Summer Transfer Window

[alex l]

4 minutes ago, Bohinen 22 said:

Walton is one of the worst keepers to wear the Rovers shirt. Would say that only maybe Fettis has been worse in my time supporting Rovers. I’d say even that clown Steele was better.

From those who played a decent number of games, so not Leutweiler for example, worst keeper in the last 25 years was Jake Kean IMO

[simongarnerisgod]

2 minutes ago, Bohinen 22 said:

Walton is one of the worst keepers to wear the Rovers shirt. Would say that only maybe Fettis has been worse in my time supporting Rovers. I’d say even that clown Steele was better.

iv`e never seen a worse keeper ever,he`ll be playing non league football in a few seasons time,even that will be much for him

[bluebruce]

2 minutes ago, alex l said:

I think we'd have still likely spent the money we had. The half a million I referred to is the budget we'd have now and we'd be needing to sign a striker - remove SG from the squad, DG gone, we'd have Breo, Arma as the only senior options at the moment. 

If we'd have spent the other 2 million anyway, it would have been spent somewhere. Maybe a CB so we didn't need to sign Ayala. Maybe another striker - and sometimes a cheap option actually works out better than the pricey one. Maybe an actual winger.

[JacknOry]

2 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

On a side note I see that Arsenal agreed with many in here about Raya in that he is NOT worth anywhere near £10m quoted by Brentford ??

You have just copy paste the same post you made a couple weeks back. You do love to throw grenades.

You were wrong the first time and wrong this time. Arsenal did value him at 10 as that was the offer refused by Brentford. They didnt want to sell anyway and said Aresnal would have to pay 15 and loan him back for the season.

Maybe Arsenal should buy Walton instead ???

[1864roverite]

I can assure you I wrote it out! If they wanted him they would have paid up! My opinion backed by evidence of his sometimes erratic displays is that he ain’t worth it! If it differs from yours that’s fine by me.

[Leonard Venkhater]

8 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

iv`e never seen a worse keeper ever,he`ll be playing non league football in a few seasons time,even that will be much for him

We have had a real run of poor keepers in the last few years. I think it began with an aging Paul Robinson and got progressively worse.

I never forgot Darren Collyer though!

[Leonard Venkhater]

57 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

One of an infinite number of alternate futures. If he had broken his leg in the first game we might have gone down etc etc

Hahaha...And if Walton had broken his leg, we'd have made the playoffs!

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, Leonard Venkhater said:

I never forgot Darren Collyer though!

You forgot his name?

[Leonard Venkhater]

1 minute ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

You forgot his name?

Collier?

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, Leonard Venkhater said:

Collier?

Yes, i couldn't resist. You can call me an arse, I deserve it!

[simongarnerisgod]

4 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

We have had a real run of poor keepers in the last few years. I think it began with an aging Paul Robinson and got progressively worse.

I never forgot Darren Collyer though!

you only worried about collier if a dangerous set piece came within his flailing grasp,with walton you worried every time the ball came near him

[Leonard Venkhater]

Just now, simongarnerisgod said:

you only worried about collier if a dangerous set piece came within his flailing grasp,with walton you worried every time the ball came near him

I worried. Trust me...

[simongarnerisgod]

from my childhood memories i can also recall john butcher being pretty woeful between the sticks,my dad in particular didn`t rate like his keeping one little bit,he was always  shouting at him

Edited September 22, 2020 by simongarnerisgod
spelling mistake

[SBlue]

Anything happening?

[briansol]

2 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said:

Anything happening?

Nope, only Raya deja vu

[Tugay-is-God]

48 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

I can assure you I wrote it out! If they wanted him they would have paid up! My opinion backed by evidence of his sometimes erratic displays is that he ain’t worth it! If it differs from yours that’s fine by me.

Stop clinging on to this take, you're just gonna become more and more wrong as the years go by.

 

[Mercer]

2 hours ago, Bohinen 22 said:

Walton is one of the worst keepers to wear the Rovers shirt. Would say that only maybe Fettis has been worse in my time supporting Rovers. I’d say even that clown Steele was better.

Seen some bad ones, average ones and good ones in my time.

Off the top of my head, the following gave me the shivers: Barton, Ramsbottom, Butcher, Brown, Dickins, Fettis, Enkelman, Kean, Steele, Leutwiler and Walton. 

Stand up for Sir Roger, Arnold, Gennoe, Flowers, Friedel and even Paul Robinson.

 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Mercer

[tonygreenbank]

2 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

iv`e never seen a worse keeper ever,he`ll be playing non league football in a few seasons time,even that will be much for him

It must be my dislike of reading unfair criticism of professional footballers that has prompted me to respond to this post.

Christian Walton played every match last season for us which is a testimony to his fitness, his attitude and to the fact he had the full backing of management and coaching staff.

He also was on loan at Wigan and he couldn’t have done too badly as they retained him for a second season. I think Paul Cook was a pretty demanding manager.

Walton has also achieved international recognition playing for England at junior levels.

Where has he gone on leaving us? To Brighton in the Premiership whose manager Graham Potter will be assessing his progress after his awful injury in his first game with them. I wish him well.

 

[Darwen Rover 007]

Maybe a separate post to discuss Raya / Walton specifically 

[tonygreenbank]

Just now, Darwen Rover 007 said:

Maybe a separate post to discuss Raya / Walton specifically 

Couldn’t agree more Darwen!

Knew it wasn’t transfer related but I had to write it. Apologies.....!

Now any positive transfer news?

[bigbrandjohn]

4 hours ago, Bohinen 22 said:

Walton is one of the worst keepers to wear the Rovers shirt. Would say that only maybe Fettis has been worse in my time supporting Rovers. I’d say even that clown Steele was better.

Watch him capture the Brighton Jersey and play his socks off. 

[JacknOry]

5 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

I can assure you I wrote it out! If they wanted him they would have paid up! My opinion backed by evidence of his sometimes erratic displays is that he ain’t worth it! If it differs from yours that’s fine by me.

You said Arsenal agreed with you that he is not worth anywhere near 10m.

As for the facts: It was reported that they had bid 10m and Brentford rejected it. So clearly, Arsenal did think he was worth 10m. It was then reported they went up to 13.5m. Again, Brentford rejected it as they did not want to lose their keeper and have to replace him. They held out for 15m and Raya being sent back to them on loan for this season.

So, i think ill judge their opinion and my own over yours.

[philipl]

9 hours ago, Angry_Pirate said:

Now this will be the last time I join in the Raya conversation as nobody will chance their stance - rightly, or wrongly (Wrongly - in the case of those who defend selling him for £3m) but...

Raya wasn't perfect (for us and Brentford - see Playoff Final). But I guarantee you that if we would have played last season with Raya in net for 46 games - and not Walton - we would have had at least the 7 extra points needed for the playoffs... and then potentially a place in the Premier League. Heck, Walton probably cost us 7 points - on his own - after lockdown.

I'm prepared for a ton of negativity to this statement but here goes "Selling Raya (to replace him with Walton) cost us a genuine chance at £200m." Fact.

 

 

Not buying a LB and keeping Bell as a starter may do the same this year...

100% with you.

Raya today is vastly worse than at least 50% of the keepers in the PL but that is a moot point.

Raya last season was vastly better than Walton and that certainly cost us numerous points. We also wasted the money we got from him making it an even more painful piece of business .

Brentford are a trading club and they didn't want to trade Raya below their valuation is also as significant as Arsenal baulking at the price.

Makes somebody buying Josh King even pressing for Rovers.

[Paul Mani]

11 hours ago, Angry_Pirate said:

Now this will be the last time I join in the Raya conversation as nobody will chance their stance - rightly, or wrongly (Wrongly - in the case of those who defend selling him for £3m) but...

Raya wasn't perfect (for us and Brentford - see Playoff Final). But I guarantee you that if we would have played last season with Raya in net for 46 games - and not Walton - we would have had at least the 7 extra points needed for the playoffs... and then potentially a place in the Premier League. Heck, Walton probably cost us 7 points - on his own - after lockdown.

I'm prepared for a ton of negativity to this statement but here goes "Selling Raya (to replace him with Walton) cost us a genuine chance at £200m." Fact.

 

 

Not buying a LB and keeping Bell as a starter may do the same this year...

You’re taking yourself down a dark, murky hypothetical hole there. Let’s get it right, there is no one reason why we didn’t go up last season. But if you are going to hang your hat on replacing Raya with Walton then why not the season ending injury to Cunningham? playing him over Bell would’ve netted us 7pts surely? Or what about narrowly missing out on Harrison Reed to Fulham? Surely he could’ve carried us home? The list is exhaustive.

The elephant in the room here is Dack. Our best player by miles! If we HAVE to play this game then his season ending injury is surely the reason we didn’t reach the top 6, right? He’s the most likely Rovers player to effect any game and he was out for 50% of the season.

The answer is of course that no one facet is the reason we fell 7pts short. But for you to point out that the loss of a VERY inconsistent Keeper for another VERY inconsistent keeper is THE reason for us not getting in the playoffs is...well... just wrong.

Walton conceded less goals than Raya did in the season before and had more clean sheets. Fact.

Rovers missed out on promotion for a whole host of reasons. Not replacing a decent goalie with a better one was a contributing factor, but 100% not the primary one.

Edited September 23, 2020 by Paul Mani

[1864roverite]

9 hours ago, Tugay-is-God said:

Stop clinging on to this take, you're just gonna become more and more wrong as the years go by.

 

So Rayas stats were how far ahead of Walton? They were almost exactly the same and Walton isn’t worth £10m! As I pointed out it is my opinion and if it’s different to yours so be it.