v Bristol City (a) - 21/1/23

[bluebruce]

29 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

id`e rather have butterworth over vale,at least he runs about like a madman and puts himself about,he might be knackered after 30 minutes but at least he does work

Butterworth put in several very lazy performances last season, so I can't agree that he runs around like a madman.

Edited January 21, 2023 by bluebruce

[Oldgregg86]

Who was that , that let the city striker waltz past him before kaminski made his balls up.

I agree on the bitter worth comment , he would offer far more than vale, it’s not even close whose the better of the two.

I’m going to Watford in a couple of weeks, it’s going to be another long afternoon isn’t it 😅

Edited January 21, 2023 by Oldgregg86

[AllRoverAsia]

4 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Butterworth put in several very lazy performances last season, so I can't agree that he runs around like a madman.

I watched him recently against Peterborough, he was as poor as Vale was today, subbed off quite early.

[booth]

1 minute ago, AllRoverAsia said:

I watched him recently against Peterborough, he was as poor as Vale was today, subbed off quite early.

It makes me laugh how players become superstars when we can’t select them.

Butterworth, Vale and Gallagher are all bad players.

It reminds me of when we had the choice between Ward or Blake 😩

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

6 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Who was that , that let the city striker waltz past him before kaminski made his balls up.

I agree on the bitter worth comment , he would offer far more than vale, it’s not even close whose the better of the two.

I’m going to Watford in a couple of weeks, it’s going to be another long afternoon isn’t it 😅

Butterworth put in some pathetic performances last year. Nowhere near up to it. Both will end up at a similar level to Joe Nuttall in a couple of years.

[Exiled_Rover]

2 minutes ago, booth said:

It makes me laugh how players become superstars when we can’t select them.

Butterworth, Vale and Gallagher are all bad players.

It reminds me of when we had the choice between Ward or Blake 😩

Only one of those three is on big wages though - thanks Tony.

[DE.]

1 minute ago, booth said:

It makes me laugh how players become superstars when we can’t select them.

Butterworth, Vale and Gallagher are all bad players.

It reminds me of when we had the choice between Ward or Blake 😩

Yep, the unfortunate truth is that BBD is the only remotely decent striker we have at the club, and not only is he hugely off form at the moment but may also be gone by the end of the month. The rest are well below the required standard, so we had better hope this Undav fella, if we are signing him, can hit the ground running and stay injury free. 

[Gav]

Brereton has bagged around 9 league goals this season and I think Gallagher has 5.

If Gallagher had 9 would he be a good striker? He offers more to the team than Diaz, no doubt about that.

He needs to score more goals, I’m not sure he has in his armoury, but he’s far from the main problem with this threadbare squad.

[Exiled_Rover]

24 minutes ago, DE. said:

Yep, the unfortunate truth is that BBD is the only remotely decent striker we have at the club, and not only is he hugely off form at the moment but may also be gone by the end of the month. The rest are well below the required standard, so we had better hope this Undav fella, if we are signing him, can hit the ground running and stay injury free. 

 I hope to god Brereton-Diaz isn't here at the end of January.

[booth]

7 minutes ago, Gav said:

Brereton has bagged around 9 league goals this season and I think Gallagher has 5.

If Gallagher had 9 would he be a good striker? He offers more to the team than Diaz, no doubt about that.

He needs to score more goals, I’m not sure he has in his armoury, but he’s far from the main problem with this threadbare squad.

He’s been here since 2019 and in most of the games I’ve watched, he’s offered little, and at worst been a total bystander. This year he’s contributed more defensively but he’s still an awful player. He deserved to be dropped after Rotherham.

He won’t score more goals. He doesn’t offer more than Brereton. He’s never had a defence on the back foot, he’s never troubled a CB with his ability.

No one is saying he’s the main problem with the team, but if he’s our best option for goals, then that’s a massive problem in a game that’s about scoring goals.

[G Somerset Rover]

33 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Who was that , that let the city striker waltz past him before kaminski made his balls up?

Morton I believe. P*ssed me off big time watching that back too. Was like a 6 year old prodding a leg out.

[Exiled_Rover]

12 minutes ago, Gav said:

Brereton has bagged around 9 league goals this season and I think Gallagher has 5.

If Gallagher had 9 would he be a good striker? He offers more to the team than Diaz, no doubt about that.

He needs to score more goals, I’m not sure he has in his armoury, but he’s far from the main problem with this threadbare squad.

Brereton-Diaz hasn't scored since the start of November... so basically the same contribution as Gallagher. Neither is sustainable if you want to be a playoff team.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 minute ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Morton I believe. P*ssed me off big time watching that back too. Was like a 6 year old prodding a leg out.

Yeah it was Morton - he doesn't go in for 50:50s. Soft.

[Gav]

5 minutes ago, booth said:

He’s been here since 2019 and in most of the games I’ve watched, he’s offered little, and at worst been a total bystander. This year he’s contributed more defensively but he’s still an awful player. He deserved to be dropped after Rotherham.

He won’t score more goals. He doesn’t offer more than Brereton. He’s never had a defence on the back foot, he’s never troubled a CB with his ability.

No one is saying he’s the main problem with the team, but if he’s our best option for goals, then that’s a massive problem in a game that’s about scoring goals.

He’s not our best option for goals that’s Diaz and before him Armstrong, but his all round contribution makes him a great player to have in the ranks, a managers dream.

Just imagine where we’d be right now without Diaz and Gallagher, the wages are irrelevant for me, both don’t earn as much Rhodes was getting and we all know the hardest position on pitch to fill is goal scorer. 

[roversfan99]

He is clearly useful well above the likes of Vale, Hirst and Butterworth and will chip in with close to double figures but would his all round contribution be considered a managers dream? He works hard but he has a poor touch, jumps lower than he stands, cant hold the ball up and he misses loads of games due to injury.

[Exiled_Rover]

56 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Butterworth put in several very lazy performances last season, so I can't agree that he runs around like a madman.

You wouldn't think Butterworth and Vale had come through the Academy (i.e. had some passion for the club) and were playing for their professional futures.

The bare minimum you expect from a footballer is 100% effort. If they're not talented enough then you still respect that they've tried. Neither Butterworth or Vale look like they want to be there - and both will find themselves out of football and / or in the lower leagues very shortly.

[booth]

21 minutes ago, Gav said:

He’s not our best option for goals that’s Diaz and before him Armstrong, but his all round contribution makes him a great player to have in the ranks, a managers dream.

Just imagine where we’d be right now without Diaz and Gallagher, the wages are irrelevant for me, both don’t earn as much Rhodes was getting and we all know the hardest position on pitch to fill is goal scorer. 

Blimey Gav, a managers dream? Great player?

I don't know how you can be so vehement about Venkys then set your sights so low. He's not good enough.

Gallagher has scored 3 league goals this season by the way. Travis is one goal away from equalling him.

If you compare it to other teams around us the difference is an extra goal from all the other contributing players, and their second top scorer having twice as many goals as Gallagher, or having almost as many as their top scorer, or joint top goalscorer.

Sheffield United are massively ahead but Burnley have three players banging them in regularly and three players chipping in with 14 goals between them. It's easy to see why they are the best team. Goals win games.

So I'd say Gallagher is a massive problem. Big wages for little return. Swap Gallagher for a good goalscorer and the future may look rosier.

On a positive note, Dack all things considered, is doing really well.


 

Edited January 21, 2023 by booth

[Gav]

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He is clearly useful well above the likes of Vale, Hirst and Butterworth and will chip in with close to double figures but would his all round contribution be considered a managers dream? He works hard but he has a poor touch, jumps lower than he stands, cant hold the ball up and he misses loads of games due to injury.

His defensive qualities are arguably his best attribute, hardly misses a header when defending from a corner if you watch. But the bottom line is he’s paid to score goals and he’s doesn’t get enough, but he’s the 2nd best attacking player on the books with no signs of money to replace him. 

Edited January 21, 2023 by Gav

[booth]

3 minutes ago, Gav said:

His defensive qualities are arguably his best attribute, hardly misses a header when defending from a corner if you watch. But the bottom line is he’s paid to score goals and he’s doesn’t get enough, but he’s the 2nd best attacking player on the books with no signs of money to replace him. 

That's not true for this season. He's on equal goals with Dolan, Szmodics and after today's goal, Dack.

I fully expect Dack to score more goals than him this season if he can stay fit.

[Gav]

4 minutes ago, booth said:

That's not true for this season. He's on equal goals with Dolan, Szmodics and after today's goal, Dack.

I fully expect Dack to score more goals than him this season if he can stay fit.

Those players don’t play the Diaz or Gally role Booth.

[booth]

4 minutes ago, Gav said:

Those players don’t play the Diaz or Gally role Booth.

You're right. Going off goals in all competitions, they actually do it better.

[Fraserkirky]

Forgot to mention, after a bit of a torrid first 15 mins, thought JRC had a good game especially second half. Working out okay there filling in for Britain

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

49 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Yeah it was Morton - he doesn't go in for 50:50s. Soft.

If that would have been me the captain would have had me by the throat. Pathetic half  hearted attempt at nothing. Some managers would have subbed him after that.

[alcd]

50 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Morton I believe. P*ssed me off big time watching that back too. Was like a 6 year old prodding a leg out.

Morton has cost us several goals with hid half-arsed attempts at defending. 

[booth]

1 minute ago, alcd said:

Morton has cost us several goals with hid half-arsed attempts at defending. 

I blame Morton over Kaminski. That shot should have never happened.

It sums our players up. He does good work for our goal but then switches off at a crucial moment.