Waggott's interview with media

[RevidgeBlue]

19 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

But when you look at Venkys you have to look at their past behaviour as well as finances 

They have the ability to hire almost any name they can realistically attract to Rovers but so far we have been in the market of cast offs or dodgy pundits. There’s not many who have had a good CV come through the doors in their time. In that case it is hard to think of whatever positive could be happening behind the scenes. Especially when one of the biggest chancers we have seen in Waggott is still sat on his spinning chair.

Can't disagree with any of that. Actions speak louder than words as they say so we'll have to see what happens over the coming months.

[AllRoverAsia]

2 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

And the above is exactly why I set about doing the proactive work that I have done. I did accept what DS said to me in two phone calls as he refused a face to face meeting, a mistake on my behalf that I failed to follow up or progress (but there are many reasons behind that).

I do not think for a moment everything is rosey or will be better in the immediate interim period although in saying that, I believe there is a solid future for BRFC and there are good examples of great work behind the scenes which fully support that viewpoint. There are things happening which many wont see nor understand, there are many who still believe there are huge cutbacks being made by the owners when in fact the opposite it the real truth, there are many who know very little about the academy progress, the plans and the future and yet, success is there for all to see. It seems to me that at times many on here and other forums and indeed our fan base, who just seem to rely on personal opinion, speculation and non founded stories. An example is the lack of getting a striker to replace AA, its simply not true that money wasn't available, it was down to medical reasons and nothing more. It is wrong to speculate as some do about Nyambe, Rothwell and Leneghan not signing contracts because of money/finance issues when it is simply not true.

The above are just simplified examples where people form an opinion on something they have read rather than having some credible evidence that would support their view.

As for positives in 10 or so years? I have to agree with you but there have been positives, promotion, establishing a foothold in the division we are in, progress off the park with the Academy, the best crop of youth players we have ever had, despite a pandemic and low crowds we still avoided a Derby FFP like issue and continue to do so. We are not in a position like Reading are in respect of a forthcoming points deduction and we are not hamstrung by being unable to sign players other than freebies. Even if you have no liking for the owners you have to have the view that without them BRFC would not be here nor would they able to survive. There is no external debt to any 3rd party.

Are these not positives to take?

TM and SW may not be well liked by many, I can understand that, I repeat I have been in the need for change camp so its not a case of blowing smoke up anyones backside.

Absolute cobblers.

We are where we are because of them.

The debt has accrued on their watch.

Who knows where we would be if that shit hadn't washed up on Ewood shores.

You don't. I don't.

Meanwhile I waiting for something not to happen and don't know what it is .... bloody marvelous what wearing the wrong Tie can do.

[gumboots]

4 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

It is not divisive at all unless you want it to be. 

My point is that and it is a point I have mentioned so many times, rabid speculation when it is without foundation does more harm than good.

There are many on here that actively seek out the truth, have information contrary to what some believe and which is factually correct. 

Posting views is entirely correct as is posting an opinion of topical news.

You do often find on here,, as well as other forums, that those who do post "positive" news often get derided and the derision stems from believing information that they deem to be contrary to their own view!

I'm sorry but it is divisive if you tell some people things, don't tell everyone, and then tell everyone that you've only told a handful of people. I don't care if you only consider that you can trust a handful of people. That's your right and I fully understand it. I wouldn't trust everyone here either if I had inside info, which I never do. But telling US, the unfavoured many, that you know something and now understand things better because of that but will only share with a select few is, even if you don't think so, creating us and them.

Edited September 28, 2021 by gumboots

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Some kool-aid swallowing here 1864. You’ve viciously and consistently slagged these owners off for years and now you are decrying those that haven’t yet had your St Paul conversion as ‘negative’ or ignoramuses  that just ‘don’t understand’. After this disgraceful decade, said fans have every right to be sceptical about a few cryptic clues on a message board.

Oh and it must have been a pretty shit decade if not getting stranded in the third division is something to savour for a club that was a PL stalwart when they got their hands on it.

Yep,what/who the hell has got to you Roverite?

Edited September 28, 2021 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[Wheelton Blue]

I don't know 1864 from Adam, but I'm pretty sure that he isn't on a wind up mission at all.

I'm nothing special or 'in the know', but I was one of those who was asked for input prior to his discussions with the club taking place; my gut feel tells me that 1864 is genuine, and I applaud him for getting off his arse and making the conversation happen.

In hindsight, perhaps he shouldn't have said anything on here and kept schtum, seeing as it bothers people. He's doing the right thing, however, by keeping in confidence what was said to him.

As always though, Venkys are Venkys, so let's see what arises. 

And before anyone asks, no, I don't know anything!

 

[Mattyblue]

I’ve absolutely no issue with whatever it is he’s doing, hope it comes off. I’ve also  no issues with the little cryptic tidbits posted by the likes of 1864 or Rev, or whoever. It’s no different than a bit of transfer gossip, livens up the board and you can take it or leave it.

I do have an issue with 1864 calling ‘negative’ those that don’t believe they have changed just because they haven’t had the dubious honour of a sit down with those that have said a lot this past decade and delivered the square root of feck all. 

If he wants to take what is being fed to him at face value after a decade of BS then good luck to him (especially after he’s been stung before) but I and others reserve the right to be just a little sceptical.
 

[JHRover]

2 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Sunderland, Ipswich and Wigan? All suffered additional relegations we

 

 

I'm not sure we can really say any of those clubs are in that bad states compared to us.

I mean granted they are currently in the League below, but Sunderland and Wigan are looking like promotion contenders and Ipswich were expected to be and look to have a manager and squad set up to compete for promotion.

All those clubs suffered relegations to League One just like we did. The difference was/is that all went down due to ownership cuts and changes, whereas we went down purely down to mismanagement.

Sunderland got rid of Ellis Short and are now debt free under new ownership. Ipswich got rid of Marcus Evans and are now debt free under American ownership, Wigan got rid of their dodgy owners and are now run by someone who has pumped in money and turned them around so far.

All are on a more stable financial footing, less debt, better managed and getting bigger crowds than this club.

Put simply if you were to offer me their positions with new owners now or our position with Venkys I'd take theirs any day of the week. A couple of weeks in the top 6 won't change that for me.

[arbitro]

The only thing I know for sure about these owners is that they aloof and arrogant. They didn't reply to the Currie and Battersby offer a few years ago and from the recent information haven't even acknowledged the letter from Rovers Trust. I'm pretty sure that there have been others trying to contact them to absolutely no avail. The damage, as far as I'm concerned is irreparable and everything bad that has happened to our club in the last decade (and there is a lot) is down to them. If someone has got or believes they can get some dialogue with them then good luck to them.

As far as I'm concerned the best form of redemption from them would be to write off the debt and let some other group who actually care to take over. Until that day I can't come close to giving them anything other that short shrift.

[Leonard Venkhater]

57 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

Then you are so wrong my friend and before anyone suggests it I am not a plant, a reporter, an in the know, a conspirator or whatever else some may suggest.

Most people know my feelings about the Raos and the destruction of our beloved club. However, the only thing that is giving me any hope are the rumours -from various sources-that things might be changing. And such messages are coming from others, who have posted similar views to my own as well.

Yes, it might be another case of a thousand candles burning for the help that never came, but I am managing to keep an open mind-somehow!

Would you mind sending me a private message giving me a hint. If not, no worries...

I also understand that Rovers have 15 people employed to "influence" social media, but I stress I don't include you in that group...

[1864roverite]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

The only thing I know for sure about these owners is that they aloof and arrogant. They didn't reply to the Currie and Battersby offer a few years ago and from the recent information haven't even acknowledged the letter from Rovers Trust. I'm pretty sure that there have been others trying to contact them to absolutely no avail. The damage, as far as I'm concerned is irreparable and everything bad that has happened to our club in the last decade (and there is a lot) is down to them. If someone has got or believes they can get some dialogue with them then good luck to them.

As far as I'm concerned the best form of redemption from them would be to write off the debt and let some other group who actually care to take over. Until that day I can't come close to giving them anything other that short shrift.

Mssrs Currie and co are not here banging the door down nor is anyone else wanting to buy the club as it stands.

As for the letter I saw and read it agreed with a lot of the issues highlighted disagreed in the manner it was presented. That was my opinion. Funny re contact because all it took was a series of well constructed emails👍

[blondie]

So if there's a massive restructuring behind the scenes, why all the cloak and dagger innuendo.

[Oldgregg86]

What I don’t understand is if there is such positive steps being taken why isn’t the club sharing and promoting these ideas/plans. Surly if it’s a good thing waggott and co would be all over this in the media etc. Why keep secret positive news with such a dwindling fan base ? Any good PR would usually be all over social media and the news

[Dreams of 1995]

55 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

What I don’t understand is if there is such positive steps being taken why isn’t the club sharing and promoting these ideas/plans. Surly if it’s a good thing waggott and co would be all over this in the media etc. Why keep secret positive news with such a dwindling fan base ? Any good PR would usually be all over social media and the news

Because it isn’t happening

It will never happen whilst they are here. Simple as that really. I’d bet my last quid on it. Why have they suddenly realised what it takes to run a club and, if they have, why is it taking so long to sort it? 

[Mike E]

3 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Mssrs Currie and co are not here banging the door down nor is anyone else wanting to buy the club as it stands.

As for the letter I saw and read it agreed with a lot of the issues highlighted disagreed in the manner it was presented. That was my opinion. Funny re contact because all it took was a series of well constructed emails👍

You couldn't be wider from the mark (not necessarily the person mentioned, mind).

[chaddyrovers]

21 minutes ago, Mike E said:

You couldn't be wider from the mark (not necessarily the person mentioned, mind).

So who is after the buying club Then?

[lraC]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

So who is after the buying club Then?

No one. They still don’t want to sell.

[chaddyrovers]

10 hours ago, JimEdd said:

Spoke ti Paul Fieldig 

 

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What do you think of him?

[RoversClitheroe]

30 minutes ago, Mike E said:

You couldn't be wider from the mark (not necessarily the person mentioned, mind).

IPL owners still keen to invest within the club? 

@1864roveriteplease don't tell me the positive changes that are going to happen are things like this Memory wall being opened up to under 18s? Yes it's a nicety but it's not a big change that's needed.

Staff getting there free season tickets taken away too, really struggling to see what these positive changes are.

Edited September 28, 2021 by RoversClitheroe

[RevidgeBlue]

3 hours ago, Oldgregg86 said:

What I don’t understand is if there is such positive steps being taken why isn’t the club sharing and promoting these ideas/plans. Surly if it’s a good thing waggott and co would be all over this in the media etc. Why keep secret positive news with such a dwindling fan base ? Any good PR would usually be all over social media and the news

It's a very fair question. The only explanation I can put on it is that the new appointments have been made by Venky's and the mob down at Ewood don't feel like advertising the fact.

As for the positive steps, it's still very early days and you would hope the Club would release information in a managed way in due course as and when appropriate.

[Mike E]

41 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

So who is after the buying club Then?

People with similar wealth to Venkys.

People with similar wealth to Jack Walker.

People somewhere inbetween.

I know of at least 3 parties with an active interest, but while the club isn't for sale, nothing to be done.

[AllRoverAsia]

7 minutes ago, Mike E said:

People with similar wealth to Venkys.

People with similar wealth to Jack Walker.

People somewhere inbetween.

I know of at least 3 parties with an active interest, but while the club isn't for sale, nothing to be done.

Ignoring the Venkys intransigence for a moment this is the most positive and believable post I've read on this thread in the past 2 days.

[1864roverite]

6 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

 

If he wants to take what is being fed to him at face value after a decade of BS then good luck to him (especially after he’s been stung before) but I and others reserve the right to be just a little sceptical.
 

Being fed? Quite the contrary MB. If you think I just turned up for a chat without research or being unprepared you are mistaken.

I think being stung once is a tad off the mark. At the time and it was a good few years ago I accepted what Shaw told me and I did not have access to the research and kind of information I had before going on this occasion.

In any case DS turned out to be exactly what he was thought to be😅

[1864roverite]

16 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Ignoring the Venkys intransigence for a moment this is the most positive and believable post I've read on this thread in the past 2 days.

It just isn’t credible to believe that there is billionaire interest in Rovers and that in midst of a worldwide pandemic venkys wouldn’t sell 😅 I say that because if there was it would be out there and obvious 

[chaddyrovers]

30 minutes ago, Mike E said:

People with similar wealth to Venkys.

People with similar wealth to Jack Walker.

People somewhere inbetween.

I know of at least 3 parties with an active interest, but while the club isn't for sale, nothing to be done.

How do you know this and these people? 

Active interest? 

[arbitro]

5 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Mssrs Currie and co are not here banging the door down nor is anyone else wanting to buy the club as it stands.

As for the letter I saw and read it agreed with a lot of the issues highlighted disagreed in the manner it was presented. That was my opinion. Funny re contact because all it took was a series of well constructed emails👍

Thanks to the owners the club is pretty much unreliable a buyer is out of the question unless it's a nominal sum after the owners have wrote the debt off. People have tried in the past to help them but grew tired of banging their heads against the brick wall the owners are. As I said if you really believe you can get through to them find but I certainly won't be doffing my cap to them.