What a mess this club is.

[47er]

8 hours ago, JWU-Andy said:

it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if you're selling assets to fund the day to day expenses of a football club/business/household then you're in trouble - big trouble.  Then again, reading some of the people who blindly follow (in the name of being a loyal fan 😂) the club no matter what, maybe it is.

To be serious for a moment though, the club really didn't have a choice if they wanted to comply with the current P&S rules, but you've got to ask yourself why revenue; matchday, corporate and commercial is down so much?  Personally i think there is a disconnect between the fanbase (on many levels) and the club.  Until the disconnect is seriously addressed, the decline in revenue lines (as SW likes to call them) will continue.

I'd love to know the conversations that happen behind closed doors as to why the revenue continues to decline - or maybe everybody just looks the other way and takes their monthly wage without rocking the boat. Who knows.

They probably think  is our fault in that we refuse to believe its no longer 1995. 

It certainly won't be their fault.

[Sparks Rover]

5 hours ago, Upside Down said:

The disconnect will be solved when venkys fuck off.

Well they aren't going to "fuck off" so I'd say let's sack.your mate and at least have another bash with a few quid for the new manager.....I can't face another contract for Moga

[Miker]

11 hours ago, JWU-Andy said:

To be serious for a moment though, the club really didn't have a choice if they wanted to comply with the current P&S rules, but you've got to ask yourself why revenue; matchday, corporate and commercial is down so much?  Personally i think there is a disconnect between the fanbase (on many levels) and the club.  Until the disconnect is seriously addressed, the decline in revenue lines (as SW likes to call them) will continue.

I'd love to know the conversations that happen behind closed doors as to why the revenue continues to decline - or maybe everybody just looks the other way and takes their monthly wage without rocking the boat. Who knows.

Has our Matchday and Commercial income really changed significantly over our time in the Championship? It’s always been sitting at around the £3mil mark for Matchday and £5mil for Commercial.

The longer we stay in the Championship, the more people lose interest. 

[Wood26]

Someone touched on this elsewhere, but at Bristol today their was so many fans outside the ground drinking and eating etc. At Ewood we have the gazebo by Jacks statue and that’s it. Bristol must of had 10 or so food/booze stations outside the ground bringing in money for them.

I am not from area, so tend to just go in Blues bar. Is there any pubs near the ground fans go? I haven’t seen any. But having more facilities outside the ground would clearly make for a better ewood experience and bring in more money.

Where do locals go before home games?

Edited November 21, 2021 by Wood26

[Sparks Rover]

7 minutes ago, Wood26 said:

Someone touched on this elsewhere, but at Bristol today their was so many fans outside the ground drinking and eating etc. At Ewood we have the gazebo by Jacks statue and that’s it. Bristol must of had 10 or so food/booze stations outside the ground bringing in money for them.

I am not from area, so tend to just go in Blues bar. Is there any pubs near the ground fans go? I haven’t seen any. But having more facilities outside the ground would clearly make for a better ewood experience and bring in more money.

Where do locals go before home games?

They have on average 7,000 more people to sell food to.

[Wood26]

1 minute ago, Sparks Rover said:

They have on average 7,000 more people to sell food to.

Yeah, maybe because their is food to buy. Supply and demand. There is no where to buy food outside Ewood, bar a burger van not affiliated to the club hidden behind club shop.

Bristol today, you were security checked, then let into an area outside ground full of their fans drinking and eating from multiple outlets.

Ewood you just rock up, can go get a fosters from the gazebo or go inside and take your seat.

[Upside Down]

2 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Well they aren't going to "fuck off" so I'd say let's sack.your mate and at least have another bash with a few quid for the new manager.....I can't face another contract for Moga

The problem is that they aren't going to attract anyone above the level of Mowbray. He’s not got what it takes to bring Rovers back to the Premier League, I don't think there is much doubt about that. 

A manager who can do that will want backing from the club and a budget etc. The people in charge are not capable of delivering that. They have proven this over the last eleven years. 

 

I'm not sure why you think Mowbray is my "mate". All I have said is that it's unlikely we will get someone better. 

As with everything else over the last eleven years the problems are from the top down. If there was any real ambition to be anything more than mid table mediocrity in the second division then Mowbray would have been potted long ago.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Upside Down

[rigger]

7 hours ago, Wood26 said:

Someone touched on this elsewhere, but at Bristol today their was so many fans outside the ground drinking and eating etc. At Ewood we have the gazebo by Jacks statue and that’s it. Bristol must of had 10 or so food/booze stations outside the ground bringing in money for them.

I am not from area, so tend to just go in Blues bar. Is there any pubs near the ground fans go? I haven’t seen any. But having more facilities outside the ground would clearly make for a better ewood experience and bring in more money.

Where do locals go before home games?

Brown cow on livesey branch

[Wheelton Blue]

8 hours ago, Upside Down said:

The problem is that they aren't going to attract anyone above the level of Mowbray.

We should be able to do a lot better than someone who's highlight is finishing in 11th place.

[1864roverite]

For me, the Fanzone in the area at the Blackburn End is a great option however, the club seem unable to grasp it. 

Plus points - big open space, some good coverage and space for plenty more, seating, options for food and drink as well as entertainment.

 

Negative points - Commercialism is poor, 4 staff serving from 2 beer points is slow, no forward thinking from BRFC, they still charge to get in the blues bar and they fail to achieve any semblence of getting things right with entertainment such as having big screens in the vicinity. There is a serious lack of nouse in promoting Ewood

[Wheelton Blue]

58 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

There is a serious lack of nouse in promoting Ewood

I think it's just laziness.

[Gav]

45 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

I think it's just laziness.

Coupled with a lack of care and general incompetence. 

The club could improve on so many levels without having to spend a penny, but the people that do care are few and far between, if they even exist at all these days.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

How many ideas have been put forward on this board over the years on how to better run matters?...absolutely loads.

The people who do care,the fans are kept away from positions within the Club.The 'self preservation syndicate' must not be broken at all costs.

Edited November 21, 2021 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[Upside Down]

6 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

We should be able to do a lot better than someone who's highlight is finishing in 11th place.

I'm certainly ready to roll the dice. I'm just incredibly sceptical is all.

[AllRoverAsia]

22 hours ago, Wood26 said:

Yeah, maybe because their is food to buy. Supply and demand. There is no where to buy food outside Ewood, bar a burger van not affiliated to the club hidden behind club shop.

Bristol today, you were security checked, then let into an area outside ground full of their fans drinking and eating from multiple outlets.

Ewood you just rock up, can go get a fosters from the gazebo or go inside and take your seat.

Selling the biggest and best burgers I've ever had.

That van has seen a few years and hopefully will still be around in better times at Ewood.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

23 hours ago, rigger said:

Brown cow on livesey branch

Also now the completely renovated Fox and Hounds on McDonald's roundabout.

[RevidgeBlue]

On 21/11/2021 at 00:38, Sparks Rover said:

Well they aren't going to "fuck off" so I'd say let's sack.your mate and at least have another bash with a few quid for the new manager.....I can't face another contract for Moga

Exactly.

I'd have a very hard time renewing my ST if either Waggott or Mowbray got a new contract tbh.

And that's after fifty years and not even Steve Kean or Owen Coyle finished me off.

[Mattyblue]

You aren’t looking very far, Woody, there’s the Ewood WMC outside the Jack Walker, Fernhurst across from the Darwen End, the Fox can be seen as soon as you look up Livesey Branch Road from the ground, plus the Moorgate, Brown Cow, Lord Raglan and Navigation all walking distance on and around Livesey Branch.

Now Blackburn certainly isn’t what it was for pubs (and that’s putting it very mildly), but around Ewood is one of the few areas that you can certainly still have a bit of a crawl.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Mattyblue

[RevidgeBlue]

On 20/11/2021 at 13:31, JWU-Andy said:

it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if you're selling assets to fund the day to day expenses of a football club/business/household then you're in trouble - big trouble.  Then again, reading some of the people who blindly follow (in the name of being a loyal fan 😂) the club no matter what, maybe it is.

To be serious for a moment though, the club really didn't have a choice if they wanted to comply with the current P&S rules, but you've got to ask yourself why revenue; matchday, corporate and commercial is down so much?  Personally i think there is a disconnect between the fanbase (on many levels) and the club.  Until the disconnect is seriously addressed, the decline in revenue lines (as SW likes to call them) will continue.

I'd love to know the conversations that happen behind closed doors as to why the revenue continues to decline - or maybe everybody just looks the other way and takes their monthly wage without rocking the boat. Who knows.

Good post, one of the main reason revenues and attendances have been dropping like a stone is we have Mowbray in situ as manager under whom we have zero chance of success and Waggott as CEO who isn't fit to sweep the car park as another poster (arbitro?) aptly pointed out previously.

Eventually people will just lose interest.

I wonder what excuse these two give when quizzed about decline in revenues and attendance? Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, my guess is they both play the Covid card and hope the owners either don't notice attendances are up everywhere else or that they've currently got enough problems in their own Country to take decisive action here.

[Mattyblue]

On 21/11/2021 at 01:23, Sparks Rover said:

They have on average 7,000 more people to sell food to.

Accy Stanley have one man and his dog to sell to and they still put infinitely more effort in than the time servers down Ewood…

[JHRover]

My first visit to Ashton Gate was in 2012 after we were relegated from the Premier League. On that occasion their ground was dilapidated, away fans housed in a converted terrace on one end of the ground, the main stand falling to bits. Not much around the ground for drinking or spending.

I think they were getting crowds of about 11 or 12,000 in those days.

Fast forward to today and they have rebuilt or refurbished all the ground, they have numerous bars inside for fans to use and they have an array of places outside the ground on club property where people and families can congregate and get food/drink. Crowds down this season - about 18000 in total Saturday including 1,000 away fans but the last few years they've been over 20,000.

Now obviously Bristol is a much bigger place but it is interesting isn't it. They haven't had 30,000 a week turning up, far from it. They haven't been in the PL or had parachute cash to throw around yet they have still been able to grow their support whilst floating around the middle of the Championship, keeping within FFP rules, rebuilding their stadium into a smart ground, and are able to offer things to generate lots of extra money on the side.

The old attendance excuse - that they get bigger crowds so it works whereas with 10,000 a week at Ewood it can't work - is nonsense - case in point being Accy Stanley who offer things such as cask beers, pre and post match entertainment all with a couple of thousand home fans turning up.

We have the Legends Lounge in the Darwen End - standing empty and unused every week. Surely something could be done to get that open as a second Blues Bar or an away designated bar. Shepherd the away fans off their coaches and into the Darwen End. Put food and drink on pre-match and make some extra cash that way?

The away 'fanzone'  - basically a shipping container used to serve beer from - has been unused most weeks. I think they opened it up again when Sheff Utd came but expect it will be closed again on Wednesday.

[tomphil]

Just laziness at Ewood and of course penny pinching at ground level that's why the blame the crowds. Yet it's ok to waste money further up the chain because they think the title Football Operations justifies it.

 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Be interesting to see our attendance v the posh.

[JHRover]

Officially it will be announced at about 9000 - similar to the Fulham game. 

In reality I don't think there will be 7000 through the turnstiles.

[Upside Down]

To me it feels as though the family home you loved and grew up in has been sold off to some slum landlord who have allowed it to be turned it into a meth lab and let the whole place fall into a state of disrepair.