Premier League 22-23

[Blue blood]

7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes I do. Everton need to back him with signings to stay up. I belief that Everton problems aren't just with the players or Lampard but the owner just throwing money at the problem but no proper plan from him

Agree with the second sentence. Totally the case. And can't remember the last good decision they made. 

First isn't correct though - a good manager doesn't need a ton of signings to stay up. 

Big Sam only added in Diouf to keep us up (and had some injury issues too as I recall.) 

Hughes did get 3 players in but 2 were for peanuts and the third (Savage) was injured for a good part of the run in. 

Neither needed to rely on signings to stay up. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Blue blood said:

Agree with the second sentence. Totally the case. And can't remember the last good decision they made. 

First isn't correct though - a good manager doesn't need a ton of signings to stay up. 

Big Sam only added in Diouf to keep us up (and had some injury issues too as I recall.) 

Hughes did get 3 players in but 2 were for peanuts and the third (Savage) was injured for a good part of the run in. 

Neither needed to rely on signings to stay up. 

I thought Sam brought Givet in also. Maybe I’m wrong with that ?

[Sweaty Gussets]

29 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I thought Sam brought Givet in also. Maybe I’m wrong with that ?

I think you're right. 

[Blue blood]

38 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I thought Sam brought Givet in also. Maybe I’m wrong with that ?

He did! Thanks for the correction. Loan with option to buy I think. 

Either way the point stands that he hardly spent his way out of trouble. 

[roversfan99]

What has Lampard ever done as a manager to make anyone think that simply more time will lead to any success?

(Watch them win tonight!)

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, K-Hod said:

They’ve got one, they don’t start him, then sub him on and then off in the same match….

He isn't good enough and I agree with the point that @Mashed Potatoesthat he is another one who is yesterday man living on past glories. He wasn't the right signing for them in the summer when they should have gone for Toney from Brentford as I suggested they should have done. 

Havertz is the main striker at the minute and he has done well so far but need help and support now

7 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Chelsea have just signed Fofana. Any football manager players in here will know this name - PROLIFIC 😄

I like Potter, I just think Chelsea are the wrong club for him. Can't blame him for taking it but you don't get the time there - it is instant success or out. It is a model that has worked for them but for Potter it could set him back a few years.

I think they need to stick with Potter and back their man with signings but also time and patience. 

I would also say they are going for new direction under Bohely, Vivell and Potter buying young exciting players and they need to allow those to gel and settle into the team. 

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Are they hoping to put some bets on?

I am talking about a striker who Chelsea need and would improve them and put less pressure on Havertz. 

[chaddyrovers]

10 hours ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

All his teams concede goals. Not what is required in a relegation battle.

'd be worried if I was an Everton fan and they don't sack him. 

Valid point

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Lampard needs time, Appleton needs time, Hirst needs time. We all wish you was our boss.

You seem very trigger happy wanting managers sack quickly and you don't allow them some time and opportunity to bring in players and improve things. I have listened to Talksport at 10pm when I been travelling to work and I have heard fans asking for Jones to sack at Southampton or Potter at Chelsea or Lampard at Everton. 

Everton's problems are much deeper than the manager and the fact that the owner is trigger happy and in 6 years as had 7 different managers/head coach plus 2 different Sporting Director plus incoherent transfer policy over those years. Maybe it time they actually stick with Lampard and allow him to build a team cos sacking managers over the last 6 years hasn't done them any favours has it?

2 hours ago, Blue blood said:

Agree with the second sentence. Totally the case. And can't remember the last good decision they made. 

First isn't correct though - a good manager doesn't need a ton of signings to stay up. 

Big Sam only added in Diouf to keep us up (and had some injury issues too as I recall.) 

Hughes did get 3 players in but 2 were for peanuts and the third (Savage) was injured for a good part of the run in. 

Neither needed to rely on signings to stay up. 

Fair points but I would say teams like Everton, Southampton, Leicester need signings to stay up like Everton need a goalscorer, Southampton need experience with a young squad and Leicester need a centre back and centre midfield. Whilst West Ham need to allow Moyes time to gel that squad after backing in with over 100 million on signings in the summer 

[roversfan99]

18 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

He isn't good enough and I agree with the point that @Mashed Potatoesthat he is another one who is yesterday man living on past glories. He wasn't the right signing for them in the summer when they should have gone for Toney from Brentford as I suggested they should have done. 

Havertz is the main striker at the minute and he has done well so far but need help and support now

I think they need to stick with Potter and back their man with signings but also time and patience. 

I would also say they are going for new direction under Bohely, Vivell and Potter buying young exciting players and they need to allow those to gel and settle into the team. 

I am talking about a striker who Chelsea need and would improve them and put less pressure on Havertz. 

He wont be much use if he gets a long suspension as expected for betting irregularities.

Even without them, Toney is a good Premier League striker but not one for a team with the aspirations of competing at the top. 

They have Nkunku coming but not until next season which is a bit odd.

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Valid point

You seem very trigger happy wanting managers sack quickly and you don't allow them some time and opportunity to bring in players and improve things. I have listened to Talksport at 10pm when I been travelling to work and I have heard fans asking for Jones to sack at Southampton or Potter at Chelsea or Lampard at Everton. 

Everton's problems are much deeper than the manager and the fact that the owner is trigger happy and in 6 years as had 7 different managers/head coach plus 2 different Sporting Director plus incoherent transfer policy over those years. Maybe it time they actually stick with Lampard and allow him to build a team cos sacking managers over the last 6 years hasn't done them any favours has it?

Fair points but I would say teams like Everton, Southampton, Leicester need signings to stay up like Everton need a goalscorer, Southampton need experience with a young squad and Leicester need a centre back and centre midfield. Whilst West Ham need to allow Moyes time to gel that squad after backing in with over 100 million on signings in the summer 

I am of the opinion that managers and players deserve more time only if they have shown enough to warrant that in the first place.

Why does Lampard deserve more time? He has been there for a while and they have got worse, not better, currently in the bottom 3 despite bringing in players that he wanted. 

[J*B]

Southampton about to announce Jason Wilcox as Director of Football. Vinjay was saying we should have done this about 5 years ago. Let’s see…

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He wont be much use if he gets a long suspension as expected for betting irregularities.

I don't the full story on this betting irregularities and if they are right. 

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Even without them, Toney is a good Premier League striker but not one for a team with the aspirations of competing at the top. 

They have Nkunku coming but not until next season which is a bit odd.

I think Toney would be good addition to those squad. 

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I am of the opinion that managers and players deserve more time only if they have shown enough to warrant that in the first place.

Why does Lampard deserve more time? He has been there for a while and they have got worse, not better, currently in the bottom 3 despite bringing in players that he wanted. 

I have outlined the problems at Everton and the fact the problems are bigger than Lampard and the players but the owner and his trigger approach to managers(similar to yours imo) and lack of coherent plan from him. They have wasted a lot of money over the last 6 years. Has the trigger approach to managers work or not? I would say its made it worst and the biggest problem at the club. 

The players are playing for him as tonight performance shows. 

[chaddyrovers]

12 minutes ago, J*B said:

Southampton about to announce Jason Wilcox as Director of Football. Vinjay was saying we should have done this about 5 years ago. Let’s see…

interesting move. Will be interesting to see how it goes for him. 

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

I don't the full story on this betting irregularities and if they are right. 

I think Toney would be good addition to those squad. 

I have outlined the problems at Everton and the fact the problems are bigger than Lampard and the players but the owner and his trigger approach to managers(similar to yours imo) and lack of coherent plan from him. They have wasted a lot of money over the last 6 years. Has the trigger approach to managers work or not? I would say its made it worst and the biggest problem at the club. 

The players are playing for him as tonight performance shows. 

Im not saying that Everton dont have other problems but they have a manager who if anything has overseen a slight decline in results and league position having been in charge for a decent period of time. Nothing about his managerial career says good manager.

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Im not saying that Everton dont have other problems but they have a manager who if anything has overseen a slight decline in results and league position having been in charge for a decent period of time. Nothing about his managerial career says good manager.

All the managers apart from Ancelotti have seen a declined in league position whilst spending millions and millions on players. 

Until you back and stick with a manager and give him a couple of seasons plus have a coherent transfer plan and policy you will keep going backwards. I would stick with Lampard for the rest of the season and that my opinion. 

 

[Mattyblue]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

All the managers apart from Ancelotti have seen a declined in league position whilst spending millions and millions on players. 

Until you back and stick with a manager and give him a couple of seasons plus have a coherent transfer plan and policy you will keep going backwards. I would stick with Lampard for the rest of the season and that my opinion. 

 

Since the start of November they’ve lost 6 and won 0 in 7 games.

You might be sanguine about them sleepwalking to relegation and financial calamity due to some strange adoration for ‘Lamps’, but with an enormous wage bill and an even bigger one for their new ground their board can’t be as flippant…

Edited January 6, 2023 by Mattyblue

[roverandout]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

He wont be much use if he gets a long suspension as expected for betting irregularities.

Even without them, Toney is a good Premier League striker but not one for a team with the aspirations of competing at the top. 

They have Nkunku coming but not until next season which is a bit odd.

I am of the opinion that managers and players deserve more time only if they have shown enough to warrant that in the first place.

Why does Lampard deserve more time? He has been there for a while and they have got worse, not better, currently in the bottom 3 despite bringing in players that he wanted. 

I think toney would thrive for a top 4 club. Hes got a bit of everything for a modern day striker. If he can score goals in a mediocre team like Brentford.  He'll bang them in for Chelsea 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, roverandout said:

I think toney would thrive for a top 4 club. Hes got a bit of everything for a modern day striker. If he can score goals in a mediocre team like Brentford.  He'll bang them in for Chelsea 

Putting his impending ban to one side. He is undoubtedly a good player but he really a top 4 striker and would you say that if he wasnt an England player? Haaland, Kane, Jesus etc being the benchmark, and for the crazy fee he would cost especially as an Englishman, you could probably get someone a level up if you looked hard enough.

[Upside Down]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Since the start of November they’ve lost 6 and won 0 in 7 games.

You might be sanguine about them sleepwalking to relegation and financial calamity due to some strange adoration for ‘Lamps’, but with an enormous wage bill and an even bigger one for their new ground their board can’t be as flippant…

Hopefully they are. I would love to see such 'big club' dissappear down the toilet.

[roverandout]

17 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Putting his impending ban to one side. He is undoubtedly a good player but he really a top 4 striker and would you say that if he wasnt an England player? Haaland, Kane, Jesus etc being the benchmark, and for the crazy fee he would cost especially as an Englishman, you could probably get someone a level up if you looked hard enough.

We'll never know until he's given a chance 

[chaddyrovers]

25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Putting his impending ban to one side. He is undoubtedly a good player but he really a top 4 striker and would you say that if he wasnt an England player? Haaland, Kane, Jesus etc being the benchmark, and for the crazy fee he would cost especially as an Englishman, you could probably get someone a level up if you looked hard enough.

He scores at Premier league level already. 24 goals in 49 PL games for mid table team. Sounds like he is good enough for top 6 team now

[roversfan99]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-frank-lampard-replacement-manager-28898945

Would be a good move by Everton.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Not really Prem news but apparently Roberto Martinez who did not a lot with a golden team with Belgium is in line to manage Portugal. It’s great work if you can get it !

[Mashed Potatoes]

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-frank-lampard-replacement-manager-28898945

Would be a good move by Everton.

Based on what they did to Sam Allardyce the moment Dyche had improved things the Everton fans would be demonstrating about the style of football.

[BlackburnEnd75]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Not really Prem news but apparently Roberto Martinez who did not a lot with a golden team with Belgium is in line to manage Portugal. It’s great work if you can get it !

Think the he wasted the golden generation narrative is a bit harsh. 

The golden generation was largely gone/ way past it this time around (although they should've got out of that group).

2018 they beat Brazil in the quarters and then got beat by  good France team in the semis. 

2016 was the real missed opportunity but that wasn't martinez it was wilmots in charge 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

32 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Based on what they did to Sam Allardyce the moment Dyche had improved things the Everton fans would be demonstrating about the style of football.

They’ve never really moved on from sacking Sam. That’s after having spent a large fortune with several managers.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

Think the he wasted the golden generation narrative is a bit harsh. 

The golden generation was largely gone/ way past it this time around (although they should've got out of that group).

2018 they beat Brazil in the quarters and then got beat by  good France team in the semis. 

2016 was the real missed opportunity but that wasn't martinez it was wilmots in charge 

I still think given the players he had to work with he underachieved.