Jon Dahl Tomasson - Officially No Longer Our Head Coach

[glen9mullan]

1 minute ago, RoverDom said:

My main question in all this.... am I the only one not having dinner with Waggot? 

Yeh quite tedious, friends counted on one hand, acquaintances through your job, role and position something else.

Once you cross the line and become friends you become compromised, less effective and no longer credible to those you seek to represent.

As one famous Director once said to me when I asked him if he wanted to come for a beer 20 yesrs ago (my own work life) at Xmas. "No because one day I may have to sack you"

Supporter representation starts with your own opinion being shelved permanently, putting the views of others regardless of if you agree/disagree with the points you are presenting.

As no-one is doing market research, holding public meetings, i'm a little unsure how supporter opnion is being gauged or what is being presented.

Believe it or not twitter, facebook, brfcs and other msg boards count to just a small percentage of our supporter base.

Getting down in the trenches, facing the supoorters face on is something i've not seen since the last Georges hall open meeting chaired by Wayne Wild and Mark Fish some 6 years ago.

[glen9mullan]

1 hour ago, Mhead2 said:

Whilst  the above excellent post is in the wrong thread, as Chair of the Trust, I have also met with Steve W. on many occasions and usually for a long Dinner(where I insist on paying 50% of the time). I usually have a list of issues that I write down and make sure I cover in conversation. Two Christmasses ago I gave him a Christmas present: Mike Jackman's excellent The Essential History of Blackburn Rovers. For a specific reason of course, because one of a number of issues I do not sympathise with him is the lack of any awareness within BRFC of East Lancashire's economy, environment and (most of all) mentality. With the exception of Lynsey Talbot I must add. 3 years ago I did a presentation to the Marketing team(plus 2 Senior staff) and this fell largely on stony ground. The departure of Greg Coar may help, but its slow,slow progress. The Trust "Marketing Prospectus" will be reviewed again and then despatched to Club again in September, specifically for the new Marketing Manager.

BUT through all this I have and still regard SW as a friend and under the old system he was at Brockhall far more than at Ewood.....I hope this will change from now.

And the 3 things I said to him I could NEVER agree with him were:

-Pricing structure and levels

-the lack of awareness of the state of the Riverside and its place for fans of the Club

- and marketing of the Club(especially after £10 matches) and  across Lancashire, not just around Blackburn with Darwen

He will eventually retire but Rovers Supporters never retire! And its very much OUR Club.

Really welcome JDT and ,especially, Gregg Broughton. 

More on the future Trust tactics and projects this Wednesday 22nd from 7.30pm....all welcome to Billington Band Club.

Wildly shakes his head 

I'm a big supporter of the trust (also ex secretary)

But wow this post was best unwritten.

How can you represent the members and not be compromised now SW is your friend?

I think you've crossed the line of no return.

[Brfcrule1]

4 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Questionable?

we won’t replace Mowbray with anyone above the likes of a Grayson level!

we won’t have a budget!

we won’t sell 2k season tickets !

we will promote Venus into head coach!

we will not have a decent pitch to play on !

there will be no investment !

we won’t have a sports science department 

venkys are not bothered and have pulled the financial clout ! They have turned the taps off!

 

This list is not exhaustive but is reflected by commentators on this forum, just go back and have a read and you will see them. There are more like, Benson is shite, Lowe is useless (I agree on this point I may add), Waggot is a clown and doesn't know his arse from his elbow, Pasha is a no mark venkys puppet and so on.

There is a constant air of negativity from so called "hardenend" Rovers supporters, especially on this forum.

Don't get me wrong, the last 12 years have shown incompetence on a grand scale, money frittered away, money going missing, agents at work screwing the club, players stealing a wage aka living, astronomical wages, poor leadership and shocking managerial decisions added to gross incompetence off the park.

Yes there has been a total shit show by the owners of our club which has rightly brought angst, anger, despair, more anger and even rage, it has forced fans away from the club and yet, they remain at the helm, funding the club, holding their debt, paying the wages, sustaining the club through a pandemic and please don't quote other clubs have done the same, just ask Derby fans how they feel about their own club and its current status.

You are wrong to assume Steve Waggot is my friend, so very wrong it is surprising the comment came from you as your posts often come across as being those of a smart person. You don't know me, neither me you, but I am sure we have shared and probably still do, strong feelings about BRFC.

To think that I hang on every word SW says to me is a little disrespectful. I am not one of those who simply listens to his utterings and go away thinking the world is ok in the world of BRFC. I am a little bit more intelligent than perhaps you give me credit for.

Let me enlighten you a little. Before I ventured to Ewood to see him last year, we had exchanged a large number of emails where I had outlined my own concerns and views on BRFC. I was armed with all sorts of research, I spoke with many, some from this forum, exchanged emails, read various accounts, weeded the wheat from the chaff in respect of what was right and what was utter shite, what was the truth rather than speculation, researched SW himself, spoke to Coventry and Charlton fans about him, I listened to his talks on LinkedIn and I spoke to people who have worked with him over 25 years to gauge what kind of person he was going to be when I conversed with him. I must add, that as an experienced investigator and interviewer, I was pretty much armed with everything that I needed.

Before the Cardiff game last season he gave me 3 hours of his time pre match, which in itself showed he actually cared about taking time out to speak to a supporter face to face, man to man before a home game and in which he put me first rather than the Cardiff executives. I know he had taken in various fans forums as well as meeting with other supporters. And this is the best bit, I had actually spoken to some who had attended such meetings just to see if the message was going to be tittle tattle, similar or with or without any foundation - in other words it was to seek out the bullshit.

My first meeting was very well received, I didn't just meet him, I met with other figures at the club.  I learned a lot about him during that meeting and I will say that he was open, brutally honest, told me things perhaps he shouldn't have (and to this date have remained confidential) and told me about the future changes he was beginning to oversee at the club as it began to recover from the covid pandemic. I was shown in black and white, a blue print for the future, how he saw the club in the future and not just for 2023/24 but beyond, the plans by the owners, the plans around Ewood and the future of the Academy. We talked about many things from St sales, the home crowd, the Ewood experience, the community links, commercialism, food and drink inside the ground, the supporters club, communication, The Blues Bar and many other things. Armed with all of my research, I was happy with everything that he said and told me. I didn't suspect nothing apart from a willingness to make BRFC a better experience to to try and right the wrongs of what has gone before.

My next meeting was even better in some respects. I managed to speak to two players, the groundsman, other staff at the ground and two very well respected ex-players who were there before I met with those inside Ewood. Again, armed with everything that I needed added to what we had spoken to before, SW spoke with added enthusiasm about future plans. I saw for my own eyes the developments in the behind the scenes work, I was fully updated with what was happening with recruiting staff in particular the process of finding the new manager. I was given an insight as to how it would be approached and so it proved in the appointments we have seen across the backroom staff.

I might add that I shared my findings with a select few before even mentioning what I had done for two reasons, to see if there was anything to corroborate what I had been told as being factually incorrect and then also to establish just how much, if there was, bullshit had been spouted with a view to placating a concerned fan. Some of those exchanges will forever remain in confidence because I do not want to expose the link that I have to all things at the club!

So, back to your opening gambit. Yes I do think there are times when the club needs defending but let me also say, there are times when the club needs to brought to account and when that is the case, rest assure, I am more than happy to let the club know my feelings which will be consummate with other supporters who have the same concerns.

You can say all the negative things you want about Steve Waggot as he is the CEO. He knows he has to broach and improve communications at the club, he knows he has to engage the home supporters and he damn well knows that he has to seek the balance as regards match ticket/season ticket prices. He is fully aware Ewood needs more than just a lick of paint and he knows more than ever the home fans need an Ewood experience to be proud of. These are all things that we have spoken about and not just him.

Rovers were actually caught by surprise with Mowbray's outburst when he announced his intention of not seeking to speak to the club, they were even further disappointed with comments that were attributed to him in another media publication hence why he found himself on gardening leave and out of pocket! It was at that point, Rovers set about the process of a change of direction for on field activities and now it is all sorted. They knew they were losing three backroom staff and they knew they had to replace and reinvigorate the scouting team set up to go alongside the new model.

He knows there are major issues with fans wanting cheaper tickets and I agree, I am one of them but at the same time there has to be a bit of a reality check on finances when money only goes so far and priorities have to be put in place.

Commercial wise, I would now expect a better service and operation with a new manager in place - it isn't about cut backs as some might claim, it is about progressing the off field activities and making sure the club operates at a better level. Kits are now almost ready for next season and will be released sooner than we have ever seen, the whole aspect of the commercial side is undergoing a full review from the corporate prices, food offers and drinks in corporate facilities and on the concourses. I as well as many others have pointed out that paying £350 for a pie that is as solid as a rock is not value for money especially when you can get two for that price opposite the ground. Charging fans for the Blues Bar entry is so very wrong, the price of a pint is not too bad but could be cheaper if the fans are encouraged to come to the ground, pre match entertainment outside the Blackburn End has shown it will entice supporters to the ground early rather than head to the moorgate where the music puts you off as its too loud for a chat, it is this kind of topic we talked about.

Ticket prices are a must to be targeted and for all sorts of reasons, he understands this and is constantly looking at it although this brief is for the TO manager who has so far failed to listen to fans, I am at a loss why he or the club have failed to responds to the Trust letter with what I consider to have contain some excellent proposals.

I hope that  I have put my POV across as to why I defend the club as I do!

 

Well said pal!

[47er]

2 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

I would reread it, do some proper research then review it all instead of relying on speculation! oh yes, you might want to go down to Ewood, make an appointment and see for yourself.

Season ticket prices? Compared to our rivals? State of the stadium?

Words come cheap.

[roversfan99]

@1864roverite in regards to your long post.

Firstly some of the Waggott jokes are exactly that. That being said, I do think that to an extent that Waggott has pulled the wool over your eyes in that youve started to judge based on what youve heard rather than what has actually been done. No one would ever say that this is the case as youd never know. He seems like someone who has given his time and made a real effort so I can understand why it has happened. It also is likely incompetence rather than anything more sinister that has overseen many of his mistakes.

Youve listed the history of Venkys yet seem to be questioning the support of people for being critical of them which I think is totally unfair. You also clearly share low expectations if merely paying the bills/not becoming Derby/Bury (which were totally different situations) is something that warrants appreciation.

You seem to be assured based on what he told you that he does understand the ticketing situation and seem confident that he can improve it. Such low attendances, prices towards the top of the Championship in a somewhat deprived area and repeatedly using advertising campaigns that antagonise as well as repeatedly (as seen this week) having to go back on themselves following poor uptake do not show that sense of learning from mistakes. There is a sliding scale between low prices to increase quanitity and higher prices and a sweet spot in between. Waggott repeatedly goes too far towards the latter and has obliterated the season ticket base.

2 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

I would reread it, do some proper research then review it all instead of relying on speculation! oh yes, you might want to go down to Ewood, make an appointment and see for yourself.

You shouldnt need to make an appointment to make a judgement. What has actually happened is what should be judged, not what is said in meetings with fans in which Waggott has pre prepared for and is naturally going to paint things in a positive and ultimately biased light. Plans are necessary but equally worthless until carried out successfully.

Repeatedly failing to be specific on the details of why you are so confident coupled with provocative counter arguments essentially asking people to meet Waggott rather than judging on what has actually happened only further aggravate people IMO. You also repeatedly dismiss the value of peoples opinions on here as if we are all claiming to be experts to pass comment on a messageboard yet you still choose to read them anyway.

[tomphil]

Reading some of that above gives the impression Waggot was open to keeping Mowbray. He won't do anything proactive with the season ticket prices either despite obviously knowing how it's affecting gates and fans opinions.

So what is he actually learning ?

[roversfan99]

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I'm hoping that Jack Vale will be part of the first team squad this coming season. Got high hopes for him. 

How many signings do you think we need this?

I said 5 or 6 signings plus promoting 4 players into the first team squad from the under 23's  

You already know, I think between 8 and 10 I would say. Weve had this discussion a million times, the difference is because I dont think we can assume that all of the players that you suggested can be assumed to be of sufficient quality because we are short if any arent. We know this difference in opinion and dont need to again have the same debate so you dont need to respond by saying which players youd promote.

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well Gregg Broughton said we got JDT who was speaking to a club that would be playing in Europe this coming season. So some people will see that as a coup

Its a exciting appointment 

Venkys never said they was coming but said they would try to get to a game. which is different to what you are saying. 

Our Director of Football Gregg Broughton have said we have healthy budget for transfer wise. What that is I don't know.

Wage budget will be some room on it now all loan players have gone back and players like Darragh Lenihan, Joe Rothwell, Bradley Johnson have left the club So I would say there is around 2 to 3 million pounds available there. 

The quote was:

"We know you are keen to know when we will return to Ewood Park and it's something I am personally looking to plan into my schedule this coming season."

Doesn't say try but either way, I am not surprised that they couldnt be arsed and didnt bother.

[47er]

There was also the Brockhall fiasco where Waggot was up to his elbows in it after being involved in similar stuff at Coventry.

I could never trust him after that.

[tomphil]

5 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

It's a good job the external advisors to the owners have come up trumps this time by bringing Broughton to the table, who in turn went and got JDT. It's a relief that it wasn't the usual agency suspects of years gone by, who many of us thought would stick their oar in again this time.

Fair play to the current external advisors for stepping in on behalf of the owners and preventing what would most likely have been a cheap as you like, dolloper, recommendation from Swag.

Whom are these external advisors though ?

[Brfcrule1]

2 hours ago, glen9mullan said:

This is wrong 

The model of DOF and Manager is universally accepted, it was pointed out at day 1 once Mowbray's departure was confirmed.

Dont forget rovers appointed Park around 6 or 7 months ago, this was to be long term not short term, his role very much player recruitment.

The DOF was never going to have input in the managerial appointment. This has been widely reported throughout.

SW made a complete hash of the search.

GB was found after a headhunter was appointed a couple of weeks ago due to concerns that wheels were not moving and a complete lack of confidence from India was very apparent. This is not the first time the Raos own advisors have recommended an interception. 

Broughton was brought to the Raos and spoke directly to them, who sold the vision, not SW. He was asked to get involved by them on the manager search front, as it was failing massively. He came up trumps straight away without any objections from SW and we've appointed now a credible DOF and Manager.

I'm not overly concerned what SW says on the matter and may ask to see him myself this week, armed with the written literature and ask why we made such a balls up of the process.

Employing people in your response to Josh is condescending, and what thats got to do with anything i dont know.

Fyi lots on here are established, astute business men.

I myself have been a director and shareholder at some large companies, including at one of the biggest employers in the area circa 900 employees,  who in turn was one of rovers biggest sponsors.

There is lots of positives in these appointments, and one or two other things 

However how the ship is being run is amateurish at best.

Hearing Greg Coar has also gone (another long term, loyal employee) is another blow.

I'm sure your efforts are well meaning, and if anything you get more grief due to others in your crew constantly sucking everything off on other social media platforms which is doing more damage to your cause than good.

To be clear, everyone wants this latest chapter to be the best in the book, but be under no illussions, there has not been a shift in opinion. Absent supporters remain absent. New supporters will always come, and others walk away. However i have seen zero to get the thousands who walked away back, its more a defeatist attitude of "oh well they are gone, let's try and attract new

....

fans".

 

Well said Glen, it gives us a picture of what is going on it also proves Venkys have learnt nothing in 12 years thank God by chance we've stumbled across GB who in turn found JDT just in time 

[SuperBrfc]

58 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Whom are these external advisors though ?

I don't know, but so far the signs appear to be better than before. No guarantee of success of course, but there at least seems to be a plan now, with the Head Coach/DoF setup and two positive appointments in those roles.

[USABlue]

6 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Questionable?

we won’t replace Mowbray with anyone above the likes of a Grayson level!

we won’t have a budget!

we won’t sell 2k season tickets !

we will promote Venus into head coach!

we will not have a decent pitch to play on !

there will be no investment !

we won’t have a sports science department 

venkys are not bothered and have pulled the financial clout ! They have turned the taps off!

 

This list is not exhaustive but is reflected by commentators on this forum, just go back and have a read and you will see them. There are more like, Benson is shite, Lowe is useless (I agree on this point I may add), Waggot is a clown and doesn't know his arse from his elbow, Pasha is a no mark venkys puppet and so on.

There is a constant air of negativity from so called "hardenend" Rovers supporters, especially on this forum.

Don't get me wrong, the last 12 years have shown incompetence on a grand scale, money frittered away, money going missing, agents at work screwing the club, players stealing a wage aka living, astronomical wages, poor leadership and shocking managerial decisions added to gross incompetence off the park.

Yes there has been a total shit show by the owners of our club which has rightly brought angst, anger, despair, more anger and even rage, it has forced fans away from the club and yet, they remain at the helm, funding the club, holding their debt, paying the wages, sustaining the club through a pandemic and please don't quote other clubs have done the same, just ask Derby fans how they feel about their own club and its current status.

You are wrong to assume Steve Waggot is my friend, so very wrong it is surprising the comment came from you as your posts often come across as being those of a smart person. You don't know me, neither me you, but I am sure we have shared and probably still do, strong feelings about BRFC.

To think that I hang on every word SW says to me is a little disrespectful. I am not one of those who simply listens to his utterings and go away thinking the world is ok in the world of BRFC. I am a little bit more intelligent than perhaps you give me credit for.

Let me enlighten you a little. Before I ventured to Ewood to see him last year, we had exchanged a large number of emails where I had outlined my own concerns and views on BRFC. I was armed with all sorts of research, I spoke with many, some from this forum, exchanged emails, read various accounts, weeded the wheat from the chaff in respect of what was right and what was utter shite, what was the truth rather than speculation, researched SW himself, spoke to Coventry and Charlton fans about him, I listened to his talks on LinkedIn and I spoke to people who have worked with him over 25 years to gauge what kind of person he was going to be when I conversed with him. I must add, that as an experienced investigator and interviewer, I was pretty much armed with everything that I needed.

Before the Cardiff game last season he gave me 3 hours of his time pre match, which in itself showed he actually cared about taking time out to speak to a supporter face to face, man to man before a home game and in which he put me first rather than the Cardiff executives. I know he had taken in various fans forums as well as meeting with other supporters. And this is the best bit, I had actually spoken to some who had attended such meetings just to see if the message was going to be tittle tattle, similar or with or without any foundation - in other words it was to seek out the bullshit.

My first meeting was very well received, I didn't just meet him, I met with other figures at the club.  I learned a lot about him during that meeting and I will say that he was open, brutally honest, told me things perhaps he shouldn't have (and to this date have remained confidential) and told me about the future changes he was beginning to oversee at the club as it began to recover from the covid pandemic. I was shown in black and white, a blue print for the future, how he saw the club in the future and not just for 2023/24 but beyond, the plans by the owners, the plans around Ewood and the future of the Academy. We talked about many things from St sales, the home crowd, the Ewood experience, the community links, commercialism, food and drink inside the ground, the supporters club, communication, The Blues Bar and many other things. Armed with all of my research, I was happy with everything that he said and told me. I didn't suspect nothing apart from a willingness to make BRFC a better experience to to try and right the wrongs of what has gone before.

My next meeting was even better in some respects. I managed to speak to two players, the groundsman, other staff at the ground and two very well respected ex-players who were there before I met with those inside Ewood. Again, armed with everything that I needed added to what we had spoken to before, SW spoke with added enthusiasm about future plans. I saw for my own eyes the developments in the behind the scenes work, I was fully updated with what was happening with recruiting staff in particular the process of finding the new manager. I was given an insight as to how it would be approached and so it proved in the appointments we have seen across the backroom staff.

I might add that I shared my findings with a select few before even mentioning what I had done for two reasons, to see if there was anything to corroborate what I had been told as being factually incorrect and then also to establish just how much, if there was, bullshit had been spouted with a view to placating a concerned fan. Some of those exchanges will forever remain in confidence because I do not want to expose the link that I have to all things at the club!

So, back to your opening gambit. Yes I do think there are times when the club needs defending but let me also say, there are times when the club needs to brought to account and when that is the case, rest assure, I am more than happy to let the club know my feelings which will be consummate with other supporters who have the same concerns.

You can say all the negative things you want about Steve Waggot as he is the CEO. He knows he has to broach and improve communications at the club, he knows he has to engage the home supporters and he damn well knows that he has to seek the balance as regards match ticket/season ticket prices. He is fully aware Ewood needs more than just a lick of paint and he knows more than ever the home fans need an Ewood experience to be proud of. These are all things that we have spoken about and not just him.

Rovers were actually caught by surprise with Mowbray's outburst when he announced his intention of not seeking to speak to the club, they were even further disappointed with comments that were attributed to him in another media publication hence why he found himself on gardening leave and out of pocket! It was at that point, Rovers set about the process of a change of direction for on field activities and now it is all sorted. They knew they were losing three backroom staff and they knew they had to replace and reinvigorate the scouting team set up to go alongside the new model.

He knows there are major issues with fans wanting cheaper tickets and I agree, I am one of them but at the same time there has to be a bit of a reality check on finances when money only goes so far and priorities have to be put in place.

Commercial wise, I would now expect a better service and operation with a new manager in place - it isn't about cut backs as some might claim, it is about progressing the off field activities and making sure the club operates at a better level. Kits are now almost ready for next season and will be released sooner than we have ever seen, the whole aspect of the commercial side is undergoing a full review from the corporate prices, food offers and drinks in corporate facilities and on the concourses. I as well as many others have pointed out that paying £350 for a pie that is as solid as a rock is not value for money especially when you can get two for that price opposite the ground. Charging fans for the Blues Bar entry is so very wrong, the price of a pint is not too bad but could be cheaper if the fans are encouraged to come to the ground, pre match entertainment outside the Blackburn End has shown it will entice supporters to the ground early rather than head to the moorgate where the music puts you off as its too loud for a chat, it is this kind of topic we talked about.

Ticket prices are a must to be targeted and for all sorts of reasons, he understands this and is constantly looking at it although this brief is for the TO manager who has so far failed to listen to fans, I am at a loss why he or the club have failed to responds to the Trust letter with what I consider to have contain some excellent proposals.

I hope that  I have put my POV across as to why I defend the club as I do!

 

Good post, thanks for taking the time 

[matt83]

I suppose the benefit of not having the ear of anyone at the club is you can judge things that actually happen rather than what they say might happen.

Its actually quite infuriating that Swag knows the issues with season ticket pricing yet fucks it up AGAIN. He knows there’s issues with the ground yet it just slides further into disrepair. He knows refreshments aren’t up to par yet nothing changes. He knows communication with supporters is poor yet most of us are still treated like mushrooms. Perhaps the most telling thing reading between the lines he had no intention of removing Mowbray in the summer and only did so because Moggadon spat his dummy out.

If swag knows all these things and still does nothing then what is the point of him. Talk is cheap and in the case of Swag very cheap indeed. He is a Poundland CEO pretending to do the job. Any future plans he’s drawn up should be taken as seriously as a 5 year old designing his own spaceship  

  

Edited June 20, 2022 by matt83

[Paul Mani]

6 hours ago, tomphil said:

Whom are these external advisors though ?

Just a recruitment company, instructed by SW to find a DoF 👍🏼

[Upside Down]

1 hour ago, matt83 said:

I suppose the benefit of not having the ear of anyone at the club is you can judge things that actually happen rather than what they say might happen.

Its actually quite infuriating that Swag knows the issues with season ticket pricing yet fucks it up AGAIN. He knows there’s issues with the ground yet it just slides further into disrepair. He knows refreshments aren’t up to par yet nothing changes. He knows communication with supporters is poor yet most of us are still treated like mushrooms. Perhaps the most telling thing reading between the lines he had no intention of removing Mowbray in the summer and only did so because Moggadon spat his dummy out.

If swag knows all these things and still does nothing then what is the point of him. Talk is cheap and in the case of Swag very cheap indeed. He is a Poundland CEO pretending to do the job. Any future plans he’s drawn up should be taken as seriously as a 5 year old designing his own spaceship  

  

I wouldn't take them that seriously. 

[Gav]

9 hours ago, darrenrover said:

Arguably having listened to him yes.

His persona and rhetoric has certainly left me feeling both excited and optimistic Gav…something stirring in the loins that I’ve not felt since Sparky was appointed!

it’s only rhetoric for now but at least he talks the language that we can all believe and relate to. I live in hope mate!

I certainly don't believe we have the best man for the job, I don't believe this was some sort of coup either, all that said if he's exciting the fanbase and stirring something in the towns across the area that can only be a good thing.

He's the Manager of Blackburn Rovers and I'll support him 100%, the only question is, will Venkys......

[Danny O.Brien]

I think everyone would've prefered maybe a Farke or to a lesser extent carvahal. Both of who have managed in the championship. But I would've been absolutely gutted if we ended up with another washed up, tired manager who would've been just another mowbray. Whether this appointment works out or not. He's got us all excited, some more than others. He commands respect from the players just by the level of success he had as a player himself. Whether he turns out to be a great coach or not is to be seen. I think he'll get more slack off the fan base, just by reading the majority of comments on here. If he has a good start and the squad and fans get right behind him. Who knows where we could end up. Let's hope he gets backed and gets a fair crack at it. 

Edited June 20, 2022 by Danny O.Brien

[Armchair supporter supremo]

21 minutes ago, Danny O.Brien said:

I think everyone would've prefered maybe a Farke or to a lesser extent carvahal. Both of who have managed in the championship. But I would've been absolutely gutted if we ended up with another washed up, tired manager who would've been just another mowbray. Whether this appointment works out or not. He's got us all excited, some more than others. He commands respect from the players just by the level of success he had as a player himself. Whether he turns out to be a great coach or not is to be seen. I think he'll get more slack off the fan base, just by reading the majority of comments on here. If he has a good start and the squad and fans get right behind him. Who knows where we could end up. Let's hope he gets backed and gets a fair crack at it. 

Personally much prefer jdt over the mercenary carvalhal 

[tomphil]

As far as Waggot goes the guy isn't on trial so not much point asking him why he didn't get x.y.z as we've got a manager now.  To come out and say we had a big name or two in the building won't help it'll just rile people and undermine JDT which isn't fair.

This fella and set up needs 100% backing not just now but all season whatever happens, we aren't daft we'll see a clearer picture after a season. 

As for Waggot again the issue is probably he just isn't really up to the task as to what is required here. Hes never done any building clubs before he's worked at ones struggling and on the slide in Charlton and Coventry. With by the looks of it a remit to squeeze every last drop out of all aspects rather than overseeing football operations.  He has plenty experience though but maybe not the type that is required here now.

Rovers is a very sensitive fanbase especially after what has gone on over the last decade so it needs careful handling. 

[RoversClitheroe]

11 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why was he at Brockhall more than Ewood Park? 

Cos he was trying to sell it and downsize the club 

[Danny O.Brien]

1 hour ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

Personally much prefer jdt over the mercenary carvalhal 

Yeah but people were clammering for him when we was linked. More so for Farke, for obvious reasons. He's already won the league twice, walking into perhaps a worse team. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Just a recruitment company, instructed by SW to find a DoF 👍🏼

How is it he couldn’t do that ? He’s been involved in pro football for long enough.

[chaddyrovers]

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

You already know, I think between 8 and 10 I would say. Weve had this discussion a million times, the difference is because I dont think we can assume that all of the players that you suggested can be assumed to be of sufficient quality because we are short if any arent. We know this difference in opinion and dont need to again have the same debate so you dont need to respond by saying which players youd promote.

That should said you don't assume that the 4 players I have suggested to have the quality to be part of the first team squad for the coming season. You seem to have zero confidence in them to step up. Whilst I have confidence in them all stepping up and being part of the first team squad for this season. Jack Vale is the one I think can be success this season. His movement, ability to finish, running in behind defence are the things I think are his strengths. 

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The quote was:

"We know you are keen to know when we will return to Ewood Park and it's something I am personally looking to plan into my schedule this coming season."

Doesn't say try but either way, I am not surprised that they couldnt be arsed and didnt bother.

Basically I try to get there but no guarantee I will come.  

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Just a recruitment company, instructed by SW to find a DoF 👍🏼

that is what has been reported by Alan Nixon and local journalists.  

[oldjamfan1]

7 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

How is it he couldn’t do that ? He’s been involved in pro football for long enough.

It seems to be the modern way TS, it happens all the time in my sector now when recruiting for top execs but 10 years ago it was unheard of.

That said, from the outside looking in the DOF recruitment process didn't begin early enough, given the impending need for a new head coach.

[Guest]

Yeah headhunters are used for corporate positions all over the world, especially the big ones. 

Nothing obscure about using them, if anything it's a relief it wasn't left to Waggott, we'd probably have ended up with Sisu!