January Transfer window 2022

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

 

Similarly Nyambe is a tremendous defender and contributes far more in that respect than what we lose from the fact he can't cross the ball like Alan Shearer. Maybe if we had £30m to spend on a "wing back" we could get a better overall player but for me your defenders have to be able to defend first and foremost. The rest is a bonus.

The modern full back is more than just a defender - so though being able to defend is primary - the other aspects are more important than they have ever been.

One on one Nyambe is as good as anyone - but to be a top defender you also need good positional sense - and I feel he is often found wanting in this respect (especially occasionally at corners).

Having said all that - I agree that with the money we have available we will struggle to bring in someone immediately as good.

[Gav]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Good point, the current contract situation boils down to sheer incompetence from Waggott and Mowbray for me, it's their job to identify and  prioritise and secure the value of  the players who are major assets for the Club. Not leave it until the last minute then hope that in demand players will miraculously put pen to paper at the last minute.

Haven't we been told 2 deals have been on the table for 18 months?

The owners don't like giving out contracts, its been that way since they arrived, we've seen it time and time again, they don't believe in them and its one of the reasons Lambert left and the sole reason we ended up in The High Court over Berg.

This isn't down to Mowbray or Waggott, its down to the owners who could solve this issue with a phone call right now....After all they're losing £20m a season and have been doing since they arrived, whats a few more ££££ to sign up our first team regulars? 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Gav

[1864roverite]

I like Nyambe despite the flaws I note in his game I just wish he was more Chris Price like going forward and more Jeff Kenna like with his passing👍😅👍

[islander200]

13 minutes ago, Gav said:

Haven't we been told 2 deals have been on the table for 18 months?

The owners don't like giving out contracts, its been that way since they arrived, we've seen it time and time again, they don't believe in them and its one of the reasons Lambert left and the sole reason we ended up in The High Court over Berg.

This isn't down to Mowbray or Waggott, its down to the owners who could solve this issue with a phone call right now....After all they're losing £20m a season and have been doing since they arrived, whats a few more ££££ to sign up our first team regulars? 

Dont like giving out Contracts?Tell that to Mulgrew, Evans , Bennett etc etc etc etc 

I think the complete opposite to you one of the biggest problems throughout their reign has been signing off on long term contracts too easy in the past.

 

Edited January 7, 2022 by islander200
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[Paul Mani]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You're intelligent enough to know that it isn't just down to the player, it depends on whether what is being offered is fair and reasonable.

If as rumoured Nyambe has been playing on c 4k p.w. for the last few seasons because he's a product of the Academy system then that's an absolute insult for a player of his ability and I'm surprised he hasn't left well before now.

There's no reason whatsoever why he shouldn't be on approximate parity with the other members of the first X1. As others have pointed out he is infinitely more valuable to us in a playing sense than Gallagher but because we got scammed out of £5m for Gallagher and Nyambe was on buttons originally as an Academy graduate, I'm assuming there is quite a disparity between their respective offers.

It doesn't matter how long ago they were offered deals, if they're unrealistic, they are going to remain unsigned and you can't pin the blame at the players' door.

 

Why are you assuming there’s a huge disparity? You’re just literally guessing and then passing it off as a rational conclusion.

I accept that the deals could be unrealistically low and that this is the reason they haven’t been signed….

What I’m asking you to consider is that the contract offers are really good but that the players and their agents are being greedy. It’s as possible as the former but seems to be being missed by most.

You’re intelligent enough to understand that.

[Danny O.Brien]

Nyambe is solid enough and is easily our best option at fullback. Pickering shows glimpses of the player he could be and has plenty of time to get better. I think if nyambe was better going forward he would've been snapped up off a prem team. That said the fact he could potentially leave for free is absolutely ridiculous. I think he is definitely worth a punt for either free or for the small fee they could get him for. He could get better going forward with better coaches and playing with a higher caliber of players.

Edited January 7, 2022 by Danny O.Brien

[lraC]

1 hour ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

The modern full back is more than just a defender - so though being able to defend is primary - the other aspects are more important than they have ever been.

One on one Nyambe is as good as anyone - but to be a top defender you also need good positional sense - and I feel he is often found wanting in this respect (especially occasionally at corners).

Having said all that - I agree that with the money we have available we will struggle to bring in someone immediately as good.

It is a concentration thing that, rather than a lack of ability, as I do believe he has the ability. Cut that out of his game and we have a quality player, at our current level.

If we lose him for nothing in the summer it will be an outrage.

[47er]

I read somewhere that Brereton is on £6500 a week. He must know that he could st least triple that elsewhere in an instant.

[G Somerset Rover]

Have we not got a Ryan Nyambe thread?!

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Gav said:

Haven't we been told 2 deals have been on the table for 18 months?

The owners don't like giving out contracts, its been that way since they arrived, we've seen it time and time again, they don't believe in them and its one of the reasons Lambert left and the sole reason we ended up in The High Court over Berg.

This isn't down to Mowbray or Waggott, its down to the owners who could solve this issue with a phone call right now....After all they're losing £20m a season and have been doing since they arrived, whats a few more ££££ to sign up our first team regulars? 

Don't like giving out contracts ...🤣

You've excelled yourself with this one pal, most of the 150 million they chucked through the books is hard evidence otherwise. It's paying decent transfer fees regularly they haven't been keen enough on, signing off contracts and wages has been the easy option for them.  the reason we ended up in court with Berg is because Shaw altered the one Venkys had agreed to sign off, it's all out there in public.

At some point you are going to have to concede this is just as much at Mowbray and Waggots door as the owners. They've been spaffing previous budgets on the Downings and Holtbys etc and going nowhere rather than tying down their own. Presumably because they didn't have enough faith in them being worth decent money eventually.

Now its been left too late they are all banging on the door at once wanting double their money to stay. 

It's a collective fook up !

 

 

[RoversClitheroe]

Wonder why Nyambe is the main one creating so much debate in comparison to Rothwell, maybe it's because everyone knows he's been treated badly, offered a shite contract and is thought as more highly than everyone says.

Edited January 7, 2022 by RoversClitheroe

[islander200]

17 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Don't like giving out contracts ...🤣

You've excelled yourself with this one pal, most of the 150 million they chucked through the books is hard evidence otherwise. It's paying decent transfer fees regularly they haven't been keen enough on, signing off contracts and wages has been the easy option for them.  the reason we ended up in court with Berg is because Shaw altered the one Venkys had agreed to sign off, it's all out there in public.

At some point you are going to have to concede this is just as much at Mowbray and Waggots door as the owners. They've been spaffing previous budgets on the Downings and Holtbys etc and going nowhere rather than tying down their own. Presumably because they didn't have enough faith in them being worth decent money eventually.

Now its been left too late they are all banging on the door at once wanting double their money to stay. 

It's a collective fook up !

 

 

Very good post Tomphil.Summed up better than i could

[islander200]

Chapman is back from his loan 

He cant play for another club this season after already making league appearances for Rovers and Burton.

Edited January 7, 2022 by islander200

[Gav]

52 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Don't like giving out contracts ...🤣

You've excelled yourself with this one pal, most of the 150 million they chucked through the books is hard evidence otherwise. It's paying decent transfer fees regularly they haven't been keen enough on, signing off contracts and wages has been the easy option for them.  the reason we ended up in court with Berg is because Shaw altered the one Venkys had agreed to sign off, it's all out there in public.

At some point you are going to have to concede this is just as much at Mowbray and Waggots door as the owners. They've been spaffing previous budgets on the Downings and Holtbys etc and going nowhere rather than tying down their own. Presumably because they didn't have enough faith in them being worth decent money eventually.

Now its been left too late they are all banging on the door at once wanting double their money to stay. 

It's a collective fook up !

 

 

The club can't operate without staff, but when push comes to shove they're loathed to pay decent contracts and we're not talking the peanuts the likes of Bennett was on either. 

Henning Berg was under contract to Blackburn Rovers, it ended up in the high court because Venkys refused to pay that contract, those are the facts whichever way you slice it,

Salgado, Nelson, Emerton, Roberts and many more, Venkys refused to pay the contracts and forced them out of the club, one of the reasons Lambert left was because Venkys refused to discuss contracts for his backroom team never mind players.

But lets keep this current, why are half our first team players potentially on the brink of walking away for nothing? Mowbray is on record as he wants them to sign, Waggott is on record as he wants them to stay? 

 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Gav

[Miller11]

3 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It doesn't matter how long ago they were offered deals

I actually think this is massively important.

We have been told over the last few weeks that the deals for Nyambe, Lenihan and Rothwell have been on the table for 18 months and remains unsigned.

18 months ago Joe Rothwell was an inconsistent and often frustrating bit part player, nobody could decide what his best position was, and the opinion of many on here was “he can’t play central midfield in a 2”.

18 months ago Darragh Lenihan looked like he’d peaked with mid table championship his ceiling. He seemed prone to rash decisions and costly errors of judgement. While he sometimes wore the armband, he wasn’t our dedicated captain and there were many more senior players like Mulgrew, Bennett, Evans, Holtby and Downing around, presumably with more influence.

18 months ago Ryan Nyambe was a raw 22 year old, trying to nail down the right back spot as his own, with questions over his ability to remain injury free for sustained periods.

18 months ago Blackburn Rovers looked to be content with Championship mediocrity. Never in any real danger of relegation, but content to tread water in the lower mid-table area of the Championship. We were restricted to playing games behind closed doors, so revenues were down, and we had a bloated squad full of high earners in their 30s.

Everything has changed over the last 18 months, apart from the terms on offer.

[islander200]

12 minutes ago, Gav said:

The club can't operate without staff, but when push comes to shove they're loathed to pay decent contracts and we're not talking the peanuts the likes of Bennett was on either. 

Henning Berg was under contract to Blackburn Rovers, it ended up in the high court because Venkys refused to pay that contract, those are the facts whichever way you slice it,

Salgado, Nelson, Emerton, Roberts and many more, Venkys refused to pay the contracts and forced them out of the club, one of the reasons Lambert left was because Venkys refused to discuss contracts for his backroom team never mind players.

But lets keep this current, why are half our first team players potentially on the brink of walking away for nothing? Mowbray is on record as he wants them to sign, Waggott is on record as he wants them to stay? 

 

And no mention of the contracts given to the likes of Etuhu, Best, Murphy, Gomes.

High cost deals, Best and Murphy were probably brought in on better contracts than Nelson etc.

All those contracts paid up when the club released them.

Paying Mulgrews lucrative deal whilst he played for league one Fleetwood or our reserves.

[Gav]

19 minutes ago, islander200 said:

And no mention of the contracts given to the likes of Etuhu, Best, Murphy, Gomes.

High cost deals, Best and Murphy were probably brought in on better contracts than Nelson etc.

All those contracts paid up when the club released them.

Paying Mulgrews lucrative deal whilst he played for league one Fleetwood or our reserves.

Football runs on contracts Islander, you can't get away from that, some work out, some don't.

The first thing Venkys did upon arrival at the club was separate out all the players with contract incentives, bonuses, new deal clauses and forced them out of the club. You actually need look no further for proof on how Venkys view contracts that right there. 

Just because Mowbray wanted to reward the players who got the club promoted from league 1 with new deals, doesn't in any way explain why Berg wasn't paid up, or why he wasn't able to bring any backroom staff in, or why Bowyer was in the press weekly asking for new player contracts, or why Lambert left.

I'm sure one thing we both agree on:

Our billionaire owners could pick up the phone right now and give the promotion push a massive boost by paying these players what they think they're worth.

[islander200]

8 minutes ago, Gav said:

Football runs on contracts Islander, you can't get away from that, some work out, some don't.

The first thing Venkys did upon arrival at the club was separate out all the players with contract incentives, bonuses, new deal clauses and forced them out of the club. You actually need look no further for proof on how Venkys view contracts that right there. 

Just because Mowbray wanted to reward the players who got the club promoted from league 1 with new deals, doesn't in any way explain why Berg wasn't paid up, or why he wasn't able to bring any backroom staff in, or why Bowyer was in the press weekly asking for new player contracts, or why Lambert left.

I'm sure one thing we both agree on:

Our billionaire owners could pick up the phone right now and give the promotion push a massive boost by paying these players what they think they're worth.

Was that the owners or on the advice of Jerome Anderson and his cronies?

Im not disputing they are awful owners and have no buisness in football but they have wasted an absolute fortune in giving contracts out to players that werent worth the money.

After the first lockdown and the football break they agreed to carry on paying the wages of the players who were out of contract, on Mowbrays recommendation.Players that didnt play in those remaining games.

I disagree with your last paragraph we cant just pay the players what they are asking for.Them signing new deals doesnt guarantee promotion and without knowing exactly what the 3 are asking for its too simple to just lay all 

 

[islander200]

11 minutes ago, Gav said:

Football runs on contracts Islander, you can't get away from that, some work out, some don't.

The first thing Venkys did upon arrival at the club was separate out all the players with contract incentives, bonuses, new deal clauses and forced them out of the club. You actually need look no further for proof on how Venkys view contracts that right there. 

Just because Mowbray wanted to reward the players who got the club promoted from league 1 with new deals, doesn't in any way explain why Berg wasn't paid up, or why he wasn't able to bring any backroom staff in, or why Bowyer was in the press weekly asking for new player contracts, or why Lambert left.

I'm sure one thing we both agree on:

Our billionaire owners could pick up the phone right now and give the promotion push a massive boost by paying these players what they think they're worth.

Was that the owners or on the advice of Jerome Anderson and his cronies?

Im not disputing they are awful owners and have no buisness in football but they have wasted an absolute fortune in giving contracts out to players that werent worth the money.

After the first lockdown and the football break they agreed to carry on paying the wages of the players who were out of contract, on Mowbrays recommendation.Players that didnt play in those remaining games.

I disagree with your last paragraph we cant just pay the players what they are asking for.Them signing new deals doesnt guarantee promotion and without knowing exactly what the 3 are asking for its too simple to just lay ALL the blame at the owners door

 

[Gav]

26 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I disagree with your last paragraph we cant just pay the players what they are asking for.Them signing new deals doesnt guarantee promotion and without knowing exactly what the 3 are asking for its too simple to just lay all 

 

They're billionaire owners, of course they can?

Promotion isn't the be all and end all here, these are club assets and you don't let your best assets leave the club. These players have proven this season they've got what it takes to move this club forward, they should be kept at all costs, its as simple as that.

[islander200]

8 minutes ago, Gav said:

They're billionaire owners, of course they can?

Promotion isn't the be all and end all here, these are club assets and you don't let your best assets leave the club. These players have proven this season they've got what it takes to move this club forward, they should be kept at all costs, its as simple as that.

Have you heard of ffp?And you do realise we were running our wage bill 180% to turnover.

Do you know exactly what the players are asking for?

I agree you shouldnt be letting assets go for free but like others have said up until this season Rothwell and Lenihen were not showing anything special in this league.

Hypothetically Lenihen and Rothwell want  18k+ per week, they sign 3/4 year contract on those terms and then say Lenihen reverts to type and goes back to being the bog standard Championship defender was, he instantly becomes more of a hinderence than an asset as to sell him you have to get a club willing to take on that wage and as we seen with Mulgrew that isnt easy 

Lets not pretend that prior to this season Lenihen and Rothwell were showing form that would have led to big profits if we sold them.

[Wheelton Blue]

1 hour ago, Miller11 said:

I actually think this is massively important.

We have been told over the last few weeks that the deals for Nyambe, Lenihan and Rothwell have been on the table for 18 months and remains unsigned.

18 months ago Joe Rothwell was an inconsistent and often frustrating bit part player, nobody could decide what his best position was, and the opinion of many on here was “he can’t play central midfield in a 2”.

18 months ago Darragh Lenihan looked like he’d peaked with mid table championship his ceiling. He seemed prone to rash decisions and costly errors of judgement. While he sometimes wore the armband, he wasn’t our dedicated captain and there were many more senior players like Mulgrew, Bennett, Evans, Holtby and Downing around, presumably with more influence.

18 months ago Ryan Nyambe was a raw 22 year old, trying to nail down the right back spot as his own, with questions over his ability to remain injury free for sustained periods.

18 months ago Blackburn Rovers looked to be content with Championship mediocrity. Never in any real danger of relegation, but content to tread water in the lower mid-table area of the Championship. We were restricted to playing games behind closed doors, so revenues were down, and we had a bloated squad full of high earners in their 30s.

Everything has changed over the last 18 months, apart from the terms on offer.

And you know this how?

[joey_big_nose]

5 hours ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

I think all this debate only proves one thing - combine the best attributes of each player and you would have a very good right back. Both players have weaknesses that stop them being complete players, but I suppose (especially for Nyambe) if he was a more naturally gifted footballer he would have left for better things ages ago.

Yes - the preference for me would be have both JRC and Nyambe - start games with Nyambe, bring JRC on if we are on top and need more quality from out wide. I think they could dovetail quite well. 

As it is I feel given recent comments from Mowbray I think Nyambe is as good as gone. So I think we will be finding out fit JRC is, and how good James Brown is very very quickly. 

[USABlue]

14 hours ago, JHRover said:

I'm not going over the free agent debate all over again. I've made the point in the past that for one reason or another during their decade of owning the club there has been almost zero investment in defensive positions and healthy investment in positions further up the pitch where the headlines are made. Conspiracy or not when we look at transfer fees paid that is the reality. 

3+1 is par for the course on contracts for good players in their 20's. That would be my only criticism of the Gallagher one - it isn't really a long term deal. It is an extra year on what he already had. The reason we are getting into this situation is short sightedness - Kaminski another one. Infact the only 4 year deal we seem to have issued recently was for Aynsley Pears.

It is more than disappointing the 3 lads are coming to the end of their deals. I accept that these things can happen in football. Players move on up the pyramid to richer/higher positioned clubs. Lets just see where these 3 end up because I'll put a bet on it now that it won't be a side in the Premier League that takes them on and they will be lining up at another Championship club. That is what I struggle to accept - that we are in effect acting as an academy for rival Championship clubs. 

Possession of Category 1 academy status - if we take Lenihan and Nyambe - should be a major asset for this club - it should see us develop players that are cornerstones of our squad for years to come or at the very least achieve healthy transfer reciepts enabling us to reinvest and avoid FFP troubles.

As it stands we get none of that - we get no fee - we see them head to a tinpot rival club with inferior structure to us - we still struggle to achieve FFP compliance and we see minimal investment in new players.

Slippery slippery slope.

So no - I can't just accept this with a shrug of the shoulders - I want to know what the plan is to ensure we don't lose any more assets for nothing. This time next year it will be Kaminski and Travis, Buckley won't be far behind. More agent blaming and shoulder shrugging but it can't continue. Both our finances and football will be knackered if it does.

It all shows just how poorly this club is run.

[briansol]

The way clubs run in the Championship are totally unsustainable, and we are one of the worst.

https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-footballs-wage-crisis-sits-in-the-championship-rather-than-the-premier-league