Steve Waggott

[martonrover]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

It would be nice to break through the 15,000 home fans ceiling that seems to have materialised over the last few years. It should hardly be considered an acheivement, especially on Boxing Day, but getting up to 18-20k home fans together with 7000+ away fans would be cracking.

Sadly due to policies of the last 7-8 years I think even those numbers are a pipe dream unless the tourist clubs come to town.

Would love to be wrong though.

Won't help that it's on Sky, especially on a day when people have other places to be.

[only2garners]

5 hours ago, martonrover said:

Won't help that it's on Sky, especially on a day when people have other places to be.

On the other hand Boxing Day has always been a traditional day for going to the football.

[because of boxing day]

3 hours ago, only2garners said:

On the other hand Boxing Day has always been a traditional day for going to the football.

No……. Boxing Day is THE traditional day for going to the football. 

Edited December 3 by because of boxing day

[Forever Blue]

Think we had close to 22k against Leeds. If we do well in the next few games a gate of 25k for Sunderland is not unthinkable. Lots of families go on the football Boxing Day who rarely bother for rest of the year. 

[47er]

9 hours ago, martonrover said:

Won't help that it's on Sky, especially on a day when people have other places to be.

That's why its CAT B!

[martonrover]

5 hours ago, only2garners said:

On the other hand Boxing Day has always been a traditional day for going to the football.

Agreed, but it wasn’t tradition for every single game on Boxing Day in one division to be broadcast live on tv, (which is the case in the Championship this Year).

[damo100]

I see no reason why we wouldn't shift 17-18k

Boxing day games are special and this one will be a cracker

[DuffsLeftPeg]

Steve Waggott is a c**t!

[simongarnerisgod]

x2,he`s a slimy ****

[Claytons Left Boot]

On 03/12/2024 at 20:52, Forever Blue said:

Think we had close to 22k against Leeds. If we do well in the next few games a gate of 25k for Sunderland is not unthinkable. Lots of families go on the football Boxing Day who rarely bother for rest of the year. 

On Boxing Day 1974 v Preston we had 24k on and Preston didn’t bring too many. Must have been at least 21k Rovers fans on. With a bit of imaginative marketing from those at Ewood and given it’s a game between two of the better teams in the league over the Christmas period, a crowd approaching capacity should be aimed for. As stated earlier in the thread, Boxing Day is THE day for top football attendances throughout England.

[Mattyblue]

Unfortunately we just won’t get close due to having so few ST holders. We’d need to sell 14,000 walk ons at £25-£35 when on Sky to boot, Boxing Day or not it ain’t happening.

But as you say price it at £15-£20 and market the hell out of it and you could see it as whole families, kids bringing their mates etc etc, alas this set up can’t be arsed with all that.

[simongarnerisgod]

26 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Unfortunately we just won’t get close due to having so few ST holders. We’d need to sell 14,000 walk ons at £25-£35 when on Sky to boot, Boxing Day or not it ain’t happening.

But as you say price it at £15-£20 and market the hell out of it and you could see it as whole families, kids bringing their mates etc etc, alas this set up can’t be arsed with all that.

to much effort organising extra police,stewards,catering staff etc,like you said,any normal club would be going all out to get a bumper crowd,especially as we are doing well at the moment

[superniko]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

Unfortunately we just won’t get close due to having so few ST holders. We’d need to sell 14,000 walk ons at £25-£35 when on Sky to boot, Boxing Day or not it ain’t happening.

But as you say price it at £15-£20 and market the hell out of it and you could see it as whole families, kids bringing their mates etc etc, alas this set up can’t be arsed with all that.

Interested in general opinion - what do people think we’d sell for a Playoff Semi-Final at say £30 a ticket considering it’s not inclusive of ST (Waggot wouldn’t sell cheaper than that).

I remember being in the crowd for the League Cup semi vs Villa and being less than 20k (albeit mid-week night match).

[Mattyblue]

I’d say 15/16k or so home tickets, but presumably with a full Darwen End so a decent looking Ewood.

Edited December 11 by Mattyblue

[damo100]

On 11/12/2024 at 20:40, Mattyblue said:

I’d say 15/16k or so home tickets, but presumably with a full Darwen End so a decent looking Ewood.

Surprisingly or not, Rovers have shifted a lot more for the Burnley game than Luton, Hull or Sunderland that proceed.

Based on away support. 

Luton 13,250

Hull 13,675

Sunderland 23,800

Burnley 24,500

Edited December 14 by damo100

[Claytons Left Boot]

Back on Boxing Day 1974, we had no marketing and very few season ticket holders and 21k home fans turned up. Back on Boxing Day 1977, we had no marketing, very few season ticket holders, nothing other than passion for both our town and our football club and thousands upon thousands travelled to Turf Moor.

Folk these days, unfortunately, need a rocket up their arse to get down to Ewood. So you’ve got to look at sensible pricing and a marketing strategy instead.

They haven’t done it since before Covid but Wigan Rugby, for many seasons, used to target one game each season to bring in a bumper crowd and they called it the ‘Big One.’ Loads of marketing, weeks in advance, by email, Facebook and the other Socials, schools, local companies and handing out some free or reduced price tickets. They also had an arrangement with the Heinz factory in the town and their employees, where they also received subsidised tickets.  It was always a success and generally put 4 or 5k on the gate dependent upon who we were playing.

That all takes effort, of course, and I don’t think there is anyone capable of such enterprise within the corridors of Ewood at this moment in time.

I reckon we’ll end up with a crowd of around 24k, split being 17k home fans and 7k from Sunderland. Should easily be more.

[Dan]

14 hours ago, Claytons Left Boot said:

Back on Boxing Day 1974, we had no marketing and very few season ticket holders and 21k home fans turned up. Back on Boxing Day 1977, we had no marketing, very few season ticket holders, nothing other than passion for both our town and our football club and thousands upon thousands travelled to Turf Moor.

Folk these days, unfortunately, need a rocket up their arse to get down to Ewood. So you’ve got to look at sensible pricing and a marketing strategy instead.

They haven’t done it since before Covid but Wigan Rugby, for many seasons, used to target one game each season to bring in a bumper crowd and they called it the ‘Big One.’ Loads of marketing, weeks in advance, by email, Facebook and the other Socials, schools, local companies and handing out some free or reduced price tickets. They also had an arrangement with the Heinz factory in the town and their employees, where they also received subsidised tickets.  It was always a success and generally put 4 or 5k on the gate dependent upon who we were playing.

That all takes effort, of course, and I don’t think there is anyone capable of such enterprise within the corridors of Ewood at this moment in time.

I reckon we’ll end up with a crowd of around 24k, split being 17k home fans and 7k from Sunderland. Should easily be more.

If we had owners that care, we’d have a decent CEO. We haven’t. They don’t give a fuck. Maybe worried a packing out Ewood might help the promotion push; that’s the last thing they need. 

[smiller14]

18 hours ago, Dan said:

If we had owners that care, we’d have a decent CEO. We haven’t. They don’t give a fuck. Maybe worried a packing out Ewood might help the promotion push; that’s the last thing they need. 

One thing that confuses me is why Waggott wouldn't want us to get promoted? I'm no fan of his but if we somehow snuck up he'd likely get a massive bonus and would be guaranteed a job for life. Or am I missing something?

I'm not suggesting he'll do anything pro active to achieve it but the quoted post suggests us selling a lot of tickets (thus hitting his revenue targets) would be a negative as it would help the team play well. 

[simongarnerisgod]

On 11/12/2024 at 20:34, superniko said:

Interested in general opinion - what do people think we’d sell for a Playoff Semi-Final at say £30 a ticket considering it’s not inclusive of ST (Waggot wouldn’t sell cheaper than that).

I remember being in the crowd for the League Cup semi vs Villa and being less than 20k (albeit mid-week night match).

hardly surprising with allardyce and the cup,he did`nt take either of them seriously,it was an interesting 2nd leg though!!!

[roversfan99]

Yeah I dont understand it at all. If we got promoted, his wage would likely go up and he would likely get a bonus as you say.

It all comes down to the owners and there is a disportionate amount of ire elsewhere. They dont give a shit and havent for a long while, lapdog Pasha recently told the fans forum that they have no plans to come over and are focusing on other stuff. They have had no intention or inclination well before the court case to try and help the team to make a genuine attempt at getting up. They may even have skeletons in the closet that the Premier League limelight will expose, who knoes but even focusing on what we can see, they dont give a shit.

Is he proactive enough to push the owners as much as possible? Obviously not, hes a kiss arse comfy in his position. And does he have the competence to grow the club? Clearly not. But no way does promotion not benefit him.

[JHRover]

Waggott already has a job for life as does anyone else down there as long as they are happy to keep their heads down, do what they need to do, keep quiet and don't rock the boat or offend Venkys.

So I doubt promotion would make his job any more secure than it already is.

The only way he's leaving is if he retires or if he suddenly decides to go rogue and turn the spotlight on the owners, which as we know from Allardyce, Williams, Lambert, JDT very very quickly sees your time come to an end here. 

I'd hoped by now that approaching 71 he'd have retired but obviously this job is too lucrative and cushy for him to give up voluntarily even at that age.

So he can keep his head down, keep things ticking over, do the bare minimum to hit his targets, collect his wage and count down the days to retirement.

Or he can apply pressure to the owners to go further, harder, back the manager. With that comes all sorts of extra pressure, risk, attention that he clearly doesn't want here.

Personally I doubt he could even contact the owners even if he suddenly wanted to. 

His decision making over the last 7(!) years now shows us that pushing for promotion just isn't in his vocabulary. JDT was desperate to do that and Waggott quickly put that to bed by talking about survival. I imagine right now he's happy that 50 points is getting nearer and nearer but also concerned that Eustace will (quite rightly) be expecting some level of support in January when there is zero intention of providing that. He will be worried about last season repeating itself and the manager giving up or walking elsewhere when he is failed by the club in January. He might get lucky and avoid that with Eustace probably a calmer and more patient character than JDT but it won't last long.

[Upside Down]

3 hours ago, JHRover said:

Waggott already has a job for life as does anyone else down there as long as they are happy to keep their heads down, do what they need to do, keep quiet and don't rock the boat or offend Venkys.

So I doubt promotion would make his job any more secure than it already is.

The only way he's leaving is if he retires or if he suddenly decides to go rogue and turn the spotlight on the owners, which as we know from Allardyce, Williams, Lambert, JDT very very quickly sees your time come to an end here. 

I'd hoped by now that approaching 71 he'd have retired but obviously this job is too lucrative and cushy for him to give up voluntarily even at that age.

So he can keep his head down, keep things ticking over, do the bare minimum to hit his targets, collect his wage and count down the days to retirement.

Or he can apply pressure to the owners to go further, harder, back the manager. With that comes all sorts of extra pressure, risk, attention that he clearly doesn't want here.

Personally I doubt he could even contact the owners even if he suddenly wanted to. 

His decision making over the last 7(!) years now shows us that pushing for promotion just isn't in his vocabulary. JDT was desperate to do that and Waggott quickly put that to bed by talking about survival. I imagine right now he's happy that 50 points is getting nearer and nearer but also concerned that Eustace will (quite rightly) be expecting some level of support in January when there is zero intention of providing that. He will be worried about last season repeating itself and the manager giving up or walking elsewhere when he is failed by the club in January. He might get lucky and avoid that with Eustace probably a calmer and more patient character than JDT but it won't last long.

If only he did the bare minimum.

Absolute fucking cunt.

[rigger]

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Yeah I dont understand it at all. If we got promoted, his wage would likely go up and he would likely get a bonus as you say.

It all comes down to the owners and there is a disportionate amount of ire elsewhere. They dont give a shit and havent for a long while, lapdog Pasha recently told the fans forum that they have no plans to come over and are focusing on other stuff. They have had no intention or inclination well before the court case to try and help the team to make a genuine attempt at getting up. They may even have skeletons in the closet that the Premier League limelight will expose, who knoes but even focusing on what we can see, they dont give a shit.

Is he proactive enough to push the owners as much as possible? Obviously not, hes a kiss arse comfy in his position. And does he have the competence to grow the club? Clearly not. But no way does promotion not benefit him.

Unless he has been told by the owners that his job depends on us staying in the championship. 

[Forever Blue]

It benefits everyone at the club to get promoted. The conspiracy theories are a bit odd. 

[Mattyblue]

The owners aren’t arsed about Blackburn Rovers and that’s reflected in the mediocrities they employ to run the place for them, not a lot else to it.