v Hull City (a) - 19/1/22

[yankfan]

4 minutes ago, USA Rover said:

First off the ref was abysmal.  Hull's first goal was questionable.  It was clearly over the line, but prior to that, it appeared to go over the end line before being crossed.  BBD was brought down for a stonewall pen.  Not given.  Hull's 2nd goal was a farce.  McGloughlin lined up Kaminski and plowed into him.  Not even debatable.  Clear foul.

All that said, Rovers were awful and I think TM deserves a lot of blame.  I like that he stuck with the current formation, but the players seemed lost by moving the guys into different positions.  Khadra should have started up top alongside BBD.  Gallagher to the bench.  Buckley should have been in his normal role as well.  Davenport or Johnson (I don't rate Johnson as I feel his legs have gone) should have started for Travis.  I feel like TM disrupted the team by putting guys in roles they haven't played in months.  JRC was a weak spot too, but the new RWBs weren't ready yet.  

Awful match.  Awful lineup. Awful ref.  Bounce back against Boro and Rovers will be fine.   

Agreed 💯 

[G Somerset Rover]

5 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Everything's pretty clear now for me.

1) If we're to have any chance of the play offs TM has to stick with what has worked well for us this season and not get too cute.  If someone is missing replace like for like but otherwise keep changes to a minimum I.e. Davenport for Travis was all that was required tonight.

2) JRC , Johnson and Gallagher (especially) must never ever feature again.

Then, we might have a chance.

 

I mustn’t be too critical of Tony as I usually am and he’s earnt the right this season to get a few things wrong. But I think every single one of us just knew he was chomping at the bit to shoehorn Gallagher in when there was no justification for doing so, and we were all correct.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[G Somerset Rover]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

It bloody confused me after 10 games unbeaten and arguably our most creative players completely exposed in a two man midfield. It was clear as day after 5 minutes it was a disaster. 

Thank you for doing my job for me! We played with a two man midfield who didn’t have a tackle between them, Chaddy!

[tomphil]

Bad referee - again, bad decisions from the manager - the type of stuff we haven't seen this season but had grown used to over the previous years.

Credit to Hull for wanting it more, lets just hope it's a bad night at the office. It's going to happen from time to time but they need to get back to what has been working next time out. No excuses not to whatsoever even if it means leaving some of the highest paid firmly rooted to the bench.

[Sparks Rover]

5 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

 We still defend well, but Edun and JRC aren't of the same quality as Rhino and Pickering. 

This game, the Wigan game....Ryan having his best games whilst sat at home...top player....

Mogadon, pay him what he wants  you tool.😡

 

[ossyian]

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

how was tonight formation confusing? 

Are you being serious Chaddy?

[bluebruce]

2 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

I mustn’t be too critical of Tony as I usually am and he’s earnt the right this season to get a few things wrong. But I think every single one of us just knew he was chomping at the bit to shoehorn Gallagher in when there was no justification and we were all correct. I’ve always feared he cannot help himself and tonight proved it unfortunately.

It's even more of a mystery as I don't even think Gally is fully fit. It's only 11 days since he was subbed off with an injury after returning from an injury. The rush to bring him back in ASAP all the time isn't even helping the player himself.

[DE.]

Just now, tomphil said:

Bad referee - again, bad decisions from the manager - the type of stuff we haven't seen this season but had grown used to over the previous years.

Credit to Hull for wanting it more, lets just hope it's a bad night at the office. It's going to happen from time to time but they need to get back to what has been working next time out. No excuses not to whatsoever even if it means leaving some of the highest paid firmly rooted to the bench.

The concern for me is that this is our third 'bad day in the office' in a row. For some the FA Cup is an irrelevence but we played a decent team who looked poor against a League One side, we got away with it at Cardiff and then again tonight very poor and a second defeat in three.

This match feels more like a continued decline than a one off to me. I really hope I'm wrong on that though!

[jim mk2]

23 minutes ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

But they only won because of a totally inept referee. Penalty - potentially 1-1 - and down to 10 men - would have been a totally different match. Lets not forget - this was also at a time when our game was starting to come together and we had the ascendancy. Goals and refereeing decisions change the flow of matches - the idiots at Sky seem to ignore that.

The Sky commentators agreed Rovers should have had a penalty and that Hull's 2nd goal should have been disallowed. Hull didn't win because of that though - they were much better than us on the night

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

1 minute ago, jim mk2 said:

The Sky commentators agreed Rovers should have had a penalty and that Hull's 2nd goal should have been disallowed. Hull didn't win because of that though - they were much better than us on the night

So there 10 men would have still beat us ?

[AdurRover]

Should we have had a penalty.

Yes.

Should Hull have had a player sent off.

Yes.

Would that have resulted in their player clearing off the line.

Yes probably. We might have been 2-1 up.

Should Hull's 2nd goal been disallowed for a blatant foul on Kaminski.

Yes.

Did we deserve to win that game based on our performance.

NO!

That is one of the worst games I gave seen Rovers play in YEARS.

Mowbray changed a successful season to essentially work around 3 missing players.

He put a player on the pitch who looks like he is still at least 3 games off of match fitness in JRC.

Edun although one of our best performers on the night, who looked good in the moment, looked startled at times.

We are painfully missing Pickering and we looked weak at RB.

Khadra went AWOL for large parts of the 2nd half and Gallagher should have been off at half time.

Van Hecke gets played for parts of the 2nd half at RWB that essentially left us open to Hull counter attacks.

The only 4 players who looked eager to push team:

Kaminski - left exposed by Lenihan and Van Hecke

Rothwell - puffing at the end

Brereton Diaz - left feeding off long hoof balls

Markanday - had one of our most exciting attacks in stoppage time before the end in one of the few instances the ball was passed to him after coming on

Our passing was the worst I have ever seen. Playing it underweight into the path of Hull players in our own half.

A massive majority of our attacks were Allarcyce style hoofs up the pitch which Hull dealt with at ease.

We didn't close down the ball until 10 mins before the end of the match. We stood back and invited pressure. Our attacks were painfully slow and easy to organise against.

If we go into the play offs playing like today, we will be out at the first hurdle.

Mowbray will blame the referee.

The referee was crap.

But so were Mowbray's tactics and sub timings. The triple sub being done as Hull scored their 2nd.

Hull could have put more past us. It could have been 3 or 4.

I don't know what happened before the Wigan game.

Mowbray has said he doesn't want to change the team cohesion that has worked so well, so far.

I disagree. We have work to do. Because once this window is over. We have no opportunity to seal the gaps which are blatantly gaping in his squad.

Mowbray will blame the ref. He deserves much respect for the last 10 games before today. But this defeat is a result of him trying to be to clever and not acting to make changes when needed as well as shifting players into different roles which they have excelled at so far this season.

[bigbrandjohn]

8 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

I mustn’t be too critical of Tony as I usually am and he’s earnt the right this season to get a few things wrong. But I think every single one of us just knew he was chomping at the bit to shoehorn Gallagher in when there was no justification and we were all correct. I’ve always feared he cannot help himself and tonight proved it unfortunately.

So banana skin it was. Don’t be too harsh on Gallagher folks, I think he will be the target man in Brereton’s absence with Khadra and Markanday on the wings. 

[RevidgeBlue]

14 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Yes I doubt it entirely. 2 penalties we should have had, a red card for them, second goal was BS.

I think the fact we were heavily fancied for this match and didn't give our best performance at all has coloured some people's views of the match. We were worth a draw tonight on balance of play, and but for terrible refereeing decisions could have won. Perhaps comfortably (how different is the game with us equalising and them with 10?)

I didn't see it like that at all. 

If we get the penalty and their second is chalked off that still only makes it 1-1. And Hull missed a hatful of clear cut chances 2nd half.

We were shocking and weren't even up for it first half. Yes, the officials made a couple of poor decisions but pretending we lost the game because of the officials is burying your head in the sand.

Hopefully it was just a one off and a bad night at the office but many more performances like that and any promotion hopes will quickly disappear.

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, doctorryan said:

You're missing the point.......the vibes are bad.  This was our chance to set the pace & no one looked even remotely up for it; that's a bad sign. We need to win emphatically on Monday.

The vibes are fine we’ve lost one league game in the last 11 for fuck sake.

[bluebruce]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I didn't see it like that at all. 

If we get the penalty and their second is chalked off that still only makes it 1-1. And Hull missed a hatful of clear cut chances 2nd half.

We were shocking and weren't even up for it first half. Yes, the officials made a couple of poor decisions but pretending we lost the game because of the officials is burying your head in the sand.

Hopefully it was just a one off and a bad night at the office but many more performances like that and any promotion hopes will quickly disappear.

You're forgetting the other penalty and the red card.

We were poor, I said that. We weren't as poor as is made out, and Hull were also poor.

[Jimmy612]

Just now, bigbrandjohn said:

So banana skin it was. Don’t be too harsh on Gallagher folks, I think he will be the target man in Brereton’s absence with Khadra and Markanday on the wings. 

Why are we playing two wingers/wide attackers all of a sudden?!?! We haven't done that for at least two months and we've taken 26 points from a possible 30.... 

I feel like I've gone back in time! 

[booth]

10 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

The Sky commentators agreed Rovers should have had a penalty and that Hull's 2nd goal should have been disallowed. Hull didn't win because of that though - they were much better than us on the night

Most football teams that get away with a stonewall penalty and sending off along with a dodgy goal would end the game with a spring in their step Jim.

It wasn’t helped by TM’s bizarre set up but any team would have struggled to get a result today with that referee.

That said I do worry about the upcoming games we have now BBD is away and we are  looking out of ideas and out of luck. They simply don’t look like the same team before Christmas.

Edited January 19, 2022 by booth

[Mike E]

Here's an idea, and forgive me if this seems mind-blowingly radical, but bare with me:

If a mod hides your post, and you keep posting it, and it keeps getting hidden, I bet it REALLY impresses your classmates at playtime tomorrow.

OR it's really annoying, so just save us the hassle at 11pm when some of us are doing the night shift babywatch, when we're starting work at 5am, yeah?

Edited January 19, 2022 by Mike E

[DE.]

Every time we say that Mowbray will surely play Gallagher as a target man this time we end up with something like Buckley as a false 9 instead. 

[Leonard Venkhater]

Just now, Mike E said:

Here's an idea, and forgive me if this seems mind-blowingly radical, but bare with me:

If a mod hides your post, and you keep posting it, and it keeps getting hidden, I bet it REALLY impresses your classmates at break time tomorrow.

OTT

[booth]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I didn't see it like that at all. 

If we get the penalty and their second is chalked off that still only makes it 1-1. And Hull missed a hatful of clear cut chances 2nd half.

We were shocking and weren't even up for it first half. Yes, the officials made a couple of poor decisions but pretending we lost the game because of the officials is burying your head in the sand.

Hopefully it was just a one off and a bad night at the office but many more performances like that and any promotion hopes will quickly disappear.

Wouldn’t they also be down to ten men?

[tomphil]

5 minutes ago, DE. said:

The concern for me is that this is our third 'bad day in the office' in a row. For some the FA Cup is an irrelevence but we played a decent team who looked poor against a League One side, we got away with it at Cardiff and then again tonight very poor and a second defeat in three.

This match feels more like a continued decline than a one off to me. I really hope I'm wrong on that though!

I think deep down we all know we've been over achieving a bit and like i mentioned the other day a lot of our success has been down to to sheer hard graft. The intensity has dropped off and opposition sides have upped theirs, they are prepared now. That's why imo with what is still at his disposal the manager has to do a bit better with what hes got in these situations. Still to eager to please the likes of Gallagher and Ayala instead of coming up with something a little bit cuter.

Having said that even a performance like that tonight if key men are performing we get something going off whats happened this season. That's before we start on the either abysmal or corrupt officials or the early bad goal conceded. 

Need to get back on the bike v boro and it would be no surprise to see another poor performance but doing enough to win. If the tinkering has started though it'll be a painful slippery slope for sure.

[RV Blue]

1 hour ago, jim mk2 said:

One ray of sunshine.

Brereton's absence means Gallagher will have to play down the middle, which is where he is least useless

Eaves showed him how to play centre forward tonight

That’s a myth. He’s diabolical everywhere he plays and always has been.

[Exiled_Rover]

What the hell have we done to upset the Championship officials?

We're getting shafted every week by these clowns.

[Leonard Venkhater]

2 minutes ago, booth said:

Wouldn’t they also be down to ten men?

What was the 2nd pen/sending off? I must have been at the loo...