Transfer Window - COMPLETE. Where’s Gregg?

[eire3382]

All Glens points are very valid. This is a fundamental problem for most teams outside of the prem or those recently relegated. The mega rich clubs have in many ways wrecked the football league. Covid has then compounded the issue. It’s criminal that last season when we actually had a chance to get on the right side of this we pissed any promotion chances away. The reality is that unless the Vs can find a loophole in ffp and are willing (very unlikely) to exploit it we are going to be at best a mid table championship club going forward.

[glen9mullan]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

Great post Glen, there’s so much truth in there. My hope is that they’re not stupid enough to believe that we can get into the PL in the model that we’ve seen recently. The changes in manager and system (DoF / Head coach) etc tells us that there is a new plan. So fingers crossed it involves generation of cash from transfers that’s then reinvested as I believe that’s literally the only way we’re going to progress.

Serious question regarding the perceived ambitions of the owners. Assuming you or I were billionaire owners of Rovers, how actually would we be able to legitimately get anymore money into the club for wages and transfer fees? FFP kills our affordability! Sheikh Mansoor couldn’t fix it, surely?

Have to be through sponsorship, 

[glen9mullan]

2 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Then it seriously begs the question why are they not selling up? 

I'd say its a pride thing, those first few years which ended with a relegation (which is well documented), so we wont go over old ground, pretty much screwed up any real chance of them being a success.

The loss of revenues just cant be plugged.

We cant sell the tickets, and tbh they are a drop in the ocean in terms of Sky money lost through not being in the premiership.

Would new owners change our fortunes? Sadly I dont think so, given our current owners are ploughing money in (interest free) with no current mechanism or indication that its a loan they want back.

Would a better board increase some revenue and make better use of our assets and purchases? My personal opinion is yes, as the current remit appears to have no baring on what happens on the pitch, results are evidently second to showing better figures in the P &L.

Time and football has evolved now to the levels, where we are a less attractive proposition to new owners anyway given our crowds, loss of sponsorship etc. We'd end up with much worse than Venkys, which in itself shows how far we've fallen. 

If anything taking inflation and everything else into account, we are probably slightly worse off than we were before Jack Walker took over, as we are not totally reliant on them servicing the debts

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, tomphil said:

Exactly.

The writing for this was on the wall last summer but it's gone over a lot of heads because of that fantastic run of form and 2nd place.  It was pitched as Mowbrays genius journey finally bearing fruit in growing a team for promotion but the reality of it was very different.

There was a budget cut last summer and push towards lower wages model that can only be done by filling the squad with youth. There's another push towards that this summer it's a massive risk but they've stuck all their eggs in changing management structure in the hope it'll see us through.

There is no budget or driving ambition for promotion and never was which after last season is criminal given the position we were in. 3 key players gone screams this loud and clear never mind no quality coming in so despite JDT and co possibly being a modern upgrade on the last lot the actual playing squad has suffered another very big downgrade....so far.

I'll snap hands off for 11th place right now.

If the club is such a financial burden to them, maybe they should just sell?

[Gavrover]

Do you think they would write of the debt to sell. Say if an offer of 40 million came in? They'd be getting something back and would save face?

[Crimpshrine]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Serious question regarding the perceived ambitions of the owners. Assuming you or I were billionaire owners of Rovers, how actually would we be able to legitimately get anymore money into the club for wages and transfer fees? FFP kills our affordability! Sheikh Mansoor couldn’t fix it, surely?

By applying some thought, care, attention, hard graft. Understanding and engaging with the fan base and local community to get them onside, reduce ticket prices to get more fans in the ground which would help encourage the team and generate more cash revenue at the ground on match days. Inject some enthusiasm to help build up momentum. Maintain the stadium to make it a great experience to vist Ewood, incorporate pre /post match events, better catering.

All these things would help improve the club and would not affect FFP. It's not all about cash. Where there's a will there's a way.

The most important thing a good owner should have is enthusiasm and a love of the club. Our owners may be rich but they offer nothing else. 

To answer your question, if you were a billionaire you would try everything possible. Venky's simply don't.

[phili]

17 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

If the club is such a financial burden to them, maybe they should just sell?

I don't think it is. All Championship clubs have agreed to new FfP rules, owners can fund club losses with cash to £60m over 3 years. Clubs can spend a maximum of 90% of turnover on wages next season, falling by 5% a season to the new uefa guidelines of 70%.

Unless we substantially increase our turnover there is not much wriggle room. Last set of accounts we were at 130% or something similar. After all departures this summer and last we are probably now at 90%.

[Sparks Rover]

12 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

By applying some thought, care, attention, hard graft. Understanding and engaging with the fan base and local community to get them onside, reduce ticket prices to get more fans in the ground which would help encourage the team and generate more cash revenue at the ground on match days. Inject some enthusiasm to help build up momentum. Maintain the stadium to make it a great experience to vist Ewood, incorporate pre /post match events, better catering.

All these things would help improve the club and would not affect FFP. It's not all about cash. Where there's a will there's a way.

The most important thing a good owner should have is enthusiasm and a love of the club. Our owners may be rich but they offer nothing else. 

To answer your question, if you were a billionaire you would try everything possible. Venky's simply don't.

Yup, imagine if Andy Holt had venkys money....

[Mattyblue]

Indeed, Accy are probably at their ceiling right now on the pitch, but it doesn’t stop him creating the very best experience he can for fans and constantly looking for ways to develop and ‘sweat’ the club’s assets.

Called pride and standards and they are things sadly lacking here.

Edited July 12, 2022 by Mattyblue

[JHRover]

Anyone who went to Accy Stanley on Saturday would have seen what a bit of pride and effort can achieve at a Club that should probably be non league on crowds and finances.

Nothing to do with FFP there, just plain old effort and wanting to improve, grow and do better against the odds.

No washed up Waggott bleating on about how impossible it is and how he's done all he can. 

At Rovers there has been no pride, plan or ambition for over a decade. Just a succession of excuse makers and Venky apologists taking the coin whilst the club rots.

[Neal]

Back to transfers...

 

Seeing as how I was right with my guess in us being interested in Antonio Colak... 

 

Louka Daniel Prop Andreassen of Aalborg (25), 14 goals in 33 from midfield in Danish Superliga. Fellow Dane for JDT, surely made inquiry at least? No transfer links to anywhere. Any of our Scandi fans know anything of him?

Edited July 12, 2022 by Neal

[pomster]

2 hours ago, tomphil said:

Exactly.

The writing for this was on the wall last summer but it's gone over a lot of heads because of that fantastic run of form and 2nd place.  It was pitched as Mowbrays genius journey finally bearing fruit in growing a team for promotion but the reality of it was very different.

There was a budget cut last summer and push towards lower wages model that can only be done by filling the squad with youth. There's another push towards that this summer it's a massive risk but they've stuck all their eggs in changing management structure in the hope it'll see us through.

There is no budget or driving ambition for promotion and never was which after last season is criminal given the position we were in. 3 key players gone screams this loud and clear never mind no quality coming in so despite JDT and co possibly being a modern upgrade on the last lot the actual playing squad has suffered another very big downgrade....so far.

I'll snap hands off for 11th place right now.

JDT and GB must of been told a right porky by the powers that be. Otherwise why would they come?

[Craigman]

Blackburn push hard for Kop defender Davies

By Alan Nixon

Blackburn Rovers are trying hard to strike a deal with Liverpool for forgotten defender Ben Davies.

Rovers want to take former Preston centre half Davies on loan for the season and are willing to pay the wages and an extra rental settlement.

That may give Jon Dahl Thomasson an edge over rivals in the race for Davies’s signature as he seeks a handful of new signings.

Davies is back at Anfield for a spell with Sheffield United where he spent much of his time on the sidelines.

However Blackburn see him playing a key role and hope for an agreement to be in place quickly.

 

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[ItsRoverZ]

2 minutes ago, Craigman said:

Blackburn push hard for Kop defender Davies

By Alan Nixon

Blackburn Rovers are trying hard to strike a deal with Liverpool for forgotten defender Ben Davies.

Rovers want to take former Preston centre half Davies on loan for the season and are willing to pay the wages and an extra rental settlement.

That may give Jon Dahl Thomasson an edge over rivals in the race for Davies’s signature as he seeks a handful of new signings.

Davies is back at Anfield for a spell with Sheffield United where he spent much of his time on the sidelines.

However Blackburn see him playing a key role and hope for an agreement to be in place quickly.

 

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What's a rental agreement? Extra rental agreement that is? 

[RoversClitheroe]

3 minutes ago, ItsRoverZ said:

What's a rental agreement? Extra rental agreement that is? 

A loan fee.

[ItsRoverZ]

1 minute ago, RoversClitheroe said:

A loan fee.

So we would pay an extra loan fee? Why not just try sign him permanently?

[Sparks Rover]

4 minutes ago, ItsRoverZ said:

What's a rental agreement? Extra rental agreement that is? 

Yep, it's the Chelsea way leasing their assets out to smaller clubs.  It can be very tax advantageous to have all your players not on the books.

[RoversClitheroe]

It's such an uninventive signing.

I'd be disappointed tbh, a loan too.

[Rochdale_rover]

5 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

It's such an uninventive signing.

I'd be disappointed tbh, a loan too.

Top centre half at this level .

[ItsRoverZ]

5 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

It's such an uninventive signing.

I'd be disappointed tbh, a loan too.

He's a good player at this level, but i agree on the fact it's a loan, if he was a perm I'd be very happy 

[RoversClitheroe]

Reading who looked like relegation candidates being unable to sign anyone making moves, what is going on with our club.

They're signing Shane Long today - 80k wage at Southampton to 5k at Reading.

Jeff Hendrick on loan.

Hutchinson about to sign.

Fulton from Swansea.

Meanwhile we're doing F all.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Reading who looked like relegation candidates being unable to sign anyone making moves, what is going on with our club.

They're signing Shane Long today - 80k wage at Southampton to 5k at Reading. - Piss

Jeff Hendrick on loan. - Piss

Hutchinson about to sign. - Piss

Fulton from Swansea. - Super piss

Meanwhile we're doing F all.

 

[ItsRoverZ]

1 minute ago, Mellor Rover said:

 

£10 bet on Shane long outscoring anyone at rovers if he plays in the championship 

[den]

1 hour ago, glen9mullan said:

I'd say its a pride thing, those first few years which ended with a relegation (which is well documented), so we wont go over old ground, pretty much screwed up any real chance of them being a success.

The loss of revenues just cant be plugged.

We cant sell the tickets, and tbh they are a drop in the ocean in terms of Sky money lost through not being in the premiership.

Would new owners change our fortunes? Sadly I dont think so, given our current owners are ploughing money in (interest free) with no current mechanism or indication that its a loan they want back.

Would a better board increase some revenue and make better use of our assets and purchases? My personal opinion is yes, as the current remit appears to have no baring on what happens on the pitch, results are evidently second to showing better figures in the P &L.

Time and football has evolved now to the levels, where we are a less attractive proposition to new owners anyway given our crowds, loss of sponsorship etc. We'd end up with much worse than Venkys, which in itself shows how far we've fallen. 

If anything taking inflation and everything else into account, we are probably slightly worse off than we were before Jack Walker took over, as we are not totally reliant on them servicing the debts

I don’t disagree with any of that Glen - but want to add there’s still every opportunity to get out of this league with the right owners, the right manager and the right blend. You don’t have to be the richest club. look at Blackpool, Bolton, Burnley and Wigan just for starters, they all did it. Don’t let the Tony Mowbrays of this world talk us into believing there’s nothing that can be done.

Edited July 12, 2022 by den

[RoversClitheroe]

3 minutes ago, Mellor Rover said:

 

Think they're bad signings then?