v QPR (a) - 19/10/21

[1864roverite]

30 minutes ago, arbitro said:

So it's Venky's Out now then?👍👍

It always has been from the very first day that hasn’t changed and nor will it change their running of this great club has been nothing short of diabolical incompetence

[Mattyblue]

Hang on, so you want the owners out? So what has this sustained campaign of yours these past couple of months been all about then?

Edited October 20, 2021 by Mattyblue

[booth]

11 minutes ago, tomphil said:

It wouldn't be so bad if they were back up to our own but football messiah Mowbray is actually trying to conjor up formations for them. At the same time in doing this he's wasting our own attacking talent in favor of them being deployed just to stop the opposition.

It’s what he’s known for doing.

It was frustrating to see him tinker with the team/formation “trying to nullify the opposition” in League 1 against clearly inferior teams. He could get away with it in that league and he’s not bright enough to figure out he can’t do it in this league.

He was just as much an idiot doing it back then but he had the luxury of having a very good league 1 side at the time to cover up his mistakes.

 

[RoversClitheroe]

17 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

It always has been from the very first day that hasn’t changed and nor will it change their running of this great club has been nothing short of diabolical incompetence

Really keen to hear about these positive changes afoot, currently see nothing positive from a footballing stand point? 

[tomphil]

4 minutes ago, booth said:

It’s what he’s known for doing.

It was frustrating to see him tinker with the team/formation “trying to nullify the opposition” in League 1 against clearly inferior teams. He could get away with it in that league and he’s not bright enough to figure out he can’t do it in this league.

He was just as much an idiot doing it back then but he had the luxury of having a very good league 1 side at the time to cover up his mistakes.

 

Yes it's an achiles heel of his all along and at times it makes no sense but he just lacks ambition i guess.

Last season we'd probably have had 65% possession, 2 shots on goal and lost 0-1. 

[Dolly blue]

Bolton, Wigan and Blackpool continue to be mentioned as examples of “ it’s as bad as it gets” …end of the world stuff….well , I would love  to be  where any of the 3 are now ..WHY 

1 Free of leeching owners who took the local pride and identity out of their club 

2 A united fan base ( lower league football ) but with a reason to believe …and what’s more RESPECT the leadership.

3 A manager who speaks the truth, has a progressive outlook on the game , selects players according to position, fitness , appreciates the fan base , who looks at himself when things go wrong ( not  kids to be thrown under the bus ) …and doesn’t look the epitome of misery and depression.

4 Increasing gates, regular contact with season ticket holders …phone calls during Covid lockdown, emails , birthday cards to young fans, questionnaires re the direction of the club

5 LIFE…HOPE ( maybe shit football at times eg 4 nil hammering at home ) but a planned JOURNEY …one to be a part of …and one that actually travels in forward gear ….not reverse 

….yet we are told to be grateful for what we have …good luck Bolton, Wigan and Blackpool…you deserve your freedom…We do as well …but the road is long 😢

[arbitro]

27 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

It always has been from the very first day that hasn’t changed and nor will it change their running of this great club has been nothing short of diabolical incompetence

Well please stop posting about other clubs who have been through the mill and are now better for getting rid of poor owners in some comparison to us and where we might be without that lot. By doing so I interpret that as you putting up some defence of Venkys because they are still putting money in.

[den]

I can’t imagine Mowbray will know where to start after that performance.  It wasn’t just an off day. Individual performances were very, very poor, up front we posed no threat whatsoever, midfield was completely awful and the back four were anything but convincing. We couldn’t maintain any shape, we couldn’t lay a tackle on a rather boring QPR side.

If you look in any old programme and look at the relegation seasons, you’ll  see the squads and realise how poor they were. I suspect we might be doing that in a few years when we look back at this seasons programmes.

 

[Wheelton Blue]

1 minute ago, den said:

If you look in any old programme and look at the relegation seasons, you’ll  see the squads and realise how poor they were. I suspect we might be doing that in a few years when we look back at this seasons programmes.

 

That's my fear. Unless the club acts quickly, we're in the mire.

I genuinely think we'll go down unless something drastic happens.

[RoversClitheroe]

2 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

That's my fear. Unless the club acts quickly, we're in the mire.

I genuinely think we'll go down unless something drastic happens.

E.g. manager and CEO go

[booth]

3 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

That's my fear. Unless the club acts quickly, we're in the mire.

I genuinely think we'll go down unless something drastic happens.

The really scary thing is that in Pune it’s just Wednesday.

[Parsonblue]

After an 18 month break this was the first long distance midweek trip that I swore I would never do again.  Like a fool that needs the drug of following Rovers I crawl into bed at 3.30 am this morning after witnessing another inept performance.

I'll readily admit that I was happy with Mowbray for the first 18 months of his time at the club.  I felt he steadied a ship that was rapidly sinking.  But, like Bob Saxton before him - and I think that are huge parallels between the managers - there comes a point when a change of direction is needed.  For me we are long past that point.

However, I don't believe that Mowbray is totally responsible for the state this club is in.  Those responsible reside on another continent, have little interest in the club and their complete indifference to it is clear for all to see.

We are going to lose some of the few decent players we have left because the club refuses to pay the going rate for Championship footballers.  So the likes of Nyambe, Rotherwell, Lenihan and Brereton will disappear at some point whilst we bring in more kids like Poveda and Clarkson on loan to fill the ever increasing gaps.

Last night's performance was pitiful.  I think it was 80 minutes or so before we had a shot on target.  Our midfield was non-existent with QPR players able to run 20 yards or more with the ball and challenges were there none.  Clarkson looked lost, Danny Butterworth hasn't played any meaningful football for months and then suddenly thrown in and expected to perform miracles with little or no service.  The three centre-back system doesn't with Mowbray.  It never has and it never will particularly as we don't have the quality of player to make it work.  If Ayala ever gets injured we are royally stuffed.

Oh for the days of Souness, Kendall or Don Mackay at this level.  Guys who knew that you needed seasoned pros who could get the job done.

But this is Venky's Blackburn Rovers so we will carry doing the same things year in and year out and nothing will change.  For it to change you have to care and in the eleven years they've been here they've never shown the slightest inclination that they care about the club and the community around it.

At the moment this club is like a re-run of the late sixties at Ewood with the inevitable relegation just around the corner.  The only difference being we didn't have so called billionaire owners in the sixties.

[TheRovers1994]

I decided on Saturday that I wasn’t even gonna pay £14 for sheff United I wouldn’t even pay 14p, mowbrsyvis careless and out his depth he doesn’t fear the sack he even appointed his own boss ffs, he couldn’t care less if he was sacked he just won’t leave even though he said he wouldn’t wanna be a burden cause he wants the pay off. Sick to death of him no enthusiasm, shite tactics, poor man management.

says it all that he’s already thrown away 2 half time 2-0 leads from the exact same tactics against two mediocre at best teams who was here for the taking. The mans ab arrogant wanker but unfortunately he’s here till may atleast but the big problem is the club needs all round change all the first team management team need clearing bar Johnson and the whole board room especially the owners.

I was picking and choosing games before now I ain’t gonna bother, I ain’t swimming in cash and there is no way I’m parting with 25 quid plus train or bus then food and drink plus my brothers ticket and even my partner for that crap when I can be spending the day doing something worth while

[jim mk2]

It wasn't just the likes of Butterworth and Clarkson who were dire last night

Brereton was a big disappointment; he spends more time on his backside complaining to the referee than he does on his feet. He and Gallagher are 2 hulking big lads yet they get knocked off the ball so easily and are totally unable to shield the ball with their backs to goal 

Rothwell apart from one little run and a shot near the end was anonymous and clearly needs a midfield enforcer next to him to win him the ball. When Travis (who had another poor game) went off  we just didn't have one

The only players who did put in a decent shift were Nyambe, the left back from Lincoln, and Ayala. The rest just did not turn up as far as I was concerned.

Six of us went last night, spending about a  collective £300 in tickets, travel costs, food etc. We won't do that again until there is change at the club. 

 

Edited October 20, 2021 by jim mk2

[Mattyblue]

That’s a real commitment Jim and there were 800 others in the away end with you at £30 a pop on a horrible night with it on the red button.

And people talk about ‘passionate Geordies’.

 

[Gone to seed]

There was definitely an air of inevitability about last night's result. The more astute amongst us (not me!) have spoken about the Mowbray Death Spiral, as a pattern that is woven inextricably into the manager's modus operandum. I think there is something concrete in that, and the only disappointment is that the concrete isn't a lifejacket taking Mowbray and his cronies to the bottom of a deep ocean.

The season plods on. Down to 11th, relegation form on the pitch, dwindling crowds, key players eyeing the exit door...

Yup! Sounds like a Gurning Chump's wet dream...

Venkys OUT! Mowbray OUT! Gurning cheating liars OUT!

[1864roverite]

54 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Well please stop posting about other clubs who have been through the mill and are now better for getting rid of poor owners in some comparison to us and where we might be without that lot. By doing so I interpret that as you putting up some defence of Venkys because they are still putting money in.

It’s not me who rants about other clubs misfortunes and again at binoojntnhwve I ever defended venkys. If they didn’t put the cash exactly where would we be? Up shit creek administration and relegation x 2 or even more

[Sparks Rover]

16 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

If they didn’t put the cash exactly where would we be?

If you didn't pay your bills where would you be?  You sell your house the new owner pays the bills.....what's wrong with you?

[tomphil]

22 minutes ago, WIR Second Coming said:

There was definitely an air of inevitability about last night's result. The more astute amongst us (not me!) have spoken about the Mowbray Death Spiral, as a pattern that is woven inextricably into the manager's modus operandum. I think there is something concrete in that, and the only disappointment is that the concrete isn't a lifejacket taking Mowbray and his cronies to the bottom of a deep ocean.

The season plods on. Down to 11th, relegation form on the pitch, dwindling crowds, key players eyeing the exit door...

Yup! Sounds like a Gurning Chump's wet dream...

Venkys OUT! Mowbray OUT! Gurning cheating liars OUT!

He doesn't have a core solid system that he returns to when the right bods are available. It's been the same right through his tenure yet he likes to pretend different but the evidence to regular watchers is overwhelming.

No need for that bullshit last night but that's what he comes up with time and again just to accommodate players. What base do the team get to play off when it is so disjointed ?

There is just no need for it at this level when the core of your side is available. Yet just watch next game they'll come flying out the traps and go 2 nil up.

Most frustrating and confusing manager in the clubs modern history and that's saying something.

[Sparks Rover]

6 minutes ago, tomphil said:

No need for that bullshit last night but that's what he comes up with time and again just to accommodate players.

Exactly.  The problem is that Bielsa and Potter will be expecting their wingers to be playing sooner rather than later, or they'll be going back.  So, expect them to be starting in the coming games.....🤷‍♂️🙄

[lraC]

1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Really keen to hear about these positive changes afoot, currently see nothing positive from a footballing stand point? 

Me too.

I sincerely hope he hasn't had a dose of someone talking the talk, just to get rid of another pesky fan meddling in their little project. We need drastic action and quickly as the fans are getting more despondent, with every passing game.

[lraC]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

Well please stop posting about other clubs who have been through the mill and are now better for getting rid of poor owners in some comparison to us and where we might be without that lot. By doing so I interpret that as you putting up some defence of Venkys because they are still putting money in.

That's how it seems to me too, quoting Bolton losing 2-0 at Plymouth last night as an example. I do keep an eye on Bolton as my kids were brought up there, so know a lot of Wanders fans. Their journey has been painful at times, but they are definitely on the way up again and rid of dodgy owners and mountains of debt.

[islander200]

1 hour ago, den said:

I can’t imagine Mowbray will know where to start after that performance.  It wasn’t just an off day. Individual performances were very, very poor, up front we posed no threat whatsoever, midfield was completely awful and the back four were anything but convincing. We couldn’t maintain any shape, we couldn’t lay a tackle on a rather boring QPR side.

If you look in any old programme and look at the relegation seasons, you’ll  see the squads and realise how poor they were. I suspect we might be doing that in a few years when we look back at this seasons programmes.

 

Have you seen some of the other teams squads and performances?We are poor but there is worse In this division.

I'm willing to take any bet that we won't go down this season?

[Sparks Rover]

5 minutes ago, islander200 said:

 

I'm willing to take any bet that we won't go down this season?

Odds?

[G Somerset Rover]

Mowbray is even getting pelters from QPR fans for his approach/comments last night: 

Edited October 20, 2021 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!