Summer Transfer Window

[47er]

50 minutes ago, islander200 said:

You can't really believe that Mowbray doesn't want to get promoted?

All I can say is that, if he does want promotion, he's going a funny way about it!

He certainly doesn't want it as much as I do.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

And your role, is unfortunately, to hang around permanently spreading turgid drivel about stuff you know very little about.

But as I said, we all see things differently hey? ?

I watched my first Rovers game at Ewood against Sundererland the end of 1970 at the age of nearly 7 in the season when we got relegated for the first time ever.

We lost that game 1-0 and it should have put me off for ever but for some reason I've been strangely hooked ever since.

Back in the day when we genuinely  had no money, we had managers like Furphy, Lee and Kendall who would knock the spots of Mowbray. The current incumbent isn't in the same League.

Subsequently we had Don Mackay who again had to make do on relatively limited resources but again was a vastly superior manager to Mowbray imo. Got us into the play offs several times but we didn't quite make it. 

That wasn't good enough for Jack when he came in, poor old Don couldn't attract the top players so King Kenny was brought in. The following 3 and a half years were  history.

In later years  I was invited to write a fans piece in the LT for a couple of years after our promotion back to the Premier League under Souness and the Worthington Cup win.

I was very critical about various things about  the purchase of Grabbi, the manager himself and the general direction the Club was heading in. 

Although in my view hindsight proved me right, this earned a lot of flak from various quarters at the time (particularly my old mate USA Blue).

So here we are all these  years on after all that and personally I haven't particularly enjoyed following Rovers since Mark Hughes was here. There was the brief relief of a promotion from League 1 which you might argue we shouldn't have been in in the first place given we've been under the control of successive billionaire owners for the last 20 years.

I note from one of your previous postings that you started following us in 1994/5. I do suspect you're a Club plant who only pops up at transfer window time to promote the Company line but even if not and you're genuine I think you'd have a better perspective of what is and is not possible with limited resources had you been a fan pre Jack.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, islander200 said:

You can't really believe that Mowbray doesn't want to get promoted?

Come off it , does he heck.

If he sets a target of automatic promotion and fails to meet it, he potentially gets the sack before he's on Premier league wages. Far better to try and muddle on indefinitely until its time to retire trying to con people into thinking there's a slow build or long term plan.

Since we got promoted, how many lrime age established Championship level players has he brought in to  go straight into the first team?

Arguably none. That tells you all you need to know about his intentions imo.

[BRFC4EVA]

Any decent left back in the academy? 

[bluebruce]

19 minutes ago, BRFC4EVA said:

Any decent left back in the academy? 

Lewis Thompson was being touted by a few on here as a good un last season, but not heard him mentioned in a while. He's 21 next month and was on loan at AFC Fylde back in March (National League). Probably didn't get any real game time with the pandemic but that's not the level I'd have wanted a 20 year old with imminent first team potential playing at, so maybe not all that good?

After that I think you're looking at 17 year old Jake Garett who is meant to be promising. Probably a bit of a wait due there though.

[yellowsubmarine]

I was hoping we could get Sarr since we missed out on Kipre and Ayala.

It's just strange we cant sign any defenders or no defender is interested in playing for Rovers. I really hope we have some 3rd or 4th choice defensive transfer targets which are good enough to walk into our first team, else it will be a long hard season, defensively.

[Ossydave]

Well I guess we're pretty much at the stage now we need to hope he pulls another rabbit out the hat in the loan market. Most of the decent freebies seem to have been snapped up, most managers know who they want to keep at their clubs. I mean to be fair he has had some decent success in the loan market but its still ridiculous this inability to sign defenders. Some of the key players for promoted teams the past few seasons have been loans so they can serve a purpose.

And no I'm not saying we're in contention for promotion at present. 

[Paul Mani]

3 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I watched my first Rovers game at Ewood against Sundererland the end of 1970 at the age of nearly 7 in the season when we got relegated for the first time ever.

We lost that game 1-0 and it should have put me off for ever but for some reason I've been strangely hooked ever since.

Back in the day when we genuinely  had no money, we had managers like Furphy, Lee and Kendall who would knock the spots of Mowbray. The current incumbent isn't in the same League.

Subsequently we had Don Mackay who again had to make do on relatively limited resources but again was a vastly superior manager to Mowbray imo. Got us into the play offs several times but we didn't quite make it. 

That wasn't good enough for Jack when he came in, poor old Don couldn't attract the top players so King Kenny was brought in. The following 3 and a half years were  history.

In later years  I was invited to write a fans piece in the LT for a couple of years after our promotion back to the Premier League under Souness and the Worthington Cup win.

I was very critical about various things about  the purchase of Grabbi, the manager himself and the general direction the Club was heading in. 

Although in my view hindsight proved me right, this earned a lot of flak from various quarters at the time (particularly my old mate USA Blue).

So here we are all these  years on after all that and personally I haven't particularly enjoyed following Rovers since Mark Hughes was here. There was the brief relief of a promotion from League 1 which you might argue we shouldn't have been in in the first place given we've been under the control of successive billionaire owners for the last 20 years.

I note from one of your previous postings that you started following us in 1994/5. I do suspect you're a Club plant who only pops up at transfer window time to promote the Company line but even if not and you're genuine I think you'd have a better perspective of what is and is not possible with limited resources had you been a fan pre Jack.

I regularly and openly disagree with Mowbrays decisions on here and have stated that I felt it was a time for Managerial change on two separate occasions.

I start every factual point about Venkys with “they’ve been absolutely terrible but...”

Ive actually been a pretty regular poster for 12 months outside of the transfer windows but Hey, don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story...?

I have supported Rovers since I was 10. My then football manager took me to Ewood in 1991 for the first time and I fell in love with the place.

As for perspective on owning / running businesses on a shoe string and with large budgets, I have done this at six, seven and eight figure turnovers and continue to do so. I do not believe that financial modelling from 30+ years ago holds much weight in today’s financial climate.

The ‘plant’ notion is ridiculous. Because this minuscule community has absolutely no effect on Venkys or the club. We’re just not that important mate, suck it up. So why would anyone pay me to disagree with all the miserable sods on here? It makes no sense! ??

The fact of the matter is that we all have a different view on the same issues in here. I accept that, you can’t and look for ‘other’ reasons as to why anyone could see things differently to you.

No matter how bad it gets, I will never whine, whinge and moan. I’m not built that way. I focus on what I can see and more importantly what I can control and I deal with it all from a positive base. That’s me. Paul Mani, RTID 

 

 

[islander200]

5 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Come off it , does he heck.

If he sets a target of automatic promotion and fails to meet it, he potentially gets the sack before he's on Premier league wages. Far better to try and muddle on indefinitely until its time to retire trying to con people into thinking there's a slow build or long term plan.

Since we got promoted, how many lrime age established Championship level players has he brought in to  go straight into the first team?

Arguably none. That tells you all you need to know about his intentions imo.

Prime aged championship players of a promotion quality are above our wage cap though.The Venkys have given him money to spend no doubt but I do believe he still has a ceiling on what he can offer in wages.

We have paid big wages before Rhodes,Best, Etuhu,Murphy etc etc and we ended up in a transfer embargo.Unless we start to see an increase in fans attending when it is allowed again then we cant up our wage ceiling due to ffp

In my opinion it's silly to think he doesn't want to get promoted.He would get a new contract with better money,he gets sacked big payout and would have a better chance of getting another job with another promotion on his cv

Edited September 12, 2020 by islander200

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

We've gone through the full cycle of emotions with this transfer window thread, as per usual. The whole justification of your views by how long you've supported Rovers is now coming out, an absolute classic. Bring on the Bournemouth game to give us something else to moan about I say. 

[Gamst]

Favourite quote from TM in Rich Sharpe's article this morning on LT website 'the new guys have to step up'. Will there be some unexpected signings in the squad today? Remarkably stupid comment and he now needs to stop talking and sign some players! 

[Stuart]

44 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

We've gone through the full cycle of emotions with this transfer window thread, as per usual. The whole justification of your views by how long you've supported Rovers is now coming out, an absolute classic. Bring on the Bournemouth game to give us something else to moan about I say. 

Which once again started with the implied ‘you’re not a real fan if you aren’t positive’ post.

But yes, let’s get the season started, at least it will distract us from this miserable transfer window where we have lost... 8 players is it... and gained one. A position we had no choice but to fill and he hasn’t even played a single minute of pre-season. Let’s hope he’s a diamond.

[geedog13]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

I regularly and openly disagree with Mowbrays decisions on here and have stated that I felt it was a time for Managerial change on two separate occasions.

I start every factual point about Venkys with “they’ve been absolutely terrible but...”

Ive actually been a pretty regular poster for 12 months outside of the transfer windows but Hey, don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story...?

I have supported Rovers since I was 10. My then football manager took me to Ewood in 1991 for the first time and I fell in love with the place.

As for perspective on owning / running businesses on a shoe string and with large budgets, I have done this at six, seven and eight figure turnovers and continue to do so. I do not believe that financial modelling from 30+ years ago holds much weight in today’s financial climate.

The ‘plant’ notion is ridiculous. Because this minuscule community has absolutely no effect on Venkys or the club. We’re just not that important mate, suck it up. So why would anyone pay me to disagree with all the miserable sods on here? It makes no sense! ??

The fact of the matter is that we all have a different view on the same issues in here. I accept that, you can’t and look for ‘other’ reasons as to why anyone could see things differently to you.

No matter how bad it gets, I will never whine, whinge and moan. I’m not built that way. I focus on what I can see and more importantly what I can control and I deal with it all from a positive base. That’s me. Paul Mani, RTID 

 

 

Fantastic Paul ? 

[1864roverite]

First day of a new season and I feel so underwhelmed! No new shirt and no season ticket! It’s just not football ?

[47er]

14 hours ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

I just don't get this.  We're at least 4 players shy of what everyone expected as a minimum 6 weeks ago.  Eve of the season and now people are ok with that?

Jeez.  

General consent on here before the window opened was that the squad needed 6 players or so. And it did/does.

Since we haven't come anywhere near that by the opening day of the season, I have no hesitation in saying that this transfer window is yet another failure, our defence is worse than last season, therefore we have no chance of promotion and we are looking at another season of tedium.

It could get exciting if we fall into a relegation battle but I'd settle for tedium in that case.

Really,really disappointed and must want my head read for expecting anything else.

[arbitro]

1 minute ago, 1864roverite said:

First day of a new season and I feel so underwhelmed! No new shirt and no season ticket! It’s just not football ?

Too true. Under circumstances the three biggest days of a season for me are opening fixture, Boxing Day and FA Cup third round day. This diluted version of such an important aspect of our lives just doesn't get anywhere near cutting it for me.

[OssyLad]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

I regularly and openly disagree with Mowbrays decisions on here and have stated that I felt it was a time for Managerial change on two separate occasions.

I start every factual point about Venkys with “they’ve been absolutely terrible but...”

Ive actually been a pretty regular poster for 12 months outside of the transfer windows but Hey, don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story...?

I have supported Rovers since I was 10. My then football manager took me to Ewood in 1991 for the first time and I fell in love with the place.

As for perspective on owning / running businesses on a shoe string and with large budgets, I have done this at six, seven and eight figure turnovers and continue to do so. I do not believe that financial modelling from 30+ years ago holds much weight in today’s financial climate.

The ‘plant’ notion is ridiculous. Because this minuscule community has absolutely no effect on Venkys or the club. We’re just not that important mate, suck it up. So why would anyone pay me to disagree with all the miserable sods on here? It makes no sense! ??

The fact of the matter is that we all have a different view on the same issues in here. I accept that, you can’t and look for ‘other’ reasons as to why anyone could see things differently to you.

No matter how bad it gets, I will never whine, whinge and moan. I’m not built that way. I focus on what I can see and more importantly what I can control and I deal with it all from a positive base. That’s me. Paul Mani, RTID 

 

 

Great post Paul ??

[tomphil]

We go with what we have !

The team with that defense have got us results before in games so they can again it's just not well equipped enough for the long haul.

Hesitancy and dithering with not strengthening has cost us before, badly once and frustratingly at other times. We have a very frustrating manager though so it's just a reflection of his methods.

Still i wouldn't bet against him landing a promising loan or two he's been good at that a few times. Lets just hope the myriad of box tickers back him before the window shuts.

Edited September 12, 2020 by tomphil

[Hi Mack]

12 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

First day of a new season and I feel so underwhelmed! No new shirt and no season ticket! It’s just not football ?

I have to agree, it almost has a preseason feel to it all! Even at 34 it should feel like Xmas day with a new nicely folded Rovers shirts at the end of my bed and a copious amount of beer tokens in the pocket! 

[Tugayisgod]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

I regularly and openly disagree with Mowbrays decisions on here and have stated that I felt it was a time for Managerial change on two separate occasions.

I start every factual point about Venkys with “they’ve been absolutely terrible but...”

Ive actually been a pretty regular poster for 12 months outside of the transfer windows but Hey, don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story...?

I have supported Rovers since I was 10. My then football manager took me to Ewood in 1991 for the first time and I fell in love with the place.

As for perspective on owning / running businesses on a shoe string and with large budgets, I have done this at six, seven and eight figure turnovers and continue to do so. I do not believe that financial modelling from 30+ years ago holds much weight in today’s financial climate.

The ‘plant’ notion is ridiculous. Because this minuscule community has absolutely no effect on Venkys or the club. We’re just not that important mate, suck it up. So why would anyone pay me to disagree with all the miserable sods on here? It makes no sense! ??

The fact of the matter is that we all have a different view on the same issues in here. I accept that, you can’t and look for ‘other’ reasons as to why anyone could see things differently to you.

No matter how bad it gets, I will never whine, whinge and moan. I’m not built that way. I focus on what I can see and more importantly what I can control and I deal with it all from a positive base. That’s me. Paul Mani, RTID 

 

 

Fantastic post?

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Very good post @Paul Mani

Great posts by both Revidge and Paul M, very emotive, both clearly passionate about OUR club.

Lets keep the balance and leave the favoritism to the manager.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Because this minuscule community has absolutely no effect on Venkys or the club. We’re just not that important mate, suck it up.

It got Waggott to address the state of the ground and surrounding area.

[unsall]

6 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I watched my first Rovers game at Ewood against Sundererland the end of 1970 at the age of nearly 7 in the season when we got relegated for the first time ever.

We lost that game 1-0 and it should have put me off for ever but for some reason I've been strangely hooked ever since.

Back in the day when we genuinely  had no money, we had managers like Furphy, Lee and Kendall who would knock the spots of Mowbray. The current incumbent isn't in the same League.

Subsequently we had Don Mackay who again had to make do on relatively limited resources but again was a vastly superior manager to Mowbray imo. Got us into the play offs several times but we didn't quite make it. 

That wasn't good enough for Jack when he came in, poor old Don couldn't attract the top players so King Kenny was brought in. The following 3 and a half years were  history.

In later years  I was invited to write a fans piece in the LT for a couple of years after our promotion back to the Premier League under Souness and the Worthington Cup win.

I was very critical about various things about  the purchase of Grabbi, the manager himself and the general direction the Club was heading in. 

Although in my view hindsight proved me right, this earned a lot of flak from various quarters at the time (particularly my old mate USA Blue).

So here we are all these  years on after all that and personally I haven't particularly enjoyed following Rovers since Mark Hughes was here. There was the brief relief of a promotion from League 1 which you might argue we shouldn't have been in in the first place given we've been under the control of successive billionaire owners for the last 20 years.

I note from one of your previous postings that you started following us in 1994/5. I do suspect you're a Club plant who only pops up at transfer window time to promote the Company line but even if not and you're genuine I think you'd have a better perspective of what is and is not possible with limited resources had you been a fan pre Jack.

You’ve got to realise all fans are different, you started off watching in 1970 and we lost the game and you said it should have put you off, why, some we win some we lose, but if you’re following a team from your home town probably following after your father and grandfather you support them through thick and thin.

Clubs have different owners, managers and players but it’s the club we support, regardless of success and failure.

Thought we had some great times when Souness was in charge winning promotion, Worthington cup, before he went off the boil, and also enjoyed Hughes time at Rovers.

You’ve got to see other fans points of view like me Chaddy and Paul Mani etc, we just don’t moan constantly and realise we haven’t pots of money these days to chuck at new players, and have to do it prudently and hope uncover some gems.

To say we are Rovers plants, or Rovers PR team is pathetic, we are passionate fans who criticise when we have to but can also see the big picture.

You say because we’ve had two billionaires the last 20 years everything should be ok, firstly JW was never a billionaire, but was very wealthy and put his money where his mouth was, Venkys no one knows how much they have, who threw money at us but we’re clueless mainly due to the crap advice from a certain agent.

The problem now is we are reliant on them, and  if they pulled the plug we would be goosed.

I know you and others hate it when someone mentions Bury/ Bolton/ Wigan but I would be devastated if we were going through what Wigan are going through. Can you imagine this forum, lost 10 players from their last match no owners, sold training ground etc, now that’s what I call a crisis,

Dont worry,if the club needs criticism you have to, but not constantly. I thought Waggott interview was very honest and think his only criticism was not opening JW upper tier (not my stand) also think he will change his mind on that one.

So at the end of the day, think we are all fans, but should respect different views, don’t want to mention the P or N word as boss man will ban me again, let’s say some are more optimistic than others.

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, islander200 said:

Prime aged championship players of a promotion quality are above our wage cap though.The Venkys have given him money to spend no doubt but I do believe he still has a ceiling on what he can offer in wages.

We have paid big wages before Rhodes,Best, Etuhu,Murphy etc etc and we ended up in a transfer embargo.Unless we start to see an increase in fans attending when it is allowed again then we cant up our wage ceiling due to ffp

In my opinion it's silly to think he doesn't want to get promoted.He would get a new contract with better money,he gets sacked big payout and would have a better chance of getting another job with another promotion on his cv

Its got nothing to do with FFP.

It seems you are ignoring the fact that since last season we have shaved circa £100,000 PER WEEK off the wage bill.

Danny Graham, Stewart Downing, Christian Walton, Sam Hart, Richie Smallwood, Dominic Samuel and Tosin Adarabioyo combined will together have been on huge money. They are all gone. The only money added to the payroll has been Kaminski. I would hazard a guess that a Belgian goalkeeper won't be putting much on the wage bill. Even at £10 grand per week there is still a big saving being made.

We were told we were FFP compliant the last 2 years. 

So why are we still in trouble having made massive savings?.

Why does the above prevent us signing a CB and LB on £10,000 a week each?

I guarantee Sarr wasn't on that much at Charlton and likely won't be at Huddersfield. Same for Bauer at Preston 

FFP just the latest excuse. It won't even be applied this year due to Covid.

Are we seriously going to go into a 46 game Championship season and risk relegation whilst sticking to rules that can't be enforced?

Venkys want to make cutbacks. That's up to them but responsibility lies upstairs at the club or with Mowbray for being inept in the transfer market and the club operating like a Sunday pub league side with the manager and a couple of his mates running everything.

Another window goes by with no defensive signings. I'd have hoped the penny would have dropped by now. We just don't do defensive signings here. 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

1 minute ago, JHRover said:

So why are we still in trouble having made massive savings?.

Pandemic + massively in debt

1 minute ago, JHRover said:

Why does the above prevent us signing a CB and LB on £10,000 a week each?

Who says we can't? The issue seems to be clubs in Saudi can offer far more.