January Transfer Window.

[Penwortham Blue]

1 minute ago, vyeo said:

Doesn't gel that the dispute is over the terms of a permanent contract. Even if our amateurs did not know that it had to be sorted as part of the deal, surely Forest and O'Brien's legal team would know. I find it difficult to imagine that all three parties did not realise this, if it was a requirement. 

And if it's true that the player was unwilling to agree terms on the permanent contract, then the whole deal should have just been off - there couldn't even have been a submission. Either way, looks like we missed the boat. I can completely believe it being an administrative screw up somewhere.   

I have to agree, it all seems very odd. Whilst I can see O’Brien being happy to come and play competitive championship football, I just don’t see any circumstances under which he would have agreed to a permanent arrangement as he is probably only six months into a 3 / 4 year contract at Forest. He has the luxury of seeing the season out and then taking decisions then, on a no risk / just upside  basis

[Miller11]

I wish they’d just put us out of our misery one way or the other over this transfer debacle.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Mid table mediocrity it is then folks.

No backing,zero ambition...what a shit show

Edited February 1, 2023 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[islander200]

11 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

I wish they’d just put us out of our misery one way or the other over this transfer debacle.

Nixon saying Rovers haven't had an answer from the EFL yet 

[JHRover]

3 minutes ago, Shirley Crabtree Wrestler said:

Someone needs to say to Waggot, "OK Steve, tell us what you DO for your £300k a year?". 

What does he actually DO?

Provides an illusion of normality. That's all he was ever intended to do. 

The fact they didn't have a Chair/CEO/Board for 7 years before his arrival tells us there was never any intention to allow decisions to be made by people at Ewood.

They can't admit that power rests with Pasha, and need someone 'official' to handle the administration and media side of things and appear as though he is in control. It got uncomfortable for them when it was left with Cheston and he made a number of slip ups in the media and meetings. Then they wheeled Bob Coar out but his 'performance' in the consultation meeting only attracted increased heat, so they needed someone more competent in the bullshit stakes to fill the void.

On top of that he can justify his salary by 'saving' them money - a combination of gutting the club and screwing regular fans for every penny possible. Win win.

[Giant]

Surely the person responsible for this shit show is the chief executive, aka S. Waggot. Is it not his job to make sure that the admin side of the club is armed with the full details of how things are run? Also, have we not got what used to be called The Secretary”, whose job it is to sort out transfer paperwork? 

[rigger]

It's official on the Rovers site. Rovers ladies have signed a player

[Mercer]

11 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

I can't for the life of me accept that a championship football club, a premier league football club and a premier League player and agent, would not have known this detail to get the deal done.

All parties surely have access to well paid legal advice on these things.

Forest wouldn't care about any future contract between Rovers and O'Brien should he have become a permanent Rovers' player on promotion to PL - their only concern would have been the £10million fee and that being covered in the loan/transfer agreement.

Should Rovers have known about it - yes, should O'Brien have known about it, possibly not as that's what his representatives/advisors are paid to do.

Think it's important to recognise/understand the distinction between where a club has an OPTION to buy following a loan period and where a club is CONTRACTUALLY BOUND to buy following a loan period.

If you think about what O'Brien would earn as a PL player with Rovers, you are probably looking at a a financial commitment for Rovers approaching £20million (fee and wages) - Broughton and Waggott needed some smart legals involved. 

Edited February 1, 2023 by Mercer

[tomphil]

11 minutes ago, Shirley Crabtree Wrestler said:

Someone needs to say to Waggot, "OK Steve, tell us what you DO for your £300k a year?". 

What does he actually DO?

Works from home.

[bluebruce]

28 minutes ago, Angry_Pirate said:

Another huge problem I've not seen anywhere:

£10m IF promoted means Rovers would still have had to agree personal terms with O'Brien on that same hypothesis... that he would be £10m player signing a Premier League contract in the summer.

Rovers haven't negotiated a PL transfer for 11 years. Do you trust anyone (Waggott or Broughton) at our place to negotiate something as complex and expensive like that in a few hours.

You can't have this type of loan without the permanent transfered wage being agreed ahead of time. Otherwise what if Rovers just played the "I know we promised £10m, but we've tried, but Lewis just won't accept £10kpw, soz!" in the summer.

That'll have been the hold up, absolutely. Amateur hour.

I did mention it a few hours ago, nobody seemed to take me on. But there's a lot of posts in here lol, we can't read them all. Not whilst staying sane. But yeh I also think this could be the holdup. The club to club paperwork should have been in well before the deadline given when we heard the medical was, but the player's contract (presumably sent seperately) may have been finalised later as Rovers and the player's camp played brinkmanship with each other knowing the looming deadline would eventually force one side to blink. Just speculation until the club actually bothers to tell us something of course.

Edited February 1, 2023 by bluebruce

[ItsRoverZ]

4 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Works from home.

I would genuinely love to know what he does? I honestly believe anyone of us on this board could do the EXACT same job as he's doing right now 

[Penwortham Blue]

1 minute ago, ItsRoverZ said:

I would genuinely love to know what he does? I honestly believe anyone of us on this board could do the EXACT same job as he's doing right now 

And save the club £200k at the same time

[Exiled_Rover]

1 minute ago, Penwortham Blue said:

And save the club £200k at the same time

You can get buggered if you think I'm taking on the CEO job for a third of what Waggot has been paid for the last few years. 

[Gavrover]

It’s 5pm. It’s not happening. Have you ever seen a transfer agreed the next evening after a window shuts. Nope doesn’t happen. My guess is they’re just sat there trying to find out what the hell to put out PR wise 

[Trinidad Rover]

19 minutes ago, Shirley Crabtree Wrestler said:

Someone needs to say to Waggot, "OK Steve, tell us what you DO for your £300k a year?". 

What does he actually DO?

9-11: good morning Britain with Pasha

11-12: Facetime with Tony and Mark Venus

12 - 3: lunch. Probably on expenses

3-4: stand at the training ground in a raincoat or go to ewood and count how many shirts have been sold (cant be sold)

4-4.30: tell Pasha everything great and he's got a cunning plan to make loads of money

[Penwortham Blue]

Just now, Exiled_Rover said:

You can get buggered if you think I'm taking on the CEO job for a third of what Waggot has been paid for the last few years. 

Nor me but many would for £100k a year, not to be sniffed at.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

The deal won’t have fallen apart due to not understanding the need for a permanent contract. It will simply be down to how long it took to draw up and submit. The fact that we ended up submitting it but it’s taking nearly a full day for the EFL to consider clearly suggests that it’s coming down to seconds either side of the deadline. 

[bluebruce]

3 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

I'd back the fans to have a better idea of running the Club than these present incumbent Clowns in charge....have a laugh at that!

I'm supremely confident, in all seriousness, that I and numerous other posters on this board could do a better job as CEO than Waggott. At least in terms of strategic decisions etc (obviously we'd need a bit of catching up on how specifics at the club work, SOPs if they even have any, compliance requirements and so on). Although not sure I'd last long before being fired for giving the V's to the V's!

[arbitro]

Whichever way this goes it reeks of incompetence. Surely somebody should have known (or at the very least checked) prior to the loan and potential fee being agreed. It kind of sums up the last twelve years to me after the lunatics took over the asylum. It looks on the face of it that Broughton's halo has slipped here although we probably will never find out who was responsible. As DoF he owes it to us to tell the truth.

And in the whole sad process what about Lewis O'Brien? He was probably looking forward to playing some Championship football for half a season to get his career back on track but now could be festering back in Nottingham.

It's poor and completely unacceptable.

 

 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

11 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

Nor me but many would for £100k a year, not to be sniffed at.

Many fans would give Blood,Sweat and Tears for the opportunity.Heart and Soul into the job 24/7.

Edited February 1, 2023 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[Exiled_Rover]

7 minutes ago, Gavrover said:

It’s 5pm. It’s not happening. Have you ever seen a transfer agreed the next evening after a window shuts. Nope doesn’t happen. My guess is they’re just sat there trying to find out what the hell to put out PR wise 

"Erm, here's our new signing, some kid from Rochdale".

[bluebruce]

6 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

You can get buggered if you think I'm taking on the CEO job for a third of what Waggot has been paid for the last few years. 

I'd do it for as little as 50k in the first year tbh if pushed, rising signficantly if they're happy with me (well, I would if we had owners capable of assessing that...). It's a lot more than I'm bringing in now...

[arbitro]

2 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

I'm supremely confident, in all seriousness, that I and numerous other posters on this board could do a better job as CEO than Waggott. At least in terms of strategic decisions etc (obviously we'd need a bit of catching up on how specifics at the club work, SOPs if they even have any, compliance requirements and so on). Although not sure I'd last long before being fired for giving the V's to the V's!

I've said for ages that I personally know several posters on this board who would do a far better job than Swag and for less money. And their main credential is simple - they actually give a fuck.

[matt83]

All this is definitely rovers fault. I’d put bloody good money on it. They’re a bloody shambles normally day to day and they particularly excel in their general incompetence during the January transfer window.

[RoverKyle]

Anyone signed up to Nixon's Patreon? He appears to have posted a timeline of the O'Brien deal on that.