Summer transfer window 2021.

[BRFC4EVA]

3 minutes ago, Ulrich said:

Cristiano Ronaldo is 1.87m tall........

Kaka is 1.86m, the Ronaldo, Bergkamp both 6 ft, I'm sure youd find a teams worth.

[Dreams of 1995]

It is going to be a busy week if we are to get the business we need doing. 
 

By my reckoning we need: striker, winger, central mid and a left back. That’s at a minimum. 

It makes you wonder what they have up their sleeves but recruiting a load of 20 year olds won’t fill those gaps. We have them in abundance. I’d much rather we played McBride up top than bring in a loanee from Liverpool, unless of course that loanee is of the calibre of Elliott etc. If we play our own we find a diamond in the rough and earn a few quid next summer. 

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Poveda has looked talented when I have seen him with cameos off the bench at Leeds. Questions would surround a potential lack of end product.

Would have to disagree a little bit there. His issue is going to be a physicality issue rather than a finishing issue. He can finish, and has a killer final ball, much like Elliott. A bit like Dolan though he loves running at his man and gets outmuscled quite a bit. Exciting talent for sure.

[Ulrich]

9 minutes ago, BRFC4EVA said:

Kaka is 1.86m, the Ronaldo, Bergkamp both 6 ft, I'm sure youd find a teams worth.

I think height is irrelevant to ones ability with the ball, some of those names there are right up with the best ever technically.  Kane is 6"2 he's not exactly poor either in todays game, yes smaller player's generally exhibit better skills technically as they cannot compete when they are developing from a height/strength perspective and so have no choice really but to play this way constantly as otherwise they won't have any success, but it's hardly a denominator of ones ability with the ball at their feet.  Reversely Cannavaro was the best CB I have ever seen and he was a midget for that role and is smaller than me at 5"8, but boy could he jump.

[Leeds 1919]

Leeds fan here. Just read that Ian Poveda might be going to Rovers on loan. If this is correct then you will get a super player. Great attitude, super fit and very direct. He has worked really hard but I sense he has got frustrated with his lack of first team football despite his patience. I wouldn’t be surprised if he becomes a real favourite at Ewood. Good luck if the loan works out.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

13 minutes ago, Ulrich said:

I think height is irrelevant to ones ability with the ball, some of those names there are right up with the best ever technically.  Kane is 6"2 he's not exactly poor either in todays game, yes smaller player's generally exhibit better skills technically as they cannot compete when they are developing from a height/strength perspective and so have no choice really but to play this way constantly as otherwise they won't have any success, but it's hardly a denominator of ones ability with the ball at their feet.  Reversely Cannavaro was the best CB I have ever seen and he was a midget for that role and is smaller than me at 5"8, but boy could he jump.

So could Speedie.  Brilliant in the air for a little striker.

[Ulrich]

5 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

So could Speedie.  Brilliant in the air for a little striker.

How true.  I've never really understood why developing jumping in taller players is not a given in youth development.  Imagine a Peter crouch who could leap like speedie or fabio?  You could whip in balls that other players just would never be able to reach.

[roverandout]

22 minutes ago, Ulrich said:

I think height is irrelevant to ones ability with the ball, some of those names there are right up with the best ever technically.  Kane is 6"2 he's not exactly poor either in todays game, yes smaller player's generally exhibit better skills technically as they cannot compete when they are developing from a height/strength perspective and so have no choice really but to play this way constantly as otherwise they won't have any success, but it's hardly a denominator of ones ability with the ball at their feet.  Reversely Cannavaro was the best CB I have ever seen and he was a midget for that role and is smaller than me at 5"8, but boy could he jump.

Ferdinand was a better defender not to mention terry

[RV Blue]

1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:

Not true.  All the best technical players in the world are small.  

You are right in terms of kids football.

All of them?

Ronaldo, Benzema, Kane, Pogba, De Bruyne, Lewandowski, Salah….

[blue_n_white99]

4 minutes ago, RV Blue said:

All of them?

Ronaldo, Benzema, Kane, Pogba, De Bruyne, Lewandowski, Salah….

From a Rovers perspective, some of the most skilful players are the likes of Cowans, Tugay, Duff, Berkovic, none of these were physically big, all of them created their own time and space and they all delivered a killer pass/cross or two

 

Edited August 23, 2021 by blue_n_white99

[roverandout]

Xavi iniesta were two of the most technical players around not to mention Scholes 

[RV Blue]

3 minutes ago, blue_n_white99 said:

From a Rovers perspective, some of the most skilful players are the likes of Cowans, Tugay, Duff, Berkovic, none of these were physically big, all of them created their own time and space and they all delivered a killer pass/cross or two

 

Not saying they weren’t, I just took issue with a demonstrably untrue comment.

[RevidgeBlue]

21 minutes ago, Ulrich said:

How true.  I've never really understood why developing jumping in taller players is not a given in youth development.  Imagine a Peter crouch who could leap like speedie or fabio?  You could whip in balls that other players just would never be able to reach.

Yep, the converse to the 5'8" player you mentioned is Gallagher who although he is 6' 5" might as well be 5' 8" as he jumps like he has lead diving boots on.

[Sparks Rover]

1 hour ago, Ulrich said:

Cristiano Ronaldo is 1.87m tall........

There's always one🙄😄

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, blue_n_white99 said:

From a Rovers perspective, some of the most skilful players are the likes of Cowans, Tugay, Duff, Berkovic, none of these were physically big, all of them created their own time and space and they all delivered a killer pass/cross or two

 

Most of the above although slight of frame were all physically still very strong on the ball though.

Tugay was slightly different as he had the knack like you say of creating a yard or two of space for himself.

[Sparks Rover]

15 minutes ago, RV Blue said:

All of them?

Ronaldo, Benzema, Kane, Pogba, De Bruyne, Lewandowski, Salah….

Ok, but to say a good big un beats a good small one is wrong.  They aren't particularly big though are they? Mercers argument would mean that the best player would be 6'7" etc   

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

25 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Ferdinand was a better defender not to mention terry

Especially when he heads over his own keeper - one of my favourite Ewood games 😁

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

29 minutes ago, Ulrich said:

How true.  I've never really understood why developing jumping in taller players is not a given in youth development.  Imagine a Peter crouch who could leap like speedie or fabio?  You could whip in balls that other players just would never be able to reach.

Or a Tiny Taylor 

[Ulrich]

5 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Yep, the converse to the 5'8" player you mentioned is Gallagher who although he is 6' 5" might as well be 5' 8" as he jumps like he has lead diving boots on.

I would never have guessed he was that tall, obviously he is but 1.94m is a serious height and one that he should be able to use to his advantage.  Even at his age his ability to leap could be improved, but that would need good coaching, both strength and technique wise.

[blue_n_white99]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Most of the above although slight of frame were all physically still very strong on the ball though.

Tugay was slightly different as he had the knack like you say of creating a yard or two of space for himself.

Not just strength, all the above plus Messi, Maradonna, King Kenny, Xavi, Iniesta, Scholes etc. have fantastic balance, acceleration and awareness

[jim mk2]

6 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

Ok, but to say a good big un beats a good small one is wrong.  They aren't particularly big though are they? Mercers argument would mean that the best player would be 6'7" etc   

 

He has a point though. Take 2 teams each of average ability (most in the Championship) and the bigger, more physical team will outmuscle the smaller team. This Rovers team is small and lightweight overall. You saw the West Brom game - we need some bigger lads in there. 

[Sparks Rover]

3 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

 

He has a point though. Take 2 teams each of average ability (most in the Championship) and the bigger, more physical team will outmuscle the smaller team. This Rovers team is small and lightweight overall. You saw the West Brom game - we need some bigger lads in there. 

Oh I'm well in favour of some big strong lads coming in, there's a place for them in this division especially. 

Edited August 23, 2021 by Sparks Rover

[rigger]

Are any of the players this topic has diverted to, signing for the Rovers ?

[Sparks Rover]

Just now, rigger said:

Are any of the players this topic has diverted to, signing for the Rovers ?

Xavi isn't 

[Bigdoggsteel]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

I think Dolan is well off at this moment in time, was a bit of a whirlwind when he broke through but faded in general he rarely impacts games and his decision making and end product is poor. I think based on recent performances, he should be behind even Chapman in the pecking order, although that implies that both are judged as wingers which is clearly not the case.

Gallagher out wide has never made sense. Brereton definitely does, and it worked on occasion with Gallagher wide and Armstrong central, indeed whilst I never liked Gallagher out wide, you can understand why Armstrong was prioritised centrally. Now, we are sorely lacking in that area.

We definitely need an upgrade on Gallagher though, he isnt really a goalscorer, his touch is poor, he doesnt bring others into play and the timing of his runs is poor. He is powerful once he gets into his stride and he isnt totally without his uses, but if we are dependant on him and Brereton to get our goals this season, it is going to be tough.

Poveda has looked talented when I have seen him with cameos off the bench at Leeds. Questions would surround a potential lack of end product.

We only have 4 loan spaces left though, and both are very similar. We need a left back, a centre back and a central midfielder who can break forward and score goals, as well as of course a striker.

I personally think it would make sense for the owners to at least be flexible enough to bring in a striker for a small fee and maybe fill one or two of those aforementioned vacancies with free transfers, but it seems to be a kids on loan only policy.

If it is true, then it is an incredibly restrictive policy. There is no reason why we can't invest even a small proportion of the Armstrong money to buy a replacement, but it would be typical Venkys if they didnt allow the logic of bringing in a replacement who can be then sold on for profit again at a later date.

 

Ah ya, we definitely need to get the striker on a permanent. It's not that much to ask!