Transfer Window - COMPLETE. Where’s Gregg?

[roversfan99]

Just now, phili said:

The players mentioned will have their positions for the majority of the time and be able to interchange during a match creating a more fluid attacking threat.

 

Hopefully this will work as well in practice as it does in theory but the key is that players begin in positions that best suit them to begin with. For example, Gallagher will struggle regardless of the instructions on how fluid he can be when out on the right wing.

[TruRover]

6 minutes ago, blackburnravers.com said:

Honestly Van Hecke literally makes sense from all angles…

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

1 minute ago, phili said:

The players mentioned will have their positions for the majority of the time and be able to interchange during a match creating a more fluid attacking threat.

 

The key, for me, is for the attacking unit to be well drilled - i.e. Diaz drifts central, Vale moves out left etc. TBH - I was surprised how well it seemed to work on Saturday - given the limited time to embed the approach. We didn't create a huge amount of chances though - but we did have a number of opportunities created by the new approach just missing that final pass or touch.

[bluebruce]

26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Last season he didn't start a single game, any player who had not started for such a long period of time would have appeared as rusty as he did.

I am not sure why people seem so convinced that the club is actively planning to discard him. Is this based on the first game in which we knew in advance (a decision I disagreed with) that he wasn't being considered to start due to his lack of pre-season action, and then that he didn't come on in a game that we led in?

A game we led in but where our attack were huffing out their arses. Then the fact we have gone and spent 2.5 mill, which is a lot for us, on someone else to play his role. Someone who at 26 hasn't been bought for the future.

Not seen anybody saying the club are actively planning to discard him. Seen some talk he won't fit in the new system and will see minimal game time, and could get moved on in the future.

Also, he did start games for the u23s I believe. They might be less challenging games but he got 90 mins in, I think it was twice, and could have done as much running as he wanted to. Fitness can also be charged up to full levels in training, it's sharpness that only kicks in by playing matches.

[phili]

1 minute ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

The key, for me, is for the attacking unit to be well drilled - i.e. Diaz drifts central, Vale moves out left etc. TBH - I was surprised how well it seemed to work on Saturday - given the limited time to embed the approach. We didn't create a huge amount of chances though - but we did have a number of opportunities created by the new approach just missing that final pass or touch.

I think probably missing a Danny Graham hold up specialist to make the system really tick

[bluebruce]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Hopefully this will work as well in practice as it does in theory but the key is that players begin in positions that best suit them to begin with. For example, Gallagher will struggle regardless of the instructions on how fluid he can be when out on the right wing.

But you keep insisting he isn't any better up front. Where do you want him to play?

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

A game we led in but where our attack were huffing out their arses. Then the fact we have gone and spent 2.5 mill, which is a lot for us, on someone else to play his role. Someone who at 26 hasn't been bought for the future.

Not seen anybody saying the club are actively planning to discard him. Seen some talk he won't fit in the new system and will see minimal game time, and could get moved on in the future.

Also, he did start games for the u23s I believe. They might be less challenging games but he got 90 mins in, I think it was twice, and could have done as much running as he wanted to. Fitness can also be charged up to full levels in training, it's sharpness that only kicks in by playing matches.

It was sharpness that Dack lacked last season though, which he would only get by starting games. 

3 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

But you keep insisting he isn't any better up front. Where do you want him to play?

Gallagher? Ideally not at all. 

I never have said that he isn't any better up front, I just think that people seem to have an inflated opinion on his ability and what his goal tally would be if he played as a number 9.

That being said, he is more suited playing there than anywhere else, but he shouldn't be first choice.

[joey_big_nose]

1 hour ago, tomphil said:

JDT wants a hardworking team that defends from the front and hopefully creates openings through that sheer graft.

We've been through this before you cannot football your way out of this league with average players.  The only way is add quality which we can't afford or you come up with a different system to make best use of what you can get.  

That's where we are and it looks like we now have a coach and set up who realise it, you want intensity you have to bring in those players.

He's going to bloody love Dolan then. Makes half a dozen goals a season just by closing the opposition down.

[roversinmyblood]

1 hour ago, JoeH said:

Get where you're coming from but it seems to me there's an emphasis on tenacity, speed & winning the ball back in those midfield/attacking midfield areas. I think if the assumption is that Dack can't do that as effectively as a Szmodics, Hedges, Buckley etc.. then the one place he can play effectively is at 9.

He guarantees goals because of his movement, awareness and timing even if he is slower and less mobile than before. He is class. If he gets a chance he tends to put it away, unlike the rest of the team who need about 4 or 5 chances to score. 

[tomphil]

16 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

He's going to bloody love Dolan then. Makes half a dozen goals a season just by closing the opposition down.

He said when he came he wants a better team spirit than everybody else and wants us to work harder than everybody else.

Between the lines i'd say that's his method to try and achieve something despite the lack of clout and quality we may have compared to a few others.

[Finlay McKenna]

Playing players out of position is fine when it works, which it can

[Exiled in Toronto]

3 minutes ago, tomphil said:

He said when he came he wants a better team spirit than everybody else and wants us to work harder than everybody else.

Between the lines i'd say that's his method to try and achieve something despite the lack of clout and quality we may have compared to a few others.

I didn’t interpret his constant references to team first as being about team spirit. I thought it was more the needs of the team will always come first: no egos, no strops. Maybe he learned that from being under Ancelotti, who turned dressing rooms full of egos into team first.

[mustard]

30 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

He's going to bloody love Dolan then. Makes half a dozen goals a season just by closing the opposition down.

I am obviously willing Vale to do well, and admittedly haven't seen much of him (Saturday and the Celtic game particularly), but I thought Dolan did more in 5 minutes than Vale did in however long he was on on Saturday.

The likeness by someone to Mark Hughes earlier is barmy.  One thing I've thought from Vale when I've seen him is the ball has rarely stuck and he's been brushed off it a bit too easy.  Something he'll hopefully improve on.

[SBlue]

17 minutes ago, tomphil said:

He said when he came he wants a better team spirit than everybody else and wants us to work harder than everybody else.

I’m not sure pissing off or shipping out Bradley Dack would be the best way to achieve that.

Seems very popular and a good laugh in the dressing room, and one of the few senior players we have.

It was the first game. Let’s not panic yet.

[J*B]

Get van Hecke now. Offer 3M quid, put him on the 15K a week that Ayala is on and tell Brighton we know its a low fee, but they can buy him back at any time for 12.5M. Call it an extended loan. 

[Galgaterover10]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Last season he didn't start a single game, any player who had not started for such a long period of time would have appeared as rusty as he did.

I am not sure why people seem so convinced that the club is actively planning to discard him. Is this based on the first game in which we knew in advance (a decision I disagreed with) that he wasn't being considered to start due to his lack of pre-season action, and then that he didn't come on in a game that we led in?

I’m basing it on the club spending a chunk of their budget on his exact position. Odd thing to do if they plan on Dack being a key man. Could have signed a young lad on loan for insurance over his injuries. We aren’t spending 1-2m on someone to sit on the bench add that to GBs comments about SS playing centrally. 

[Gamst]

Besiktas have signed Arthur Masuaku on loan from West Ham which may suggest they are out of the race to sign Styles. 

[SuperBrfc]

59 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 

Gallagher? Ideally not at all. 

I never have said that he isn't any better up front, I just think that people seem to have an inflated opinion on his ability and what his goal tally would be if he played as a number 9.

It's not just with Gallagher either, IMO. It's the same with a lot of our attacking options.

I'm not interested in how fluid they are and any other jargon Broughton wants to come out with about metrics etc, I don't think there are many goals in our attacking line as it stands, Dack aside (assume BBD won't be here), and that is a concern.

On the Peterborough signing, their fans seem to be surprised we have gone for him and at the rumoured fee too. They don't seem to think he can cut it in the Championship. There might be a few "he's crap anyway" posts among them, as happens with some fans at every club when a player leaves, but the general feeling from them is of surprise.

A few have mentioned it and I agree, he does have a Bellamy-esque vibe about him from the clips I have seen, so we'll have to see how he settles in. He could turn out to be an exciting player.

Might be an extremely unpopular opinion, but I think this JDT experiment could be short lived and could end in tears. I don't want that to happen, obviously, but it's just the feeling I get from the way we are faffing about, the way Dack is being held back, the way we seem to be 'done' with our CM business etc. I'm just stating how I feel about it at present and don't expect many to agree.

[ItsRoverZ]

10 minutes ago, Gamst said:

Besiktas have signed Arthur Masuaku on loan from West Ham which may suggest they are out of the race to sign Styles. 

I've been told we have backed out of signing styles on our end, he was being looked at as a CM option who could cover at LB if needed, not the other way round,  Styles has never played LB in a back 4. He was a wing back in a back 5 

Would make sense seen as we have just brought in Morton as a CM, but who knows 

[tomphil]

43 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

I didn’t interpret his constant references to team first as being about team spirit. I thought it was more the needs of the team will always come first: no egos, no strops. Maybe he learned that from being under Ancelotti, who turned dressing rooms full of egos into team first.

He actually said about the team spirit so no need to interpret that as anything other than what he said.

Agree on the rest the guy has had some good pedigree to learn under, a bit like Hughes.

[phili]

21 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

It's not just with Gallagher either, IMO. It's the same with a lot of our attacking options.

I'm not interested in how fluid they are and any other jargon Broughton wants to come out with about metrics etc, I don't think there are many goals in our attacking line as it stands, Dack aside (assume BBD won't be here), and that is a concern.

On the Peterborough signing, their fans seem to be surprised we have gone for him and at the rumoured fee too. They don't seem to think he can cut it in the Championship. There might be a few "he's crap anyway" posts among them, as happens with some fans at every club when a player leaves, but the general feeling from them is of surprise.

A few have mentioned it and I agree, he does have a Bellamy-esque vibe about him from the clips I have seen, so we'll have to see how he settles in. He could turn out to be an exciting player.

Might be an extremely unpopular opinion, but I think this JDT experiment could be short lived and could end in tears. I don't want that to happen, obviously, but it's just the feeling I get from the way we are faffing about, the way Dack is being held back, the way we seem to be 'done' with our CM business etc. I'm just stating how I feel about it at present and don't expect many to agree.

How is Dack being held back? He has been injured and hasn't had a pre season. After his past 2 seasons we have to be careful how we use and bring him back. We don't want him breaking down again and missing another season.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

30 minutes ago, ItsRoverZ said:

I've been told we have backed out of signing styles on our end, he was being looked at as a CM option who could cover at LB if needed, not the other way round,  Styles has never played LB in a back 4. He was a wing back in a back 5 

Would make sense seen as we have just brought in Morton as a CM, but who knows 

Sounds plausible.  Cheap option to cover.

[TruRover]

37 minutes ago, ItsRoverZ said:

I've been told we have backed out of signing styles on our end, he was being looked at as a CM option who could cover at LB if needed, not the other way round,  Styles has never played LB in a back 4. He was a wing back in a back 5 

Would make sense seen as we have just brought in Morton as a CM, but who knows 

Reliable source?

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

49 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

It's not just with Gallagher either, IMO. It's the same with a lot of our attacking options.

I'm not interested in how fluid they are and any other jargon Broughton wants to come out with about metrics etc, I don't think there are many goals in our attacking line as it stands, Dack aside (assume BBD won't be here), and that is a concern.

On the Peterborough signing, their fans seem to be surprised we have gone for him and at the rumoured fee too. They don't seem to think he can cut it in the Championship. There might be a few "he's crap anyway" posts among them, as happens with some fans at every club when a player leaves, but the general feeling from them is of surprise.

A few have mentioned it and I agree, he does have a Bellamy-esque vibe about him from the clips I have seen, so we'll have to see how he settles in. He could turn out to be an exciting player.

Might be an extremely unpopular opinion, but I think this JDT experiment could be short lived and could end in tears. I don't want that to happen, obviously, but it's just the feeling I get from the way we are faffing about, the way Dack is being held back, the way we seem to be 'done' with our CM business etc. I'm just stating how I feel about it at present and don't expect many to agree.

I agree with you that our current forward options, whether 'fluid' or not, look short of goals. 

 

Our last 3 (league) goals  (Birmingham & QPR) were all long range.  You are lucky to get 4 or 5 of those a season.  We aren't creating a plethora of chances so need someone clinical up top.  

It seems that we have got the Liverpool lad rather than  Styles. 

Likewise it could well be Szmodic over Bowler. 

If that's the case then the 2 we've signed better be surprisingly good as they look the worse options on paper.

 

[Guest]

The lack of respect towards Dacky from some on here and other Rovers groups makes you wonder how many trolls we actually have on here. Anyone who thinks he is anything other than the best player we have at the club, and by some fucking distance, must have suffered some form of memory loss.