Mowbray, the summer and beyond

[Armchair supporter supremo]

39 minutes ago, Admiral Nelsen said:

 

Assuming we finish in the top 6 (irrespective of whether we go up via the play offs), I think that would be a really sensible option. Clearly he wouldn't deserve to get potted on this season's showing, whatever we would've thought last year. A rolling deal means that everyone has some stability and if sacking is an option further down the line, we won't be paying off a 2-3 year deal. 

He's done for here regardless of how the season pans out now. 

And good riddance. 

 

(just my feelings) 

Edited March 17, 2022 by Armchair supporter supremo

[roversfan99]

11 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Haven't I already said Cairney were sold cheaper than he should have been. 

These 3 players have been offered improved contracts and refuse to them. 

And where you saying last season we should been offering Brereton last season before his goalscoring this season? 

 

The mark up value were made by Bowyer not myself. 

He went for 25 million 6 years later after 2 clubs moves and playing for top 6 Spanish club. 

Wind up? Give it rest roversfan99 if that's the best comment you got. 

Cos they advised by the club and managers what they worth. I remember being a fan meeting where fans were saying that Gestede were sold on the cheap despite Bowyer and Shaw saying 6 million pounds was the highest bid we ever received. 

The owners shouldn't be interfering with footballing decisions. End of.

[JHRover]

I'm not sure a new manager would be given the opportunity to overhaul the coaching staff. I am of the opinion that if Mowbray did depart that Lowe, Benson and Johnson would be able to stay on under the next manager and that would be a requirement for new managers to agree to.

It is this stipulation that is likely to limit the calibre of people interested in the job, as any manager with ambition or clout will rightly expect to be able to assemble their own coaching staff and work with their trusted people rather than have people imposed on them.

I also think that if we are going to part company with Mowbray, which by the sounds of what went on on Tuesday night at half time and full time he might need for his own health if nothing else, then there needs to be a clean sweep. The best argument for getting rid of Mowbray is there is a feeling of history repeating itself every season and the same old mistakes and excuses each season. With that in mind it would be madness to remove the maanger but keep the coaching staff the same.

For me if the backroom staff are staying the same then it is almost getting to the point whereby Mowbray might as well stay on because there won't be that much point changing him.

If the club can't or won't pay the going rate to replace the coaching staff then it has serious problems because the cost is insignificant in the scheme of running a football club and aiming for promotion. If it is an emotional decision - keeping people in situ because they are nice people, work hard or get on well with people then again - we are wasting our time here because no such sentimentality should apply in such major decisions.

[Guest]

The man needs to go. Walk if he wants to exit with dignity. Shove if he won't budge. Fade away with no contract if that is what he prefers.

I'm just fed up of watching his astounding lack of awareness in all dimensions. 

On Tuesday you would have been forgiven for thinking his side had suffered a reverse after going ahead, based on the body language, the glum gurning chops and the bizarre pep talk with Shrek after the third goal went in.

Now, if I was in charge of an outfit that failed to follow my instructions and in effect mutinied, and that threatened my chances of delivering a nice easy means of laundering dirty offshore profits via a cheeky little loss making operation, I guess I might look a little miffed too. Not to say, of course, that anything of that magnitude could possibly be happening in a small town in East Lancashire...

[benhben]

Even if we make the play offs I simply can't bare anymore of his mental tactics and bizarre interviews. Get rid and replace with someone younger and hungrier. 

Massive reset in the summer. A good chunk of our experienced players are off for no fee and we need a big rebuild. Mowbray is not the man to lead that in any way. 

Just as important is to get rid of of pointless waggot and appoint someone competent. I won't hold my breath though. 

Edited March 17, 2022 by benhben

[Armchair supporter supremo]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

The owners shouldn't be interfering with footballing decisions. End of.

Errr not really disagreeing with you but just to point out that Jack walker always had big say(and the final say!) in transfer decisions whilst he was owner

There's even some pretty infamous examples of potential signings that he vetoed for one reason or another 

Edited March 17, 2022 by Armchair supporter supremo

[lraC]

1 hour ago, Shirley Crabtree Wrestler said:

The man needs to go. Walk if he wants to exit with dignity. Shove if he won't budge. Fade away with no contract if that is what he prefers.

I'm just fed up of watching his astounding lack of awareness in all dimensions. 

On Tuesday you would have been forgiven for thinking his side had suffered a reverse after going ahead, based on the body language, the glum gurning chops and the bizarre pep talk with Shrek after the third goal went in.

Now, if I was in charge of an outfit that failed to follow my instructions and in effect mutinied, and that threatened my chances of delivering a nice easy means of laundering dirty offshore profits via a cheeky little loss making operation, I guess I might look a little miffed too. Not to say, of course, that anything of that magnitude could possibly be happening in a small town in East Lancashire...

I like the least bit and given the number of posts you have made, I take it you are an old newbie, if you get my drift.

[1864roverite]

Personally and no matter where we finish at the end of this season I think he is a goner and don’t forsee another contract unless he is given a rolling 1 yr deal especially if we are still championship . If the improbable happened and he got us up then who knows what would happen? Millions at the clubs disposal a plethora of players would be available and it’s hard to see how TM would fit the bill because as sure is death Rovers are complete relegation fodder the season after a possible promotion

[yoda's brother]

On 16/03/2022 at 11:54, Nuttall is lost said:

He had a depressed far away look in his eyes, glazed over, contemplating life look.  The more goals we scored the more depressed he got.

He was ranting and raving at the players int he 1st half and just sat motionless in the 2nd.  Maybe he had been listening to Radiohead at half time.

more like leonard cohen

[booth]

7 hours ago, BigUts said:

IMHO to achieve a top 6 finish with this squad would be an excellent achievement. The consensus amongst the fanbase at the start of the season seemed to be that a relegation dog-fight is what we were in for this, when in reality (and now somewhat disappointingly) we probably should have been pushing Bournemouth all the way. Does that show how far we have come or a real falling part?!

I think Tony rolled the dice a bit in January on the hope that BBD would stay fit for the remainder of the season and keep up his goal scoring form. It was perhaps a lazy decision to make but it appears we had basically zero cash to spend. The signing of Hedges for any fee seems to be a bit of a panic to me due to Markanday's injury taking place.

Tony deserves a hell of a lot of credit. From where he picked us up 5 years ago to now is chalk and cheese. It has at times been excruciatingly slow and painful but in the cold light of day I think it's an achievement. 

If we are able to hit the play-offs this season then I would give him a 12 month rolling contract with perhaps a break clause at the end of each season and see how next season transpires. If we do miss out, its definitely time for a change and some new ideas. Who we would be able to bring in though is a completely different story and would probably require a huge overhaul of lots of staff. 

Regarding Markandays injury, the lad has never scored a professional goal yet, and he’s a winger. Hedges was a panic buy… Another winger.

The man is bonkers.

[Herbie6590]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The owners shouldn't be interfering with footballing decisions. End of.

The owners should lay down the parameters within which the club should operate (& that they are willing to fund); then clearly *should* also appoint the right people to execute their chosen strategy.

[tomphil]

I think that is pretty much what they do anyway without actually setting any targets. Promotion chances seem to just be a bonus we'll take if it comes along otherwise we'll just plod on with the same people.

Then we again look at the amount of money they throw in, the amount of losses they are happy to allow and wonder for the millionth time just what is at the heart of it all.

Now i'm not saying money laundering but using profits from someones offshore enterprises could well be the thing here. Especially if he draws a few million out for himself somewhere in the books every season.

Edited March 17, 2022 by tomphil

[J*B]

4 hours ago, Shirley Crabtree Wrestler said:

The man needs to go. Walk if he wants to exit with dignity. Shove if he won't budge. Fade away with no contract if that is what he prefers.

I'm just fed up of watching his astounding lack of awareness in all dimensions. 

On Tuesday you would have been forgiven for thinking his side had suffered a reverse after going ahead, based on the body language, the glum gurning chops and the bizarre pep talk with Shrek after the third goal went in.

Now, if I was in charge of an outfit that failed to follow my instructions and in effect mutinied, and that threatened my chances of delivering a nice easy means of laundering dirty offshore profits via a cheeky little loss making operation, I guess I might look a little miffed too. Not to say, of course, that anything of that magnitude could possibly be happening in a small town in East Lancashire...

These money laundering rumours have gone on for about 15 years now and I’m yet to have anyone explain how it’s a remote possibility or even viable. Until someone can do that, I’m putting it in the nonsense category. 

[Armchair supporter supremo]

2 hours ago, booth said:

Regarding Markandays injury, the lad has never scored a professional goal yet, and he’s a winger. Hedges was a panic buy… Another winger.

The man is bonkers.

Hedges was a panic buy!? 

 

We seemed to have been chasing him forever and negotiations to bring him in appeared to have started right at the beginning of the transfer window (if not earlier) 

 

More like a shady looking poor buy

Edited March 17, 2022 by Armchair supporter supremo

[darrenrover]

1 hour ago, J*B said:

These money laundering rumours have gone on for about 15 years now and I’m yet to have anyone explain how it’s a remote possibility or even viable. Until someone can do that, I’m putting it in the nonsense category. 

'Quelle surprise!'

[J*B]

7 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

'Quelle surprise!'

The stage floor is yours Darren, if you can substantiate it then we’re all ears?

[darrenrover]

26 minutes ago, J*B said:

The stage floor is yours Darren, if you can substantiate it then we’re all ears?

Sat second in the table mid January, with a chasm of a gap to 7th place and beyond, with 2 weeks left of the transfer window and we sign who?

We then go on a sequence of results predicted by most, culminating in last Tuesday's team selection, not withstanding asking Bradley Johnson to play in the most advanced role in the team, Mowbray then sits down at half time and lets Mark Venus take over in the technical area.

Can you honestly believe that BRFC are STILL such a basket case without any ulterior motive still perhaps being in play?

Sorry to disappoint but I can substantiate nothing, If I could I wouldn't on here.....I'd be intrigued to see your collective rationale in opposition however.... My lugs are pinned!

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

Hedges was a panic buy!? 

 

We seemed to have been chasing him forever and negotiations to bring him in appeared to have started right at the beginning of the transfer window (if not earlier) 

 

More like a shady looking poor buy

I presume Booth means they rushed it through and had to pay money despite him already being on a pre agreement. To come in summer.......for nothing.

[J*B]

28 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

Sat second in the table mid January, with a chasm of a gap to 7th place and beyond, with 2 weeks left of the transfer window and we sign who?

We then go on a sequence of results predicted by most, culminating in last Tuesday's team selection, not withstanding asking Bradley Johnson to play in the most advanced role in the team, Mowbray then sits down at half time and lets Mark Venus take over in the technical area.

Can you honestly believe that BRFC are STILL such a basket case without any ulterior motive still perhaps being in play?

Sorry to disappoint but I can substantiate nothing, If I could I wouldn't on here.....I'd be intrigued to see your collective rationale in opposition however.... My lugs are pinned!

No worries, here we go:

1) We sign who we can afford to sign, the club was decimated financially because of COVID resulting in the owners having to buy the training ground off the club they already own. This club loses money every single day and therefore FFP restricts that. Arguably a strong CEO would find ways of generating more money to help this, ours seems to struggle.

2) We go on a bad run because the manager is poor. It happens every year, repetitivenesses cannot be attributed to anything but poor leadership decisions.

3) We play Johnson upfront because the manager has limited options and thinks it’s the best option. It isn’t the best option, as it was proved. Ignore all of the “I’m happy with my team”, he isn’t, if he was allowed to replace Gallagher he would have done, but he can’t say that. 

4) If you believe the club is a basket case, how on Earth can you sit in the posh lounges at Ewood on match day making Twitter videos with club management with a straight face? There’s a reason they don’t let the likes of Kamy and Glen Mullan swan around in there… and it’s not because they can’t afford it!

[tomphil]

Limited options ?

Pull the other one its got bells on it he had Gallagher, Giles. Dack and Hedges on the bench. The options for false 9 are almost limitless with the types hes gathered. Dolan, Khadra, Rothwell, Dack, , Gallagher, Giles and of course Buckley just to name a few.

Why the tombola fell on Johnson god only knows but don't be saying limited options stick to facts.

As for Gallagher HE signed the guy !

Edited March 17, 2022 by tomphil

[Armchair supporter supremo]

38 minutes ago, tomphil said:

I presume Booth means they rushed it through and had to pay money despite him already being on a pre agreement. To come in summer.......for nothing.

Ahh get ya, what a waste of money! 

Even on a free he's still a waste of a salary if he's not going to be used

 

[tomphil]

I think the Rothwell saga might have had something to do with it he seemed to get rushed in when it looked like JR was going.

We know we never replace a spade with a spade so god knows what the thinking was. All this not up to speed learning the Rovers way is bollocks imo.  Hes just got another body in for the sake of it but never had a specific role for him yet.

[Guest]

If I had the money, Nick (AKA DR) would be my choice for the John Williams role at the club.. Knowledgeable about the (real) game in football, experienced and successful in business, passionate about the Rovers and straight talking as the day is long. Top bloke.

[Guest]

On 10/03/2022 at 17:51, chaddyrovers said:

Here is post from a Rovers scout John Brown on LinkedIn 

If you scroll down the page a while though, he does call him a gurning bastard...

Just saying.

[JHRover]

3 hours ago, J*B said:

No worries, here we go:

1) We sign who we can afford to sign, the club was decimated financially because of COVID resulting in the owners having to buy the training ground off the club they already own. This club loses money every single day and therefore FFP restricts that. Arguably a strong CEO would find ways of generating more money to help this, ours seems to struggle.

2) We go on a bad run because the manager is poor. It happens every year, repetitivenesses cannot be attributed to anything but poor leadership decisions.

3) We play Johnson upfront because the manager has limited options and thinks it’s the best option. It isn’t the best option, as it was proved. Ignore all of the “I’m happy with my team”, he isn’t, if he was allowed to replace Gallagher he would have done, but he can’t say that. 

4) If you believe the club is a basket case, how on Earth can you sit in the posh lounges at Ewood on match day making Twitter videos with club management with a straight face? There’s a reason they don’t let the likes of Kamy and Glen Mullan swan around in there… and it’s not because they can’t afford it!

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to get going again on this.

'Decimated financially because of Covid' - I'm not sure that we were, or at least not to the extent some would suggest. The club retained all its season ticket income for the 2019-20 season, refusing refunds where rivals offered them. Sky and media money increased considerably to cover losses in ticket revenues during the 2020-21 season. I'm not sure why or how Covid has affected this club any more or worse than anyone else. There's an argument we should have been best protected against Covid given our relatively low reliance on gate receipts and crowds in comparison to those who budget for 20,000+ a week turning up.

Even if by some strange reason we were in a worse state than others because of covid, since the summer we have had no restrictions, and unlimited ticket sales. Just because Waggott botched season ticket sales once again doesn't mean it is covid caused. 

The purchase of the training ground we are led to believe was a FFP dodge, and nothing to do with Covid. Covid losses can be deducted from FFP calculations as clubs clearly should not and cannot be sanctioned for unforseeable losses beyond their control.

The CEO is clearly out of his depth but anyone with the time to go and read his background in football could have worked that out in December 2017, yet instead the idiots in India decided to employ him on an astronomical salary seemingly on Mowbray's suggestion or recommendation rather than employing an experienced, quality CEO who would perform the role as it should be, independent of the first team manager rather than in tandem with him.

Then we get on to the transfer ins and outs. 

Adam Armstrong sold last summer adds at least £10 million onto the balance sheet even with Newcastle's cut taken off. Since last July with the mass exodus of experienced players we are looking at weekly wage savings of over £100,000 adding up to £4 million by next month. 

The club has spent a few hundred grand at most in the last few windows (and I think people probably overestimate on that given the contractual situations of Markindy, Hedges and Edun).

The club knows there is a strong likelihood of another major sale in the summer in Ben Brereton, as he won't be signing a new deal and we will turn at least £15 million on him.

So even a relatively small investment in January - and I'm talking signing a CF from League One or Two or even an Andy Carroll until the end of the season - would not have breached FFP. It is nonsense.

Even if that relatively small expenditure caused issues we have the Brereton sale to make up for it with interest. 

It is inexplicable and unacceptable. It has almost certainly blown automatic promotion in a month going from 2nd in Feb to well off it in March. It will probably cost us a play-off spot too. Shame but that's what happens when run by the likes of this lot. 

It is time people accepted the reality. Venkys don't care. The only way they pump more in than the bare minimum is if the manager gets on a plane, goes to Pune, waits for his meeting, tells them how great they are and persuades them to spend. Mowbray hasn't been able to do this which is why the club has been left scrimping and saving for the last 2 years trying to walk the tightrope of managing with no investment from the owners.

I personally doubt that Desai and her hubby even know we've been near the top of the league. 

Edited March 17, 2022 by JHRover