Appeal to EFL

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1 hour ago, Cuppliance said:

I understand the standpoint of wanting GB to resign. However, after a long period of time of finger pointing within the club, I am glad that we finally have someone who is willing to take responsibility. I would much rather he own his mistakes as that to me shows that he willing to learn from them and improve.

Do we really expect a Director of Football to be learning from his mistakes as seemingly basic as this? Is he an intern? An apprentice? Or a Director of Football being paid a salary most of us could only dream of?

We seem to live in an era where a hollow taking of responsibility, usually in the form of a speech about "the buck stops with me", allows them to survive their own incompetence or even dishonesty. There is usually little to nothing to ever justify their survival thereafter.

On that basis, did Broughton not say that the communication aspect of the deadline day saga should have been handled better? So, why has there yet again been no update from the club, even to just say "we are still waiting for a decision"? Believe it or not, I'm actually not that bothered about communication because I find it all bullsh*t and I'm only bothered about actions, but if Broughton is making his "communication should be better" bed, then he's certainly not lying in it.

Just get shut of him and appoint somebody competent at the job... Umm, well that's what a normal club would do, at least.

[bluebruce]

19 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Competence? 

underwhelmed? 

 

So would you say you're overwhelmed by his two windows so far? Or simply whelmed?

[bluebruce]

36 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

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We Youssou N'Dour-ed the Brierley deal. 

7 seconds away......

First time I've seen it explicitly stated that the appeal is also for the Brierley deal. I hope these are two separate appeals, as the Brierley one really doesn't matter, and bundling them together into one outcome might harm the chances.

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Yes. The main barometer of judging him comes down to how competent he is, rather than how ambitious he is or how well he talks.

Underwhelmed so far, yes. His 2 transfer windows thus far have not been a great success.

He has made some good signings like Briitain, Hyam and Thomas but some poor ones like Hirst and Mola plus the lack of striker signing in January wasn't good enough, but GB took full responsibility for it and the Lewis O'Brien saga despite it not being his fault he still take it and given his comments will look the transfer process in the future. 

4 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

So would you say you're overwhelmed by his two windows so far? Or simply whelmed?

I would say Mixed windows. Brittain and Hyam good signings, Szmodics and Morton been decent, Hirst and Mola very poor

January, Thomas good signing but the lack of striker signing was very poor by the club

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

He has made some good signings like Briitain, Hyam and Thomas but some poor ones like Hirst and Mola plus the lack of striker signing in January wasn't good enough, but GB took full responsibility for it and the Lewis O'Brien saga despite it not being his fault he still take it and given his comments will look the transfer process in the future. 

I would say Mixed windows. Brittain and Hyam good signings, Szmodics and Morton been decent, Hirst and Mola very poor

January, Thomas good signing but the lack of striker signing was very poor by the club

Underwhelmed so far, based on actual actions, as I said. Hyam good, Brittain unfortunately always injured, Szmodics overpriced squad player, Morton crap, Hirst and Mola woeful, Thomas I am optimistic about but just through the door. Fucked up the O'Brien deal, failed to get a striker.

Communication and taking responsibility is all well and good but I judge on actions. "Will look at it in the future" doesn't pacify me.

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Underwhelmed so far, based on actual actions, as I said. Hyam good, Brittain unfortunately always injured, Szmodics overpriced squad player, Morton crap, Hirst and Mola woeful, Thomas I am optimistic about but just through the door. Fucked up the O'Brien deal, failed to get a striker.

Communication and taking responsibility is all well and good but I judge on actions. "Will look at it in the future" doesn't pacify me.

How is GB at fault for O'Brien deal when it Club administration problem which isn't his area but the Club secretary area of expertise? please explain? 

Have to disagree on Smozdics and Morton comments. Been more than decent this season.  

[roversfan99]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

How is GB at fault for O'Brien deal when it Club administration problem which isn't his area but the Club secretary area of expertise? please explain? 

Have to disagree on Smozdics and Morton comments. Been more than decent this season.  

He himself took responsibility for it, but either way, he didn't sign, so I am judging on the 7 he has signed and subsequently the positions we are left lacking in, which include central midfield in terms of quality.

Do you think Szmodics is worth nearly £2m as a squad player?

[smiller14]

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

How is GB at fault for O'Brien deal when it Club administration problem which isn't his area but the Club secretary area of expertise? please explain? 

Have to disagree on Smozdics and Morton comments. Been more than decent this season.  

We don't fully know the issue and where the fault lies, but he has taken responsibility. I actually admire that, good to see the buck stops with someone. JDT was very obviously angry about the lack of striker - that would lie much closer to GB and JDT's very public comments. 

I would put Szmodics and Morton in the 'alright' category - I think Szmodics was overpriced. Brittain has been good (when fit), Hyam a top buy and I am very optimistic about Thomas.

I am cautiously optimistic about GB, and hope the failings in January (wherever the fault lies) are more than rectified in summer. Simple signing a striker will be insufficient as we also need to replace BBD and potentially Thomas if he returns to Huddersfield. 

Edited February 14, 2023 by smiller14

[roversfan99]

I am also giving Broughton the benefit of the doubt and no blame in regards to the farcical Brereton situation, allowing him to run his deal down. That like Rothwell is clearly a decision above his head.

[phili]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I am also giving Broughton the benefit of the doubt and no blame in regards to the farcical Brereton situation, allowing him to run his deal down. That like Rothwell is clearly a decision above his head.

I think behind the scenes he has done a lot. Transfers are just one area he is responsible for.

But he has managed to have most of the training gear and tech upgraded, upgrade medical department and gear, expanded analytics side and scouting and he is improving a lot of things at the academy. For once since our relegation or probably since Sam's sacking we are investing and replacing on things we should be doing. So I see a lot of positives from his appointment.

It's just the January window was very poor. It just looks like the evening of the 30th of January, Venky's gave them a bit more cash and they unfortunately couldn't get things sorted. I think if there is a repeat of this then it's probably time for a change.

I think we really need to change club secretary however as this is not the first time he has come up short. 

[roversfan99]

9 minutes ago, phili said:

I think behind the scenes he has done a lot. Transfers are just one area he is responsible for.

But he has managed to have most of the training gear and tech upgraded, upgrade medical department and gear, expanded analytics side and scouting and he is improving a lot of things at the academy. For once since our relegation or probably since Sam's sacking we are investing and replacing on things we should be doing. So I see a lot of positives from his appointment.

It's just the January window was very poor. It just looks like the evening of the 30th of January, Venky's gave them a bit more cash and they unfortunately couldn't get things sorted. I think if there is a repeat of this then it's probably time for a change.

I think we really need to change club secretary however as this is not the first time he has come up short. 

I think with technology and analytics, it seems that has been ongoing pre Broughton. There were numerous interviews in which Mowbray mentioned new things in that regard to analyse performance.

[Devon Rover]

10 minutes ago, phili said:

I think behind the scenes he has done a lot. Transfers are just one area he is responsible for.

But he has managed to have most of the training gear and tech upgraded, upgrade medical department and gear, expanded analytics side and scouting and he is improving a lot of things at the academy. For once since our relegation or probably since Sam's sacking we are investing and replacing on things we should be doing. So I see a lot of positives from his appointment.

It's just the January window was very poor. It just looks like the evening of the 30th of January, Venky's gave them a bit more cash and they unfortunately couldn't get things sorted. I think if there is a repeat of this then it's probably time for a change.

I think we really need to change club secretary however as this is not the first time he has come up short. 

While I'm inclined to agree with you that some things have moved on, there is a danger here of suggesting our director of football, and his colleagues, has done a lot right, except in regard to the footballers, or the football pitch/stadium.

[Exiled_Rover]

36 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He himself took responsibility for it, but either way, he didn't sign, so I am judging on the 7 he has signed and subsequently the positions we are left lacking in, which include central midfield in terms of quality.

Do you think Szmodics is worth nearly £2m as a squad player?

We've no idea what Szmodics cost, but yes he's a very useful player to have around.

[Exiled_Rover]

8 minutes ago, Devon Rover said:

While I'm inclined to agree with you that some things have moved on, there is a danger here of suggesting our director of football, and his colleagues, has done a lot right, except in regard to the footballers, or the football pitch/stadium.

I'd argue Brittain and Hyam are significantly better than the players they replaced.

I like Szmodics, but I'm not going to die on that hill.

Morton has regressed as the season has gone on, but he's been 'fine' and has provided quality depth if nothing else - I hope he's phased out now for our own players.

Hirst and Mola haven't worked out, but both were last minute loan deals - I feel like Broughton et al took a chance on them based on their impressive youth records. 

Thomas provides pace, power and directness - something we've lacked.

 

Now has Broughton done ENOUGH on the transfer front? No, not for me - we needed a striker and he's failed to bring one in, but I can't dismiss the rest of his business because I'm frustrated at this failure. 

[roversfan99]

Hyam is the stand out, I don't think he is "significantly" better than Lenihan who he replaced and is currently a key player in a high flying Boro side, judgement call and I would opt for Hyam personally.

Brittain has been fine, I don't think he has been brilliant and you have to consider his injuries, but I am happy with him playing hopefully a much bigger part of things to come.

20 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

We've no idea what Szmodics cost, but yes he's a very useful player to have around.

Rich Sharpe reported the fee as £1.7m. Obviously not gospel, but worth mentioning. A big fee for a squad player.

He is no more than a squad player and in a position where Dack is a lot better and Buckley has also been moved back to accomodate. The money could have been used on a good central midfielder rather than having to try and convert Buckley into one, or a striker. Szmodics can't really play anywhere else either.

[RoversClitheroe]

15 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Rich Sharpe reported the fee as £1.7m. Obviously not gospel, but worth mentioning. A big fee for a squad player.

He is no more than a squad player and in a position where Dack is a lot better and Buckley has also been moved back to accomodate. The money could have been used on a good central midfielder rather than having to try and convert Buckley into one, or a striker. Szmodics can't really play anywhere else either.

Amen, absolute waste of money.

[Roverthechimp]

15 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Amen, absolute waste of money.

I think there was a genuine fear that Dack might have in worse shape than he is. Losing Rothwell as well meant it was a reasonable signing but, with hindsight,  perhaps a little overpriced given his role now. But if wages are reasonable then it is an ok signing imo

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

He himself took responsibility for it, but either way, he didn't sign, so I am judging on the 7 he has signed and subsequently the positions we are left lacking in, which include central midfield in terms of quality.

Do you think Szmodics is worth nearly £2m as a squad player?

 GB isn't at fault for the Paperwork so hopefully that situation doesn't happen again. I would like to see a change in the club secretary role. 

Szmodics is good squad player to have around and I do wonder if he hadn't got injured how much more he had played here. maybe next season he might not just a squad player but regular starter, who knows. I don't know what the fee was. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

I think with technology and analytics, it seems that has been ongoing pre Broughton. There were numerous interviews in which Mowbray mentioned new things in that regard to analyse performance.

But has Phill said he has improve and upgraded areas of the club that we don't see as fans like medical department or training equipment or improving the academy facilities. People focus shouldn't just be on recruitment IMO but on all just 6 areas he is charge of. 

45 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 

. The money could have been used on a good central midfielder rather than having to try and convert Buckley into one, or a striker. Szmodics can't really play anywhere else either.

Buckley is a centre midfield player by trade. 

[roversfan99]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 GB isn't at fault for the Paperwork so hopefully that situation doesn't happen again. I would like to see a change in the club secretary role. 

Szmodics is good squad player to have around and I do wonder if he hadn't got injured how much more he had played here. maybe next season he might not just a squad player but regular starter, who knows. I don't know what the fee was. 

But has Phill said he has improve and upgraded areas of the club that we don't see as fans like medical department or training equipment or improving the academy facilities. People focus shouldn't just be on recruitment IMO but on all just 6 areas he is charge of. 

Buckley is a centre midfield player by trade. 

We can only judge on what we can see, and I have yet to be impressed.

Buckley was another that has gone backwards under Tomasson and does not suit playing so deep. Presumably "by trade" you mean with the kids which is not the same.

[BRFC4EVA]

So when do we get an answer to this farce?!

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We can only judge on what we can see, and I have yet to be impressed.

No we should judge on all 6 areas he is charge on. 

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Buckley was another that has gone backwards under Tomasson and does not suit playing so deep. Presumably "by trade" you mean with the kids which is not the same.

I wouldn't say he gone backwards but he was out of form and rightly dropped like players should be. He has some good performances since coming back into the team. 

You seem to have a really downer on youth football considering you don't go watch them. Buckley has always played centre midfield or right wing back when coming through the youth system when I seen him play

[AllRoverAsia]

7 minutes ago, BRFC4EVA said:

So when do we get an answer to this farce?!

Todays Nottingham Post: "There is no specific timescale for an outcome being reached, however, with the (EFL) governing body dealing with such situations (at Board level) on a case by case basis."

So, could be today, next week, whenever.

[toogs]

34 minutes ago, BRFC4EVA said:

So when do we get an answer to this farce?!

Yep - we've moved into farce territory. Much like football in general in many ways these days.

For a multi million pound industry, Football administration seems amatureish at best.

[BigBar]

So go be clear, some feel that GB deserves credit for owning up to a fuck up that he was a part of and should almost be praised for it? Not sure I agree. Yes, football is flooded with shady, scummy characters but this was far from a noble act. Can't afford such errors at this level.

[simongarnerisgod]

i feel sorry for o`brien,we have royally messed him about