Transfer Window - COMPLETE. Where’s Gregg?

[booth]

13 minutes ago, Butty said:

Regardless of the Dolan/Gallagher debate and regardless of whether Diaz stays or goes we need another out and out striker bringing in I think.

[Tugayisgod]

Nixon saying Burnley are in for Scott Twine at £4m along with Hull but could both miss out after a late move from another unnamed club .

Please God let it be us 

[islander200]

43 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Include Markanday too.

Personally I'd rather try and get a tune out of what we have up front and use our funds build a rock solid defense.

Markanday isn't a striker if JDT plans on playing 4-2-3-1 then we will only really have Gallagher who can play the lone front man role and even if you feel Gallagher has the goals in him he still picks up an awful lot of niggles and misses quite a few games.

I think it will be madness not to sign another striker if Brererton Is off.

Agree defence is a priority aswell but we definitely need a goalscorer if Brererton leaves as expected.

 

[ItsRoverZ]

4 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

Nixon saying Burnley are in for Scott Twine at £4m along with Hull but could both miss out after a late move from another unnamed club .

Please God let it be us 

At £4m it's never going to be us 

[Tugayisgod]

3 minutes ago, ItsRoverZ said:

At £4m it's never going to be us 

Unless we sell BBD and use the money maybe?

[Danny O.Brien]

I think the whole window hinges on what happens with Diaz. Just a shame he's been away with Chile which would delay any talks/decisions being made.  

[slowmo]

9 minutes ago, Danny O.Brien said:

I think the whole window hinges on what happens with Diaz. Just a shame he's been away with Chile which would delay any talks/decisions being made.  

GB has already said this windows transfer plans do not hinge on what happens with BBD future 

[Torgeir]

17 minutes ago, slowmo said:

GB has already said this windows transfer plans do not hinge on what happens with BBD future 

I don’t think we can fork out £4m for a player. We need to strengthen several positions. Twine would be a statement early doors though. 

Hull have their new Turkish owner and Burnley PL parachute money so can’t see us competing with that. 

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Davenport firing shots at Mowbray no wonder. He'll prove Mowbray wrong 

Most of the time he was injured. Suppose that doesnt fit the narrative as well. Be interesting to see where he goes next as he impressed more here when he didnt play than when he did play.

2 hours ago, Shirley Crabtree Wrestler said:

Just because his confidence was completely shot to pieces by being played as a winger for two seasons by the gurning chump, doesn't mean there isn't a footballer in there. Remember, footie is a school of hard knocks, where only an elite few get to become professionals, and which systematically weeds out / grinds down those whose talents are less than robust. So, there IS a player in Gallagher, and JDT should be straight onto bringing him back to a level of confidence and capability that his status in 'the elite' surely deserves.

I don't believe he is just a lardy lump*, and I do look forward to his becoming a regular name on the scoresheet in the coming seasons. Come on you Sam Gallagher!

When he has played up front he has not impressed. He isnt a natural goalscorer, he has a poor first touch, struggles to hold the ball up and bring others into play, he is poor in the air, he doesnt jump as well as he should for his size. Like Davenport who impressed more when he didnt play, Gallaghers reputation as a striker improved more when he didnt play up front.

2 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Sam Gallagher got 17 goals under Coyle - it can be done 

But unfortunately I have lost a lot of faith in him. He’s had some very bad performances in his time here

But as said he was shunted out wide for a lot of it. Completely unnatural to him. If JDT can get a tune out of him then it’s our answers solved. If he starts with him this season then he must think there’s a striker there, and being a striker himself I’d take his word for it over mine 

17? Youve added a few on there.

[slowmo]

29 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

I don’t think we can fork out £4m for a player. We need to strengthen several positions. Twine would be a statement early doors though. 

Hull have their new Turkish owner and Burnley PL parachute money so can’t see us competing with that. 

Sure👍 I'm only mentioning GB peice on transfer plans . Which seems to say they can get on with business at the moment regardless of BBD situation. 

He added: “The owners have been very clear, they’re happy for us to push ahead with that plan, regardless of whether Ben is in the building or not.

“We don’t have to wait, we can act straight away on that.”

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I genuinely have no idea why so many seem so confident that if this that and the other happen, that Gallagher can score loads and loads of goals.

If he plays up front he will score goals. Hopefully we see the end of him playing wide like he did under Mowbray 

2 hours ago, Butty said:

Regardless of the Dolan/Gallagher debate and regardless of whether Diaz stays or goes we need another out and out striker bringing in I think.

I feel we need a new striker if Brereton leaves. If Brereton stays then we have 3 strikers of good enough quality. 

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

If he plays up front he will score goals. Hopefully we see the end of him playing wide like he did under Mowbray 

I feel we need a new striker if Brereton leaves. If Brereton stays then we have 3 strikers of good enough quality. 

As I said, I dont see the evidence from his career or signs that hes a poorly utilised potential regular goalscorer. Hes not a natural goalscorer, he never has been and he hides behind the whole "Mowbray wasted him" narrative that ignores his flaws as a striker in the first place.

We need a new first choice striker. If Gallagher is deemed to be that man with the main responsibility, we can forget the top 6.

[Exiled_Rover]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

As I said, I dont see the evidence from his career or signs that hes a poorly utilised potential regular goalscorer. Hes not a natural goalscorer, he never has been and he hides behind the whole "Mowbray wasted him" narrative that ignores his flaws as a striker in the first place.

We need a new first choice striker. If Gallagher is deemed to be that man with the main responsibility, we can forget the top 6.

Again, I'm not his biggest fan, but he'll score goals for you in this league if you play to his strengths. Mowbray playing him out wide did him no favours at all.

I imagine a World Class striker like JDT can teach him a thing or two too. 

 

[Darwen Rover 007]

2 hours ago, DeeCee said:

Play him as a nine, get double figures, easy. Provided we've got wingers 😁

He must be one of the worst headers won to height ratio in the history of football...

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Again, I'm not his biggest fan, but he'll score goals for you in this league if you play to his strengths. Mowbray playing him out wide did him no favours at all.

I imagine a World Class striker like JDT can teach him a thing or two too. 

 

But when Gallagher did play as a central striker he didnt score that many goals, he is not a good finisher and he does not have a goalscoring instinct. He never at any point made it impossible not to use him centrally because he didnt score enough when he did play there and in fact a number of his primary flaws become even more obvious. Even under Coyle when he played in a unsustainably attacking side with 2 wingers and 2 strikers, he was scoring 1 in 4.

When I question why people seem so confident that he would score goals implying with regularity the response is usually just a repitition of that same line. His reputation as a striker improved when he didnt play there and I think its partly because it can be used as a Mowbray criticism. I didnt agree with the use of him out wide but I just dont think he is anything beyond a striker for whom double figures is not far off his ceiling at this level.

Id love him to get 20 goals but I cant see it sadly.

[47er]

1 hour ago, slowmo said:

GB has already said this windows transfer plans do not hinge on what happens with BBD future 

Roughly translated----when we sell Diaz the funds won't be available for transfers....?

[47er]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

he has a poor first touch,

The maddening thing about Gallagher is that often he has a poor touch but sometimes he's excellent!

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

As I said, I dont see the evidence from his career or signs that hes a poorly utilised potential regular goalscorer. Hes not a natural goalscorer, he never has been and he hides behind the whole "Mowbray wasted him" narrative that ignores his flaws as a striker in the first place.

We need a new first choice striker. If Gallagher is deemed to be that man with the main responsibility, we can forget the top 6.

Well he has been wasted out wide for 3 years under Mowbray. Mowbray has to take full responsibility for wasting him out wide. When he plays up front like Boro away or Preston away he score goals. 

I said we need a new striker if Ben Brereton Diaz leaves otherwise for me we don't. 

I'm looking forward to seeing Sam Gallagher under Jon Dahl Tomasson's reign who will play up front

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Again, I'm not his biggest fan, but he'll score goals for you in this league if you play to his strengths. Mowbray playing him out wide did him no favours at all.

I imagine a World Class striker like JDT can teach him a thing or two too. 

 

Exactly. No wonder Gallagher had a big smile on his face when JDT shake his hand  

[yankfan]

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I genuinely have no idea why so many seem so confident that if this that and the other happen, that Gallagher can score loads and loads of goals.

I could see him bagging 25, if his ability to trap, pass and shoot the ball we’re 200 times improved, and he gained the mental understanding of the game that Klopp has…Then maybe 

[sparky12]

15 hours ago, Vilesinner said:

Buckley has always been the far more talented player. He will be our most important player now imo. I'd sell Dolan for £3 million. 

 

Personally don't understand the hype surrounding Buckley, he turns into prime Zidane once every few months, if anything i think he lost us more points than won last season with some of his awful missed chances. 

As for Dolan, i'm not sure who actually benefits from him leaving, we have a very talented, hard working player who is still young & raw enough to become a top top player. He is getting valuable first team experience in a very good league. One look at Conor Mahoney should give Tyrhys insight to what can happen to a career when you get greedy. 

You can't be serious RE: Chapman????? 

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Love his workrate, but he isn't much better than Chapman, if he even is. 

[davulsukur]

8 hours ago, Tugayisgod said:

Nixon saying Burnley are in for Scott Twine at £4m along with Hull but could both miss out after a late move from another unnamed club .

Please God let it be us 

Possibly but unlikely I think. 

The model they are trying to achieve is to buy players for low fees and sell them in a season or 2 for a lot more than we paid. 

Assume it's driven by stats/data etc. 

Twine probably falls into that category (ish), £4m isn't a massive amount for a transfer these days and you would hope at 22, he'd develop further and we'd be selling for more than we've paid down the line but I'd say it's still too much for us at this stage of the process. 

A BBD sale might have changed that but it looks like that would be coming too late.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

As I said, I dont see the evidence from his career or signs that hes a poorly utilised potential regular goalscorer. Hes not a natural goalscorer, he never has been and he hides behind the whole "Mowbray wasted him" narrative that ignores his flaws as a striker in the first place.

We need a new first choice striker. If Gallagher is deemed to be that man with the main responsibility, we can forget the top 6.

Gallagher would be have been a decent shout in a 4-4-2 big guy, little guy scenario.  He'll work hard, chase things down and maybe get you 10 goals a season. 

That type of player may suit JDT and his pressing game...Gallagher won't suddenly become a 20 goal plus machine though.

Rovers issue under Mowbray was goals from other areas - notably midfield/set pieces etc.  

Adding goals through the team may be more beneficial than spending (relative) fortunes on an out an out scorer.

[Danny O.Brien]

9 hours ago, slowmo said:

GB has already said this windows transfer plans do not hinge on what happens with BBD future 

Yeah I'm sure they have some money to spend but obviously if Diaz goes, that amount changes. So then it changes the potential target if there's more money available.

[ben_the_beast]

It's the most important season in Gallaghers career. His touch etc can be maddening, but the thing that irritated me the most was his unwillingness to gamble. You never saw a tap in at the far post or a 6 yard box scramble goal from him. He seemed to lack the anticipation, and surely there's nobody better to teach him this than JDT.

It will be nice to see a manager have faith in him in his natural position too. If there is a stick to beat Mowbray with tactically it's his use of Gallagher. Frankly, it was absolutely ridiculous. 

[Tugayisgod]

1 hour ago, davulsukur said:

Possibly but unlikely I think. 

The model they are trying to achieve is to buy players for low fees and sell them in a season or 2 for a lot more than we paid. 

Assume it's driven by stats/data etc. 

Twine probably falls into that category (ish), £4m isn't a massive amount for a transfer these days and you would hope at 22, he'd develop further and we'd be selling for more than we've paid down the line but I'd say it's still too much for us at this stage of the process. 

A BBD sale might have changed that but it looks like that would be coming too late.

You’re probably right and thinking about it, if we are after Cantwell, him and Twine play similar positions so certainly wouldn’t be after both