Premier League 22-23

[Mashed Potatoes]

8 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Be honest other than a period in the 80s, Everton have never really been a 'successful club'.

That is simply not true. They have been champions 9 times and FA Cup winners 5 times.

[Mattyblue]

They were the more successful of the clubs in their city until a certain Bill Shankly emerged…

[chaddyrovers]

4 hours ago, ben_the_beast said:

The thing is Chaddy, every single person agrees that Everton lack leadership, have no plan and have wasted millions on ridiculous transfers. 

Until this is sorted out you could appoint any manager but no one is going to achieve much there. 

4 hours ago, ben_the_beast said:

What other posters are saying is that Lampard has failed to get the squad at his disposal performing. A squad which should be able to compete to an extent as there are some solid players there. That's why people are advocating Lampard deserved the sack.

They have plenty of managers including Ancelotti who is one of the best managers ever struggled to make much an impact on. Its now day 5 and they seen one signing who had a medical last week there gone elsewhere now Lampard has been sacked. 

The entire club is a mess there from top to bottom 

[Sweaty Gussets]

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

They have plenty of managers including Ancelotti

He did a lot better than Lampard which I think is the point....just as Mowbray did better than Coyle at a club that was a mess. 

[RoverDom]

Ancelotti got them to 8th didn't he? Its a low finish for a manager of his quality but if he underachieved he underachieverd a damn sight better than frank

[speeeeeeedie]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Until this is sorted out you could appoint any manager but no one is going to achieve much there. 

They have plenty of managers including Ancelotti who is one of the best managers ever struggled to make much an impact on. Its now day 5 and they seen one signing who had a medical last week there gone elsewhere now Lampard has been sacked. 

The entire club is a mess there from top to bottom 

Everton is a mess and Lampard is not good enough. Both can be true at the same time.

Ownership issues + bad manager = trouble. Rovers fans are all too aware of this calculation.

I struggle to understand your continued defence of Lampard. 

1 hour ago, RoverDom said:

Ancelotti got them to 8th didn't he? Its a low finish for a manager of his quality but if he underachieved he underachieverd a damn sight better than frank

They finished 10th in Ancelotti's only full season; BBC - Ancelotti leaves Everton

His win % was still better than the 5 previous managers at over 40%. In contrast, Lampard won 9 games giving him a less than 25% win rate. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

32 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said:

I struggle to understand your continued defence of Lampard. 

I haven't mentioned Lampard in my posts tho only others are doing so

[speeeeeeedie]

23 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I haven't mentioned Lampard in my posts tho only others are doing so

I'm not going to go back through your posts but you have defended Lampard over and over since he was appointed at Everton. I (others too) have continually pulled you up on it.

You've gone from explicitly stating that he was the man for the job, to give him time, and now that he's been fired your stance is that it's the club that's in a mess, therefore not Lampard's fault as nobody would do a good job. 

[rigger]

7 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

That is simply not true. They have been champions 9 times and FA Cup winners 5 times.

And have been in the top division for ever.

[Blue blood]

4 hours ago, speeeeeeedie said:

I'm not going to go back through your posts but you have defended Lampard over and over since he was appointed at Everton. I (others too) have continually pulled you up on it.

You've gone from explicitly stating that he was the man for the job, to give him time, and now that he's been fired your stance is that it's the club that's in a mess, therefore not Lampard's fault as nobody would do a good job. 

Mate, it's a wind up.There's hypocrisy all over the place, as you repeatedly state. Its utterly implausible that he doesn't know that's what he has been doing. 

Even the club being such a mess it impacts every manager, was a point I made about Rovers (and references Everton as another example) the other day, which wasn't recognised whatsoever. The goal posts shift constantly to piss people off. No other explanation for such inconsistencies. 

Back on topic - Everton are goosed with or without Lampard. 

[Aqualung]

[roverandout]

England's front 3 has to be rashford kane and saka.  Rashford has been sensational this season 

[DeeCee]

[davulsukur]

Dyche expected to be appointed Everton manager today.

[Mike E]

58 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Dyche expected to be appointed Everton manager today.

A perfect fit for both parties imo

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, Mike E said:

A perfect fit for both parties imo

For now.

Dyche will see Everton safe this season, after which it'll pan out in the same way that Allardyce panned out; decent league position, but never good enough for supporters with delusions of grandeur.

Like Allardyce, Dyche will always be tarred by the "unfashionable" brush. Once Everton stay up, their supporters will be looking to bin him off for the next fashionable manager at the earliest opportunity.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

18 minutes ago, goozburger said:

For now.

Dyche will see Everton safe this season, after which it'll pan out in the same way that Allardyce panned out; decent league position, but never good enough for supporters with delusions of grandeur.

Like Allardyce, Dyche will always be tarred by the "unfashionable" brush. Once Everton stay up, their supporters will be looking to bin him off for the next fashionable manager at the earliest opportunity.

He’ll have his hands full keeping them up but if they were to go down they’d be favourites to come straight back up.

[Norbert Rassragr]

I wonder how many of their players have clauses that reduce wages upon relegation? I imagine the squad has a lot of over paid mediocrity brought in by the various managers not getting a game.

[roversfan99]

Dyche would be a fantastic appointment.

[Sweaty Gussets]

[Exiled_Rover]

6 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He’ll have his hands full keeping them up but if they were to go down they’d be favourites to come straight back up.

They've just sold Gordon for £40m, so that's their transfer budget sorted for the Championship.

They'll piss the league.

[speeeeeeedie]

There are strong rumours that Caicedo is going to Arsenal from Brighton for a big fee. 

Gregg Broughton needs to do some research on how Brighton operate. They've made big money on players whilst also improving their league position over the past few seasons. They are doing something right.

[roverandout]

Why are Newcastle wasting 45 million pounds on Gordon? His stats are OK but he's going to be more of a ross Barkley than a wayne Rooney 

[simongarnerisgod]

3 hours ago, speeeeeeedie said:

There are strong rumours that Caicedo is going to Arsenal from Brighton for a big fee. 

Gregg Broughton needs to do some research on how Brighton operate. They've made big money on players whilst also improving their league position over the past few seasons. They are doing something right.

they are a very well run club,who have competent people in all the right places,we used to be run along the same lines,after six months of jdt and greg,i don`t think either of them are much use,add swag and the indians in the mix and it`s a toxic soup with the club destined to have a pne like existance,bouncing between the middle two divisions for eternity🥵

[chaddyrovers]

Anyone read the stories that Bielsa wouldn't take over as first team head coach until the summer but would work with the under 21 and academy players whilst an interim manager would take charge of the first team until the summer. Utter bizarre if the reports are true and you can see why they aren't going to appoint him there. Surprised that Everton didn't have a head coach lined up straight away after Lampard sacking. Still need a couple of attacking signings 

3 hours ago, roverandout said:

Why are Newcastle wasting 45 million pounds on Gordon? His stats are OK but he's going to be more of a ross Barkley than a wayne Rooney 

Think working under Eddie Howe there will help him develop and learn his game more. Seems like he wants out of Everton now