Jon Dahl Tomasson - Officially No Longer Our Head Coach

[BankEnd Rover]

23 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Assuming you get your wish and Tomasson goes who would you get in?

John Eustace for me. 
 

Must win against Hudds for JDT. If not then I feel he’ll of lost the dressing room.

[arbitro]

2 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

John Eustace for me. 
 

Must win against Hudds for JDT. If not then I feel he’ll of lost the dressing room.

It would clearly need to be an out of work manager as these people won't pay and compensation. And that really narrows the search down. Eustace is probably the best option in that category.

I too think Huddersfield is a huge game and my worry is our poor defending. It's strange though as our kamikaze defensive play wasn't really an issue until December since when we have conceded 24 league goals and from memory a big chunk of them have come directly from pretty much unenforced errors.

[chaddyrovers]

11 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

What would it take for this to change?

If or when I changed my opinion I will give a detailed explanation on here.  

11 hours ago, roverblue said:

Based on our current performances how many players do you think he needs to turn it around and in what positions?
 

Like I said we need a centre back in someone like Leeds Centre bac Charlie Cresswell who isn't playing at Leeds and played at Millwall last season so does have championship. right winger with pace. Maybe some one Like Gordon from Liverpool. on Football website like suggested Blackett-Taylor from Charlton who has 8 goals and 7 assists this season and out of contract in the summer so wouldn't cost millions. Perhaps 300k to 500k. A main striker who can score goals. I wish we had the funds to sign WBA Striker Brandon Thomas-Asante. He didn't cost them alot but he has proven his worth this season.  

11 hours ago, RTM08 said:

I don't know how anyone can "expect" a win against Huddersfield considering they battered us a couple of weeks ago and we refuse to change anything tactically.

Cos I expected a response from the players and JDT. 

11 hours ago, booth said:

Two full backs, an experienced CB and a striker.

Didn’t Broughton say 5 additional incomings to add to the ones already in?

In any case with our budget we’ll be lucky if we get one good player out of those five.

when did GB say this? Wasn't it what Elliott Jackson from the LT suggested we needed this window? 

[Waggy76]

2 minutes ago, arbitro said:

It would clearly need to be an out of work manager as these people won't pay and compensation. And that really narrows the search down. Eustace is probably the best option in that category.

I too think Huddersfield is a huge game and my worry is our poor defending. It's strange though as our kamikaze defensive play wasn't really an issue until December since when we have conceded 24 league goals and from memory a big chunk of them have come directly from pretty much unenforced errors.

I think the present goalkeeper is partly responsible for that , however bad Pears is , he is a vastly superior goalkeeper to Leo .

[chaddyrovers]

10 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Come off it he's signed THREE strikers since he's been at the Club and none of them have scored a goal between them!

If he was deliberately signing players hoping to fail he couldn't have dared dream of such success!

alot of teams want a striker. WBA signed a good one last summer in Brandon Thomas-Asante. But Coventry spent big on 2 strikers this summer and neither performed like I thought they would and they play Gooden up front. 

Most teams want that quality striker until you have the funds to buy one. 

10 hours ago, Waggy76 said:

If that is true and I suspect it is ...JDT should be fired !

In my opinion he should have gone within 30 mins after the game at Turf Moor ..

why? is that the only game that matters to you? 

JDT produced our best league finish since being relegated to this level. If he had been given Mowbray transfer funds we would be promote under him

8 hours ago, glen9mullan said:

2. Director of football, bought in the main shite, had a grin from here to Sweden when he bought Leo. He ain't earnt any brownie points, renewing contracts is part of football, not some magic thing he has invented . Talks a good game, fucked last January up, and with the buttons we have,  may have not bothered wasting them.

How did GB fucked last January up when the problem with Lewis O'Brien deal was above in and not in his footballing department? 

8 hours ago, glen9mullan said:

3. CEO - Spineless,  out of his depth , happy with mediocre,  and needs shipping out. I'm expecting a deeper decline in crowds and even at free right now,I'd tell him to shove it.

How much real power does Waggott have and what departments is he really in charge? 

8 hours ago, glen9mullan said:

4. Venkys- All the above and paths lead to them.  Rather than promote "let's get to Ewood" where these shysters ain't been in years, id rather promote a full boycott until they do turn up and face the music.

true they are problem with the budget being cut and lack of funds to strengthen this team right now. 

[Mattyblue]

Post the start of October we were either battering sides or winning/losing by an odd goal. I don’t recall much of ‘he’s no plan B’, ‘he won’t budge from his method’ and all the rest of it then.

December started with Leo all over the place at Sheff Wed and it’s since descended into farcically bad defending and, yes, a manager that now seems reluctant to change course. 

First things first get Pears back in and at least you may have some semblance of calm back there.
 

 

Edited January 14 by Mattyblue

[NeilInBristol]

Ok what I note from this interview and the questions about him sitting on the side of the pitch is

 

1) he is talking to his players...win your personal duels..I train you all week to do this and I sit and you don't do the absolute basics. 

Imagine watching your children continuing to fluff up. You do get frustrated after time. There is only so much he can do when they play so poorly and nothing he can do standing up on the sidelines will help

 

2) pears is back in contention. Leo clearly isn't JDTs first choice.

A lot of what we are watching are a stop gap and he is really clear about this.. that's why he is so calm. He can't do much more with what he is (or rather not ) given.

 

This interview is trying to make him the scapegoat but it's not his fault. The owners and chairman to blame. Wish the interviewers would have more courage to ask proper questions instead of asking why JDT is sat down 

[pick32]

Can we add a poll to this forum, interested to see how many fans want JDT out

[Mattyblue]

Still I shouldn’t criticise the recruitment/scouting team for throwing away a big chunk of our already pitiful budget on Leo as I couldn’t name a better Scandinavian 800k goalkeeper myself.

[Hasta]

One problem (and it is only one of many) is a defensive unit made up of Brittain,  Hill, Hyam, Carter, S Wharton, Pickering with Tronstadt and A.Wharton doesnt look that bad on paper. Some will disagree but,  with the possible exception of Adam Whartons defensive ability, there are far worse groups of players in those positions in this league

So why we have conceded the most goals in the league?

Clearly some of it has to be down to defensive coaching and the way set up. JDT cant control the budget but he can control that, and he is failing.

Next game if we are to set up exactly the same, I'd drop Adam Wharton for Garrett.

[NeilInBristol]

8 minutes ago, Hasta said:

One problem (and it is only one of many) is a defensive unit made up of Brittain,  Hill, Hyam, Carter, S Wharton, Pickering with Tronstadt and A.Wharton doesnt look that bad on paper. Some will disagree but,  with the possible exception of Adam Whartons defensive ability, there are far worse groups of players in those positions in this league

So why we have conceded the most goals in the league?

Clearly some of it has to be down to defensive coaching and the way set up. JDT cant control the budget but he can control that, and he is failing.

Next game if we are to set up exactly the same, I'd drop Adam Wharton for Garrett.

But they both played yesterday..

[ABBEY]

10 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Agreed. The finances being pulled midway through the transfer window and moving the goalposts has really pissed him off.

He wanted some experience in the side. The Egg lined up the deal and the owners put a stop to it.

To me it looks like he's giving them exactly what they want. You want a bunch of kids playing 'attractive style' so they can be 'developed', well, here you go.

If JDT had been properly backed we'd be in the playoffs easily.

 

If he's that pissed off he would call his paymasters out properly, not a nudge nudge wink wink.

 

[den]

JDT goes on about needing experience in the squad. I totally agree with him. However, how much experience does he have in English football. What did/does he know about the requirements of the English leagues?
 

Thing is, we have Venkys, Waggott, Broughton and JDT. The experience between this people of English championship football amounts to how much exactly? I mean… what experience of any football, at any level, do the owners have?

Oh for proper football people running the club. Oh for managers like Furphy who didn’t need anyone else to scout and find players for him. He knew what he was doing because he’d done it all before.

[ABBEY]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

If or when I changed my opinion I will give a detailed explanation on here.  

Like I said we need a centre back in someone like Leeds Centre bac Charlie Cresswell who isn't playing at Leeds and played at Millwall last season so does have championship. right winger with pace. Maybe some one Like Gordon from Liverpool. on Football website like suggested Blackett-Taylor from Charlton who has 8 goals and 7 assists this season and out of contract in the summer so wouldn't cost millions. Perhaps 300k to 500k. A main striker who can score goals. I wish we had the funds to sign WBA Striker Brandon Thomas-Asante. He didn't cost them alot but he has proven his worth this season.  

Cos I expected a response from the players and JDT. 

when did GB say this? Wasn't it what Elliott Jackson from the LT suggested we needed this window? 

Take your head out the sand , how are we getting these players , f me we can't afford some kid from chuffing crewe.

 

 

[ABBEY]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

alot of teams want a striker. WBA signed a good one last summer in Brandon Thomas-Asante. But Coventry spent big on 2 strikers this summer and neither performed like I thought they would and they play Gooden up front. 

Most teams want that quality striker until you have the funds to buy one. 

why? is that the only game that matters to you? 

JDT produced our best league finish since being relegated to this level. If he had been given Mowbray transfer funds we would be promote under him

How did GB fucked last January up when the problem with Lewis O'Brien deal was above in and not in his footballing department? 

How much real power does Waggott have and what departments is he really in charge? 

true they are problem with the budget being cut and lack of funds to strengthen this team right now. 

Chad v the mullen..

Can I have a ten spot on the G man winning the war of words

[ABBEY]

4 minutes ago, den said:

JDT goes on about needing experience in the squad. I totally agree with him. However, how much experience does he have in English football. What did/does he know about the requirements of the English leagues?
 

Thing is, we have Venkys, Waggott, Broughton and JDT. The experience between this people of English championship football amounts to how much exactly? I mean… what experience of any football, at any level, do the owners have?

Oh for proper football people running the club. Oh for managers like Furphy who didn’t need anyone else to scout and find players for him. He knew what he was doing because he’d done it all before.

We need an experienced nasty bastrd and shuthouser.

Yesterday spoke volumes,  in the day and age of mard arse refs not one yellow to our cowards.

Edited January 14 by ABBEY

[Hasta]

57 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said:

But they both played yesterday..

Yeah but with Garrett in the Szmodics role and with Wharton plodding around as a defensive midfielder.

None of the highlights show the chance towards the end of the first half when they race through the middle with Adam Wharton completely unattentive to the danger and then jogging back to try and  get back and cover. It was a shocking piece of play for someone in the holding midfielder role.

I'm not digging him out and making him a scapegoat as he's the best footballer we've got. But the way we play and the position he plays gives us a massive problem defensively.

Edited January 14 by Hasta

[glen9mullan]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

alot of teams want a striker. WBA signed a good one last summer in Brandon Thomas-Asante. But Coventry spent big on 2 strikers this summer and neither performed like I thought they would and they play Gooden up front. 

Most teams want that quality striker until you have the funds to buy one. 

why? is that the only game that matters to you? 

JDT produced our best league finish since being relegated to this level. If he had been given Mowbray transfer funds we would be promote under him

How did GB fucked last January up when the problem with Lewis O'Brien deal was above in and not in his footballing department? 

How much real power does Waggott have and what departments is he really in charge? 

true they are problem with the budget being cut and lack of funds to strengthen this team right now. 

How can Lewis Obrien not be the football department?

GB gave a 30 minute interview admitting it was his fault.

 

SW confirmed by L Talbot in meeting,  had the same power as Coar had under Jack Walker.  Day to day decisions are his , which fall under his remit. 

Did you not ask this when you went for your picture ?

Edited January 14 by glen9mullan

[rigger]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

It would clearly need to be an out of work manager as these people won't pay and compensation. And that really narrows the search down. Eustace is probably the best option in that category.

I too think Huddersfield is a huge game and my worry is our poor defending. It's strange though as our kamikaze defensive play wasn't really an issue until December since when we have conceded 24 league goals and from memory a big chunk of them have come directly from pretty much unenforced errors.

Mark Hughes, sometimes certain managers suit certain clubs.

Edited January 14 by rigger

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Most teams want that quality striker until you have the funds to buy one. 

JDT produced our best league finish since being relegated to this level. If he had been given Mowbray transfer funds we would be promote under him

true they are problem with the budget being cut and lack of funds to strengthen this team right now. 

Reading this I'm getting the impression that you are accepting FFP isn't the issue here?

You're accepting the problem is the budget being cut from what Mowbray once enjoyed?

If it is then why could they give Mowbray those transfer funds and not JDT?

[arbitro]

We have conceded many goals in the last six weeks from set pieces, yesterday one was conceded from a corner, one a long throw and another from a recycled corner. Apart from the goals they scored I can remember every set piece they had causing us problems defensively. Surely setting up a team to defend set pieces isn't too difficult or if at least shouldn't be. Seeing the first goal again our three main defenders were close to the ball from the throw and none of them put in a worthy challenge. The keeper has to do better for sure but if we deal with the first ball they don't get the chance. Tomasson said in his RL interview that they work on defensive set plays the day before the game. It clearly isn't working right now and perhaps more time, effort and detail should go into it because you can bet your bottom dollar that opposition managers will be taking note and doing their utmost to exploit it.

[smiller14]

People pointing to individual errors, but to me it's a total lack of organisation. Remember when we had loads of individual errors under Ince? Yes - Big Sam came in and addressed a lot of it overnight. The errors reduced considerably and we were suddenly well organised. It starts with the manager and on the training ground. That being said, doesn't help when you have an absolute turnip in goal. 

[ABBEY]

Turnip ? I thought he were a swede?

[sharpysharps86]

6 minutes ago, smiller14 said:

People pointing to individual errors, but to me it's a total lack of organisation. Remember when we had loads of individual errors under Ince? Yes - Big Sam came in and addressed a lot of it overnight. The errors reduced considerably and we were suddenly well organised. It starts with the manager and on the training ground. That being said, doesn't help when you have an absolute turnip in goal. 

Yep, you hear a lot of ex-players talk about Big Sam's management style when he was at the top of his game, particularly his man-management ability. A lot of them speak about how they'd want to run through brick walls for him. Coaching isn't just tactics after all, you've got to bring a bunch of individuals together and turn them into a team that would run through brick walls for the coach and each other. The players have to do their part as well but I tend to feel like individual errors often seep into a team when the players have lost sight of what the gameplan is and as such their confidence in the head coach / manager starts to dwindle.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

Mark Hughes, sometimes certain managers suit certain clubs.

Imagine Hughes coming back to suddenly realize the sad truth of how this Club Circus is being run into the ground.

My God he would run a Mile!