Jon Dahl Tomasson - Officially No Longer Our Head Coach

[roversfan99]

All very nice in theory and diagrams with arrows and talk of possession based pressing tactics seems to be in vogue at the moment, but didn't really produce much going forward at the weekend. Gallagher was as out of place out wide as he ever was, Hedges didn't suit the number 10 role and Vale couldn't bring others into play. Lots of improvement required and hopefully will come with a mixture of time under the new manager, a realisation of what our current players can and can't do and an introduction of fresh faces, whether totally new or in Dack's case, a hopefully resurgent old favourite.

[chaddyrovers]

21 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

All very nice in theory and diagrams with arrows and talk of possession based pressing tactics seems to be in vogue at the moment, but didn't really produce much going forward at the weekend. Gallagher was as out of place out wide as he ever was, Hedges didn't suit the number 10 role and Vale couldn't bring others into play. Lots of improvement required and hopefully will come with a mixture of time under the new manager, a realisation of what our current players can and can't do and an introduction of fresh faces, whether totally new or in Dack's case, a hopefully resurgent old favourite.

It was game 1. JDT and the players need time and patience to bring in the tactics/formation and style of play JDT wants to bring in. Its work in progress and game by game we will get much better by playing this style. 

Hedges did well in the number 10 role on Saturday. 

Edited August 1, 2022 by chaddyrovers

[roversfan99]

13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

It was game 1. JDT and the players need time and patience to bring in the tactics/formation and style of play JDT wants to bring in. Its work in progress and game by game we will get much better by playing this style. 

Hedges did well in the number 10 role on Saturday. 

Never said it won't take time, and my consistent message has been that it is all about results so 1 out of 1 isn't bad.

We created very little but we won the game, that's all that matters, no matter how many pretty pictures with arrows are drawn.

In the meantime, like most I will be judging following each game and commenting on what is good and bad. Didn't really work going forward but might take a lot of trial and error to get where we want.

[chaddyrovers]

28 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Never said it won't take time, and my consistent message has been that it is all about results so 1 out of 1 isn't bad.

We created very little but we won the game, that's all that matters, no matter how many pretty pictures with arrows are drawn.

In the meantime, like most I will be judging following each game and commenting on what is good and bad. Didn't really work going forward but might take a lot of trial and error to get where we want.

JDT has always said it will take time and patience to bring in his playing style and get us playing the way he wants us to. So maybe give him the proper time to bring in it and get the signings in he wants 

[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

JDT has always said it will take time and patience to bring in his playing style and get us playing the way he wants us to. So maybe give him the proper time to bring in it and get the signings in he wants 

I never said that I wouldnt give him time and patience. I dont get why you keep repeating it and it doesnt mean that we cant comment as we go, game by game. 

[Mattyblue]

Close the thread. Re-open it in about 2024. Or maybe 2025? What you reckon Chaddy?

[TugaysMarlboro]

47 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

JDT has always said it will take time and patience to bring in his playing style and get us playing the way he wants us to. So maybe give him the proper time to bring in it and get the signings in he wants 

Be a pretty boring message board if we all just kept quiet and waited.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

On 31/07/2022 at 10:56, J*B said:

Tell you what I found odd - at half time there wasn’t a single coach out with the subs on the pitch. The players where literally booting 30 yard passes to each other, then walked back in. No warm ups, no drills…

Maybe he wanted to see how they’d react in that situation. To see if they’d work it out for themselves. Now he knows.

[sverrehh]

A modern, hungry and enthusiastic coach is what Rovers needs. We have got a young squad and a new system. We might not see the best of results and table position this season - though hopefully we will improve on last season's 8th - but having some patience I believe we can do wonders next. The talents at the club will only become better and the transfers over time will suit JDT's style.

I might be inspired by watching Arsenal's docuseries All or nothing on Amazon prime where Mikel Arteta is given the time needed. Interestingly Arsenal had the youngest squad last season - much like ours.

Edited August 4, 2022 by sverrehh

[roversfan99]

Arsenal also have spent crazy money in recent years so Arteta is lucky to seemingly have total security in his job.

[sverrehh]

26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Arsenal also have spent crazy money in recent years so Arteta is lucky to seemingly have total security in his job.

Yes clearly, it is not entirely fair to compare the two managerial situations. Arteta has spent enormous sums. Though giving some managers time (atleast a 1-3 seasons) has proven wise on many occations (and sometimes obviously not).

I remember watching the four year plan' docu where QPR eventually went up to the premiership. A shambles at first, though they managed to succeed with Warnock at the helm. Different time obviously.

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Arsenal also have spent crazy money in recent years so Arteta is lucky to seemingly have total security in his job.

Arsenal have backed Arteta with a clear plan and transfer strategy and they stuck by him and the Strategy even tho they have been some very disappointing and uncomfortable moments. 

He has made a couple of quality signings in Jesus and Zinchenko both from City. 

 

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Arsenal have backed Arteta with a clear plan and transfer strategy and they stuck by him and the Strategy even tho they have been some very disappointing and uncomfortable moments. 

He has made a couple of quality signings in Jesus and Zinchenko both from City. 

 

A lot of business talk but 5th considering how much they spent last season was poor and I would suggest that a similar failing to get the top 4 after another summer of huge spending would leave him at the job centre.

[Jimmy612]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Arsenal also have spent crazy money in recent years so Arteta is lucky to seemingly have total security in his job.

Not sure I necessarily go along with that.  The Arsenal squad he inherited was full of overpaid or ageing rubbish.  

Arsenal: Leno, Maitland-Niles, Luiz, Sokratis, Saka, Xhaka, Torreira, Nelson, Ozil, Aubameyang, Lacazette
Subs: Pepe, Mustafi, Martinez, Mavropanos, Willock, Guendouzi, Smith-Rowe

11 of that 18 are already out of the door with more likely, whilst he's trying to develop the youngsters that remained.  Nicolas Pepe for one they can't shift because of a daft contract given to him by the previous regime.   He's spent £300m since then, but it doesn't dwarf any other Top 6 team and I actually think those he's brought in look decent.  His two big splashes have been Ben White and Partey - you'd probably argue those two need to show up this season.  

Just like every other club in the division (barring Chelsea MAYBE), no-one will get close to the top 2 in my opinion.  They'll have to fight for 3rd, 4th and 5th with a tilt at Europe and domestic silverware.  

Chelsea £438m 
Man City £360m
Arsenal £300m
Spurs £276m
Man United £275m
Liverpool £235m 
Everton £209m 
Leicester £205m
West Ham £200m

[chaddyrovers]

14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

A lot of business talk but 5th considering how much they spent last season was poor and I would suggest that a similar failing to get the top 4 after another summer of huge spending would leave him at the job centre.

Football is a business at times. I don't expected them to be in the top 4 last season and I think they will be challenging for that 4th Spot with Chelsea and Manchester United. Expect Spurs to finish 3rd with Liverpool and Manchester City fighting it out for the league title. 

The club have spent plenty of last season and this summer. He has to gel it together going forward

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

He's spent £300m since then, but it doesn't dwarf any other Top 6 team and I actually think those he's brought in look decent.  His two big splashes have been Ben White and Partey - you'd probably argue those two need to show up this season.  

I think Ben White, Martin Odegaard, Aaron Ramsdale and Thomas Pratley were good signing last summer plus signing Gabriel Jesus and Oleksandr Zinchenko add to the squad now. 

[SBlue]

 

My favourite thing about the gaffer is the way he says “everybody”, and that it sounds like someone from Rovers put space echo on it

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

[HowieFive0]

JDT just been on Football Focus ...he called us "Rovers" ..he ll do for me ..

[Mattyblue]

To be fair to Mogga, he did like to pull out the full ‘Blackburn Rovers’ on occasion. 

Which was nice.
 

[Exiled_Rover]

7 minutes ago, HowieFive0 said:

JDT just been on Football Focus ...he called us "Rovers" ..he ll do for me ..

If I was a BBC Producer and my reporter + film crew had come back with that piece he'd be out on his ear come Monday.

That was pointless fluff - we learned nothing about anything.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, HowieFive0 said:

JDT just been on Football Focus ...he called us "Rovers" ..he ll do for me ..

JDT came across very well and he keep saying the team is the most important to him and come first before any player. 

Loved the Rovers bit. 

[OldEwoodBlue]

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

That was pointless fluff - we learned nothing about anything.

First time on the Beeb for 11 years and I would rather see a piece on us than any other Championship club.

On our way back (hopefully).

[moerpho]

Long way to go but thank you JDT for a perfect start to the season. Means a lot after years of pointless obscurity. Just hope Venkys give you funds and time. JDT’s blue and white army!

[tomphil]

6 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

If I was a BBC Producer and my reporter + film crew had come back with that piece he'd be out on his ear come Monday.

That was pointless fluff - we learned nothing about anything.

Standard BBC if they aren't blowing smoke up one of the big boys or doing a bit of virtue signalling towards some latest fad they are lost.