Summer transfer window 2021.

[JohnGo]

10 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Bore off.

Thanks, no proof just another ex supporter who has his own view of the history of the club.

[Mike E]

32 minutes ago, JohnGo said:

Thanks, no proof just another ex supporter who has his own view of the history of the club.

Stop trolling please.

[JohnGo]

49 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Stop trolling please.

How’s responding to a single point trolling?

[Mike E]

6 minutes ago, JohnGo said:

How’s responding to a single point trolling?

Trolling is deliberately winding someone up. Calling someone an 'ex supporter' based on you having a controversial opinion is definitely trolling.

You need it look back on the entirety of Venkys' ownership to know we haven't done things the way any other football club (let alone other business) does things, and almost always to our detriment.

[Paul Mellelieu]

1 hour ago, Mike E said:

Stop trolling please.

Yes, that's my job.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, islander200 said:

Was anything said about potential transfers on radio lancs tonight?

Why? 

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, JohnGo said:

Thanks, no proof just another ex supporter who has his own view of the history of the club.

Everyone who has been here for long enough to see me post consistently, and you post, will be under no illusions about my capability in batting your nonsense down, but frankly pal I can't be arsed. You're just being tedious as per.

There's nothing to be gained by a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

[JohnGo]

1 hour ago, Mike E said:

Stop trolling please.

 

50 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Trolling is deliberately winding someone up. Calling someone an 'ex supporter' based on you having a controversial opinion is definitely trolling.

You need it look back on the entirety of Venkys' ownership to know we haven't done things the way any other football club (let alone other business) does things, and almost always to our

This gives me the right to my options. I’ve not been offensive and if you want to test this in the courts bring it on.

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[islander200]

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why? 

 

[Mike E]

7 hours ago, JohnGo said:

This gives me the right to my options. I’ve not been offensive and if you want to test this in the courts bring it on.

 

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Bless you darling but it's our opinion that matters and you signed up to our rules when you joined us.

I've asked you to stop trolling, so I'll consider that 'a word had' and it'll be sin bin next time.

Freedom of expression merely means you can't be arrested for expressing your opinion (assuming it doesn't incite hatred).

We can ban as we see fit though. Great eh? And guess what? We've never banned anyone for their opinion (aside from hatred incitement), but we've banned plenty of trolls.

[Mattyblue]

I reckon you should go down the Magna Carta route.

[MarkBRFC]

1 hour ago, islander200 said:

 

Listened to that earlier, Downing wasn't very complimentary of Mowbray and some of his methods.

They are mates too, Christ knows what the rest of the lads think of him.

[Dolly blue]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

Listened to that earlier, Downing wasn't very complimentary of Mowbray and some of his methods.

They are mates too, Christ knows what the rest of the lads think of him.

So true Mark! I feel that what Downing said, and what he omitted to say spoke volumes of his “ displeasure “ towards Mowbray and all. It terrifies me to think of how he handles young players, academy lads etc if this is how he handles a fellow Boro lad and his own signing. 

Downing sounded exactly as I feel…..disillusioned with the club, disgusted with Mowbray and …..like him, I shall be hanging my ticket up when the players return to training….has anyone ever felt so disenfranchised from this, our club? …..and this is before Mowbray opens his mouth for the first time in weeks..I look in envy towards clubs who have soul …and they surround us whichever way we look. 

[tomphil]

They've finally seen through it but this is what happens when a manager is allowed to stay beyond his ceiling.

Not unusual and there's no shame in it TM is what he is and does what he does but the danger here is the club has become the manager. That's down to the void between ownership and club and their stupid way of doing things. Plus the nice little niche its allowed them to create inside the club.

Unfortunately here at Rovers the fans and team and shrinking club have to pay the price for generous stupidity. The ownership signs the cheques then ignores and the rest in the middle carry on and draw their money.

We'll end up like Sunderland.

Edited June 22, 2021 by tomphil

[MarkBRFC]

23 minutes ago, tomphil said:

They've finally seen through it but this is what happens when a manager is allowed to stay beyond his ceiling.

Not unusual and there's no shame in it TM is what he is and does what he does but the danger here is the club has become the manager. That's down to the void between ownership and club and their stupid way of doing things. Plus the nice little niche its allowed them to create inside the club.

Unfortunately here at Rovers the fans and team and shrinking club have to pay the price for generous stupidity. The ownership signs the cheques then ignores and the rest in the middle carry on and draw their money.

We'll end up like Sunderland.

Yep I can see that, although with a much, much lower match going fanbase.

[Bigdoggsteel]

3 hours ago, islander200 said:

 

God almighty if Downing thinks like that, no wonder we won 2 in 17. Mowbray is going to drag this club into relegation. Stubborn , arrogant man. Contrary to his repeated attempts to paint himself as a man of the people, working class hero. 

This club is never far from disaster under these idiot owners. 

God, my mates have football to look forward to in these times. Not me. Frustrating. 

[davulsukur]

Lancs live has done a write up of the Downing interview.

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-downing-regret-mowbray-20871487.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Players not getting picked on merit is Sunday league stuff.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Absolute amateur stuff 

"I just couldn't get the pitch time," he added. "I'd agreed a contract straight away at the end of last season and then they rang me up just before pre-season saying that deal is off because we only have a certain amount of budget and we needed to get some players in.

"It was disappointing because you go back on your word. I said to the manager that you don't really do business that way, I don't think. You've left me hanging a little bit now, especially at my age.

 

[Bigdoggsteel]

That's no way to treat someone in any job. 

Not knowing what's in Chapman's contract. This rubbish. Is it any wonder a player wouldn't sign here? I think it was obvious Holtby wasn't happy for a finish either. 

Mowbray is a clown and I don't take to insulting him lightly. 

 

[Mattyblue]

‘I said to the manager that you don't really do business that way ‘

Been like this for 10 years, Stewy. Though takes someone who’s obviously winding down their playing career to tell it straight.

Edited June 22, 2021 by Mattyblue

[Leonard Venkhater]

Sounds awful. State of Denmark rotten etc!

It is always possible that TM offered the contract in good faith in light of an agreed budget, only for someone else to reduce the budget later?

Maybe, Mowbray made the mistake of going on holiday like Cheston and the world turned....

Most of us do know that Blackburn Rovers and normal should never occupy the same sentence........(without another word like never or not)

I fear for us this season..Out, out out with the lot of them!

 

[tomphil]

I agree in this instance it might not all be down to Mowbray. I find it odd that he'd treat a player from his old mates who he'd made such a fuss of that way.

We've seen how he operates and if he likes them and it were up to him certain ones would probably have lifetime contracts here. Pure speculation obviously but looks to me like its been forced on them out the blue after they'd wanted him back.

In the end it's another total waste of money by the pillocks in charge as they've ended up giving him some sort of deal then not using him. Complete wasted wages yet again.

It's all a balls up though because the manager should just have shook his hand after his 1 season indian summer here and let him find something else. 

[bigbrandjohn]

Or maybe Downing has not yet realized his best days are behind him. He didn't actually tear up stumps when he was introduced. 

Or maybe his pay was based on appearances and he never reached jackpot  level. 

[Crimpshrine]

The whole episode is disturbing.

Firtstly, the withdrawal, at the last minute, of an agreed contract is appalling - what would Jack think ?

It sounds like the manager offered the initial contract only to be overruled - the club is disfunctional.

Eventually Mowbray got his way - but to what purpose? As a favour to a player he had no intention of playing. What good is that to the club ?

From the interview it appears Mowbray thought performances were good during the run of 2 wins in 17.

Are the owners even aware of any of this ?

Short term future looking bleak I'm afraid.

[roversfan99]

21 minutes ago, bigbrandjohn said:

Or maybe Downing has not yet realized his best days are behind him. He didn't actually tear up stumps when he was introduced. 

Or maybe his pay was based on appearances and he never reached jackpot  level. 

They may be. But agreeing and promising a verbal contract only to withdraw it months later without prior warning is not professional, yet is in keeping with the sort of nonsense throughout Venkys' tenure. Also the manager leaving players not starting in the dark is not very good man management. Sub rotation makes no sense either, players should be played on merit.