Jon Dahl Tomasson - Officially No Longer Our Head Coach

[Sweaty Gussets]

Robins said: “Yeah, I think so. I think they’re the best team in possession that we’ve played this season here. I like the way they play. They are really good and brave in possession"

 

More praise. JDT is light years ahead of most all managers in this league. 

If we'd have taken our chances/had more luck we'd be in the top 2. 

The fact we aren't is on Venky's.

[roverblue]

Every manager we play says that, even though we have won 5 out of the last 21 games.

[Displaced Rover]

Another opposition manager has had a lovely evening watching us knock it about nicely without offering any threat on their goal, as we roll over for another defeat. Great.

Give me shithousing our way to 1-0 wins all season any day. No points for style.

[CambridgeRover]

Jdt will leave in the next two months.  

[cesus]

2 minutes ago, Displaced Rover said:

Another opposition manager has had a lovely evening watching us knock it about nicely without offering any threat on their goal, as we roll over for another defeat. Great.

Give me shithousing our way to 1-0 wins all season any day. No points for style.

I'm with you, if you read the script of last night's game which was it being a scrappy game with poor finishing but a team got a late winner, we all know which team would have lost. We are still not in my opinion for all the good JDT has done, a team with any sort of grit when the chips are down.

[chaddyrovers]

JDT is the right person to be Rovers head coach. He has us with a style of play and you can clearly see what the style is. Time to stick with him and it right we show loyalty to him during this time

[Mattyblue]

Shame ‘the club’ doesn’t feel the same.

[sharpysharps86]

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

JDT is the right person to be Rovers head coach. He has us with a style of play and you can clearly see what the style is. Time to stick with him and it right we show loyalty to him during this time

I love our style of play when we have the ball. I can't remember the last time Rovers were as easy on the eye in possession.

I don't think there's any danger of him getting sacked unless we suddenly found ourselves cut adrift in the relegation zone, which I don't think will happen at any point this season. I do think it's going to be a bumpy season though.

[Hasta]

Is JDT to blame for the situation? Not really. 

It's Venkys, Waggot and Broughton before him.

However we are conceding at an alarming rate because we are wide open committing too many men forward. That is on the manager. Against Hull with 10 men we showed we can sit back and defend but use the players we have to hit on the break. Same at Watford.

It might not have opposition managers purring, but it may grind out more points.

Edited October 5, 2023 by Hasta

[Inferi]

2 hours ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

Robins said: “Yeah, I think so. I think they’re the best team in possession that we’ve played this season here. I like the way they play. They are really good and brave in possession"

 

More praise. JDT is light years ahead of most all managers in this league. 

If we'd have taken our chances/had more luck we'd be in the top 2. 

The fact we aren't is on Venky's.

I agree that the Venkys slowly killing the club is the main problem. Our summer transfer window was pathetic. 

However, our xG has been higher than our opponent's for half of our matches. We are not consistently creating more dangerous goalscoring chances than our opponents.

JDT has to take responsibility for choosing to play Pears despite so many poor performances. You cannot claim you're unlucky when you stick with an awful goalkeeper who predictably keeps gifting away goals.

 

[LeftWinger]

1 hour ago, Displaced Rover said:

Give me shithousing our way to 1-0 wins all season any day. No points for style.

Mark Hughes is newly available 😂

[LeftWinger]

4 minutes ago, Inferi said:

However, our xG has been higher than our opponent's for half of our matches. We are not consistently creating more dangerous goalscoring chances than our opponents.

 

Thought I'd have a look at that in a bit of detail:

Rovers 1.52 v WBA 0.84

Rotherham 0.7 vs Rovers 2.58

Rovers 1.63 v Hull 2.13

Watford 1.48 v Rovers 0.34

Plymouth 1.13 v Rovers 1.42

Rovers 2.38 v Middlesbrough 2.22

Rovers 2.32 v Sunderland 1.84

Ipswich 2.64 vs Rovers 0.66

Rovers 1.24 vs Leicester 1.97

Coventry 0.72 vs Rovers 0.52

AVERAGE OVER THE SEASON:

Average xG for Rovers - 1.461

Average xG for Opposition - 1.546

 

We're getting worse as well:

So it's fine saying we're just being unlucky and creating more than the opposition.

But it isn't actually true. 

[G Somerset Rover]

9 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Thought I'd have a look at that in a bit of detail:

Rovers 1.52 v WBA 0.84

Rotherham 0.7 vs Rovers 2.58

Rovers 1.63 v Hull 2.13

Watford 1.48 v Rovers 0.34

Plymouth 1.13 v Rovers 1.42

Rovers 2.38 v Middlesbrough 2.22

Rovers 2.32 v Sunderland 1.84

Ipswich 2.64 vs Rovers 0.66

Rovers 1.24 vs Leicester 1.97

Coventry 0.72 vs Rovers 0.52

AVERAGE OVER THE SEASON:

Average xG for Rovers - 1.461

Average xG for Opposition - 1.546

 

We're getting worse as well:

So it's fine saying we're just being unlucky and creating more than the opposition.

But it isn't actually true. 

Very interesting. It’s like those saying that Coventry were ridiculously fortunate to win last night. On another day we take a point - but let’s not forget they still hit the woodwork 3-4 times. 

I’m very concerned personally.

Edited October 5, 2023 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, cesus said:

I'm with you, if you read the script of last night's game which was it being a scrappy game with poor finishing but a team got a late winner, we all know which team would have lost. We are still not in my opinion for all the good JDT has done, a team with any sort of grit when the chips are down.

That’s obvious. The stats of how many games we’ve failed to  turn around from a losing position is damning. I’d like to bet we are the worst in the whole of the football league over the last 5 seasons in that respect. That tells you all you need to know. I’d be deeply ashamed if I was one of the players.

Edited October 5, 2023 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Wheelton Blue]

Tomasson is a victim in all of this, a victim of the shambolic way in which the club is run and those above him.

He isn't infallible though and ultimately has to take some responsibility for results.

Unless it starts to pick up, something will have to change, if for no other reason than simply for change's sake.

And as wrong as it is - considering those above him - that something will likely be him, doing so with dignity and of his own accord.

[Sweaty Gussets]

1 hour ago, Inferi said:

I agree that the Venkys slowly killing the club is the main problem. Our summer transfer window was pathetic. 

However, our xG has been higher than our opponent's for half of our matches. We are not consistently creating more dangerous goalscoring chances than our opponents.

JDT has to take responsibility for choosing to play Pears despite so many poor performances. You cannot claim you're unlucky when you stick with an awful goalkeeper who predictably keeps gifting away goals.

 

xG doesn't take into account who the chances are falling to.

There is also no context to xG. 

If you're smashing balls across the face of goal and you don't have a striker worthy of the name to anticipate them, it won't be accounted for by xG.

Similarly, if you get in good positions and all that's missing is the final ball (happens all the time with Rovers), and you don't have players capable of playing the final ball (happens all the time with Rovers) then it won't impact xG.

We are excellent box-to-box, the best in the division, but where it matters we fall down time after time. 

Selling your best keeper and not signing a good quality striker who can remain fit obviously is having a huge impact. 

We'll see where we are in January when hopefully those issues are resolved. 

[smiller14]

1 hour ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

xG doesn't take into account who the chances are falling to.

There is also no context to xG. 

If you're smashing balls across the face of goal and you don't have a striker worthy of the name to anticipate them, it won't be accounted for by xG.

Similarly, if you get in good positions and all that's missing is the final ball (happens all the time with Rovers), and you don't have players capable of playing the final ball (happens all the time with Rovers) then it won't impact xG.

We are excellent box-to-box, the best in the division, but where it matters we fall down time after time. 

Selling your best keeper and not signing a good quality striker who can remain fit obviously is having a huge impact. 

We'll see where we are in January when hopefully those issues are resolved. 

That's with good reason - otherwise it isn't a fair reflection of the game itself. The logic is that better strikers outperform their xG and thus show their value. What the xG shows above is that we are often not creating more chances than our opposition, which does undermine the 'unlucky' label many have attributed to our recent form. If xG was updated to be based on the player the chances fall to, I imagine it would look even worse given our lack of striker. 

Agree on the smashing the ball across the face of goal though, that won't show up on xG - it's why you can never really look at it in isolation (like with any stats). I imagine there were games last season when our xG was really low and you'd think we were never in it, when in truth we probably had heaps of possession and no killer ball. 

Feel like a massive geek talking about xG and whilst I think it's flawed, I do think there's merit in using it (like we do with possession, shots on target etc). It usually ends up being quite predictive. 

[Sweaty Gussets]

18 minutes ago, smiller14 said:

That's with good reason - otherwise it isn't a fair reflection of the game itself. The logic is that better strikers outperform their xG and thus show their value. What the xG shows above is that we are often not creating more chances than our opposition, which does undermine the 'unlucky' label many have attributed to our recent form. If xG was updated to be based on the player the chances fall to, I imagine it would look even worse given our lack of striker. 

Agree on the smashing the ball across the face of goal though, that won't show up on xG - it's why you can never really look at it in isolation (like with any stats). I imagine there were games last season when our xG was really low and you'd think we were never in it, when in truth we probably had heaps of possession and no killer ball. 

Feel like a massive geek talking about xG and whilst I think it's flawed, I do think there's merit in using it (like we do with possession, shots on target etc). It usually ends up being quite predictive. 

I think my point was that xG is in many ways an indication of the quality of players at your disposal. 

For example: Good wingers = good crosses = good chances = higher xG.

Having a good striker to anticipate and connect with those crosses also helps. 

Generally, I don't think we've got our just desserts this season, just like during the run-in last season. Luck is always a factor, and we just don't get any. My hope is that changes, my fear is it's just not going to happen for JDT and he'll get frustrated and move on to better things. 

[chaddyrovers]

4 hours ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Very interesting. It’s like those saying that Coventry were ridiculously fortunate to win last night. On another day we take a point - but let’s not forget they still hit the woodwork 3-4 times. 

I’m very concerned personally.

Coventry hit the woodwork twice and Leo Wahlstedt tip an effort onto the bar also. 

We hit the bar with the Hill's Strike 

[Mattyblue]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Coventry hit the woodwork twice and Leo Wahlstedt tip an effort onto the bar also. 

We hit the bar with the Hill's Strike 

So 3 times then?

[LeftWinger]

31 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

So 3 times then?

Or can we class Wahlstedt hitting the bar as us hitting the bar?

2-2 on bar hitting. 

[Andy]

10 hours ago, CambridgeRover said:

Jdt will leave in the next two months.  

I don't think he will.

I think results will start to follow the performances, starting at QPR.

[simongarnerisgod]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

Jdt will leave in the next two months.  

don`t think he will,unless swag sacks him,he certainly won`t be here next season,expect an announcement that he`ll leave at the end of the season  when we  are safe in the division

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

It’ll be Lambert all over again. Is Coyle still in a job ?

[Upside Down]

44 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It’ll be Lambert all over again. Is Coyle still in a job ?

We're due for Coyle mkii soon.

Which means that we're going to have Mowbray mkii in a couple of years.

Fuck that.