If you've got something to buy with.

[Angry_Pirate]

20 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

If you've got something to buy with.

Maybe we could sell one of our 2 defenders for peanuts to afford another non-goal scoring striker that transitions  to play left wing?

[tomphil]

26 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

If you've got something to buy with.

Dependent on the budget the freeing up of deadwood might allow the wages of one decent bargain to be snapped up. That's the kind of wheeling and dealing good strong managers do.

Weak ones waste money on their favs and their pals pals.

Over to Tony.

[Oldgregg86]

48 minutes ago, Angry_Pirate said:

Maybe we could sell one of our 2 defenders for peanuts to afford another non-goal scoring striker that transitions  to play left wing?

Don’t even joke about that

[tomphil]

3 things that will end up defining this season

In no particular order......

1)  The poor efforts in losing 3 in a row after lockdown and the good start.  Having got yourselves in a good position with not many left and nothing to fear in 2 of them you simply have to go for it.  We didn't, end of.

2)  The loss of Dack - Whilst i don't adhere to the assumption we'd be loads of points better off as it's never that simplistic i'm pretty confident we'd have at least 3 more.

3)  The 5 million wasted following on from the silly punt the summer before.  Wrong player, wrong position...again.

 

[Ewood Ace]

Set himself a target of 70 points minimum and has failed.

[philipl]

Mowbray has signed four players (Holtby, Rothwell, Brereton, Gallagher) who all play their best football in the same position- Dack's position.

[MarkBRFC]

3 hours ago, philipl said:

Mowbray has signed four players (Holtby, Rothwell, Brereton, Gallagher) who all play their best football in the same position- Dack's position.

I'm not sure Gallagher is a number 10.

I remain convinced that Brereton & Gallagher were signed to learn "our way of playing" as Mowbray always puts it, in view to replacing the Dack/Graham partnership from the 20/21 season.

[Stuart]

3 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

I'm not sure Gallagher is a number 10.

I remain convinced that Brereton & Gallagher were signed to learn "our way of playing" as Mowbray always puts it, in view to replacing the Dack/Graham partnership from the 20/21 season.

If Dack is being replaced by Rothwell/Holtby and Graham is being replaced by Gallagher/Brereton, then Dack’s injury and Graham’s age should have provided a great opportunity to get them used to that this season. Instead he has played all four of them predominantly as wide forwards - to poor effect.

Personally I’m with @philipl and would expand to say that we’ve not really had much of a plan at all. They just became available. Gally in particular was an ex-loanee so “knew the club”. Rothwell and Holtby were opportune. Brereton is the only curious one. Certainly an investment given his pedigree as an England youth international but how many of those have failed to kick on? The price tag alone may have ruined that lad because of the expectation. Especially when it was one the club couldn’t afford.

[MarkBRFC]

37 minutes ago, Stuart said:

If Dack is being replaced by Rothwell/Holtby and Graham is being replaced by Gallagher/Brereton, then Dack’s injury and Graham’s age should have provided a great opportunity to get them used to that this season. Instead he has played all four of them predominantly as wide forwards - to poor effect.

Personally I’m with @philipl and would expand to say that we’ve not really had much of a plan at all. They just became available. Gally in particular was an ex-loanee so “knew the club”. Rothwell and Holtby were opportune. Brereton is the only curious one. Certainly an investment given his pedigree as an England youth international but how many of those have failed to kick on? The price tag alone may have ruined that lad because of the expectation. Especially when it was one the club couldn’t afford.

I think Brereton replacing Dack & Gallagher replacing Graham ready for next season was the initial thinking behind signing them both in 2018 & 19 respectively, but in between that it seems to have all gone to pot with Mowbray constantly changing formation and personnel, plus the fact that the two mentioned have ended up being terrible signings.

[RoversClitheroe]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

I think Brereton replacing Dack & Gallagher replacing Graham ready for next season was the initial thinking behind signing them both in 2018 & 19 respectively, but in between that it seems to have all gone to pot with Mowbray constantly changing formation and personnel, plus the fact that the two mentioned have ended up being terrible signings.

Agreed.

Mowbrays constant Tombola has destroyed both of those boys confidence and made them look completely ineffectual.

Mismanagement being the main issue.

Edited July 13, 2020 by RoversClitheroe

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, philipl said:

Mowbray has signed four players (Holtby, Rothwell, Brereton, Gallagher) who all play their best football in the same position- Dack's position.

Brereton and Gallagher aren't a number 10 

[roversfan99]

29 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Agreed.

Mowbrays constant Tombola has destroyed both of those boys confidence and made them look completely ineffectual.

Mismanagement being the main issue.

Were Gallagher and Brereton particularly good players when we signed them? I would suggest not.

Not saying that Mowbray should have ever played them wide but I don't think they could go somewhere else and tear it up.

[RoversClitheroe]

52 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Were Gallagher and Brereton particularly good players when we signed them? I would suggest not.

Not saying that Mowbray should have ever played them wide but I don't think they could go somewhere else and tear it up.

Enough to score 10 goals you'd have thought/hoped. But Mowbray chooses to play them out of position

[Stuart]

6 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

I think Brereton replacing Dack & Gallagher replacing Graham ready for next season was the initial thinking behind signing them both in 2018 & 19 respectively, but in between that it seems to have all gone to pot with Mowbray constantly changing formation and personnel, plus the fact that the two mentioned have ended up being terrible signings.

I’d honestly be surprised if Brereton was bought to replace Dack, Mark. Unless nobody did any scouting on him. He is nothing like a Dack replacement. Again, this would have meant a change of style.

But let’s say I’m wrong. As soon as Dack got injured Mowbray should have put his faith in Brereton to take his place. Not sure what went through Mowbray’s mind you play him wide but as you say, it very much went to pot.

[Exiled in Toronto]

While I think his time is up due to his non-firing star strikers, it is noticeable oh here that issues labelled as clearly due to his incompetence never gets a favourable mention when they go away. I was struck by Sharp’s observation that we are only one of two teams to not let in any goals at all throughout the season after the 85th minute, whereas last season, when we constantly let in late goals, it was entirely due to a rubbish fitness regime and tactical incompetence.

This seasons bête noir of giving away early leads I suspect will turn out to be mainly due to having a shite keeper than anything else.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

18 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Enough to score 10 goals you'd have thought/hoped. But Mowbray chooses to play them out of position

Regarding Brererton, what would you say his natural position was ?

[rigger]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Regarding Brererton, what would you say his natural position was ?

Next to someone who tells him what to do 

[47er]

18 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Regarding Brererton, what would you say his natural position was ?

Left back at Notts Forest!

[MarkBRFC]

34 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Regarding Brererton, what would you say his natural position was ?

I'd personally say someone who plays off the front, he's certainly not a leader of the line from what I have seen of him.

All his clips we saw prior to him signing was of him picking up the ball a bit deeper and running at players.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

13 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I'd personally say someone who plays off the front, he's certainly not a leader of the line from what I have seen of him.

All his clips we saw prior to him signing was of him picking up the ball a bit deeper and running at players.

Well we found out he's not a winger and he's not a centre forward. I wonder what he's like in goal ?

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Well we found out he's not a winger and he's not a centre forward. I wonder what he's like in goal ?

Better than Walton but not as good as Smallwood.

[savage90]

With Mowbray it almost feels like he's inherited this squad as it doesn't fully suit his style... but he hasn't. Get your head around that!