Championship 23/24

[Waggy76]

19 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

We're at our peak now IMO and it's unlikely to get better from here. The squad, the players, the manager are maxed out and with difficult fixtures coming thick and fast, there's no respite in this league.

 

Probably right , plus we will no doubt be weaker by the end of January ...

Venkys will be hoping to cut the playing staff again...

[1874]

7 hours ago, rigger said:

-4 points,is that all, weren't we approaching our peak this time last season. Therefore if we avoid a disastrous run like last season, we should improve on our finishing position.

Rovers are now +2 goal difference and -4 points from corresponding fixtures last season.

It is not dependent on the stage of the season only results v same opponents so for yesterday 3-1 v Sheff Wed is only minus 1 goal difference to last season 1-0 v Wigan no points gained or lost.

4-2 v Brum. Last season 2-1  so plus 1 goal difference no points gained or lost.

We are -7pts at home and + 3 away

Edited December 3, 2023 by 1874

[rigger]

19 minutes ago, 1874 said:

Rovers are now +2 goal difference and -4 points from corresponding fixtures last season.

It is not dependent on the stage of the season only results v same opponents so for yesterday 3-1 v Sheff Wed is only minus 1 goal difference to last season 1-0 v Wigan no points gained or lost.

4-2 v Brum. Last season 2-1  so plus 1 goal difference no points gained or lost.

We are -7pts at home and + 3 away

Ah, now I understand !

[Upside Down]

7 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It’d snatch your hand off if you offered for us to be where we are now in May.

I wouldn't.

Under venkys the playoffs are the absolute minimum I will accept. Anything less is complete failure.

Standards are important.

[rigger]

9 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It’d snatch your hand off if you offered for us to be where we are now in May.

Unless you mean, still being in the FA cup, I wouldn't.

[Polky]

 

[roversfan99]

Not surprised that Mowbray has been sacked with the set up there but I do think its quite harsh.

He has done a good job, to get them into the play offs last season was a good achievement. The manager has little autonomy there and they seem keen to strip away any experience and have lumbered him with loads of random signings from abroad, the majority of whom are crap. It seems to be the way forward, data obsessed analysts helping to assemble young, technical squads with lots of gambles but not much glueing it together.

It does seem similar to when he left here. He is a 3 or a 4 on a dice. To get promoted you need a 5 or 6 with a team like at Rovers or Sunderland. We rolled our dice successfully but the benefits of us upgrading the manager are offset by the accompaniment of severe budget cuts. They dont seem to have owners that are so disinterested and hell bent on cost cutting but it remains to seen where they will pluck the new manager from. That being said, they are in a good position in a poor league to take a gamble and build on the foundations set by Mowbray.

[Mattyblue]

Notoriously fickle lot on their forum but they aren’t happy about it on the whole…

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/mogga-gone.1621061/

[Gav]

Jesus, got then into the play offs last season and a record almost identical to JDT’s this, what more could he be doing?

[simongarnerisgod]

knowing sunderlands history the next manager will be a complete disaster!!!!!!!!!

[Dreams of 1995]

The time we gave Mowbray was always bizarre, both considering our history of hiring / firing and the average time managers have in football these days

It is a cut throat business really. Time will tell with us whether it was a one off, or whether we do have owners who are patient (or disinterested)

Sunderland fans and their board crave success. He was never going to last. In all of Mowbray's jobs he has had terrible runs of defeats. For me, it speaks to his inability to rouse a dressing room

When you compare him to the likes of JDT, it is chalk and cheese. The positivity and general spirit of JDT shines in every moment you see him. Whilst you can imagine he "lets the boys know", such as after Sheff Weds, I bet the next day in training was like a new start. Mowbray on the other hand...not exactly inspiring

Edited December 4, 2023 by Dreams of 1995

[Norbert Rassragr]

I'm half expecting a foreign manager no one has heard of, or maybe Eustace.

The BBC website is full of messages calling him a decent bloke etc.

[Penwortham Blue]

3 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

The time we gave Mowbray was always bizarre, both considering our history of hiring / firing and the average time managers have in football these days

It is a cut throat business really. Time will tell with us whether it was a one off, or whether we do have owners who are patient (or disinterested)

Sunderland fans and their board crave success. He was never going to last. In all of Mowbray's jobs he has had terrible runs of defeats. For me, it speaks to his inability to rouse a dressing room

When you compare him to the likes of JDT, it is chalk and cheese. The positivity and general spirit of JDT shines in every moment you see him. Whilst you can imagine he "lets the boys know", such as after Sheff Weds, I bet the next day in training was like a new start. Mowbray on the other hand...not exactly inspiring

I don’t think he did a bad job up there but he was lucky to get the local gig in the first place and no doubt walks with a big cheque. 

[danger19_80]

They'll probably come in for JDT knowing our luck

[frosty]

Was probably always going to happen whenever they hit a bad run - they were strongly linked with Farioli, now at Nice, back in the summer. But I think there was a bit of a fan backlash about Mowbray potentially leaving. The owners must be pretty ambitious though, clear in the type of coach they want and fans should be encouraged they identified Farioli (2nd with Nice, only lost once and conceded five goals all season).

Edited December 4, 2023 by frosty

[Upside Down]

That's what a club with ambition does.

Got what they needed from Mowbray and then binned him off just as one of his famous death spirals was beginning.

Only at this club, where they have gone on record as saying they have absolutely no ambition at all, would a dolloper like Mowbray get 5 years to achieve absolutely fucking nothing.

[JHRover]

A decision. Might be a good one, might be an indifferent one, might be a bad one, but at least they've an owner and board reacting to results and performances in pursuit of something rather than tumbleweed Ewood.

He was always very fortunate at Ewood to be blessed with healthy financial backing for much of his tenure with zero pressure to deliver on the pitch and the ability to run his contract down with nothing coming from upstairs. He was never going to get that elsewhere.

Looking at it objectively he inherited an upwardly mobile side put together and promoted from League One before his arrival. He rode the crest of the wave last season and got to the play-offs, this season they have been typical Mowbray-eque. A good run left them 4th recently and they've now won 2 in 9 to slip into mid-table. They'd just carry on with that over the rest of the season and end up 7th-10th at the end of it as we often were.

It will be interesting to see what he does next. Given his apparent weariness and feeling hard done to at the 90 minute drive down from Teesside to Brockhall and having lost the Sunderland job his Championship options are thin on the ground unless he's now happy to drive for hours on end to his next one. To be fair he'd be ideal for quite a few Championship clubs like Preston or Huddersfield, probably keep them up and implement a 'nice style'.

[tomphil]

Harsh looking at it from the outside but it was always going to happen sooner rather than later.

Once the shine of the new voice new manager bounce had worn off the first bad spell he was always destined to be a goner they've sussed him out. Poor football this season compared to last and absolutely no plan B seems to be the common theme in the comments.

Iv'e heard from someone up there that they weren't impressed with some of his desired targets in Jan and he wasn't impressed at being told he'd get what he was given.  Sounds plausible seeing as although they are in a death spiral overall they weren't doing that badly.

Not going to lie though i have a wry smile after his barbed comments and attitude in his last few seasons here, feck him.

He'll still make a decent gaffer for a club who wants to plod but he can't captain no tanker.

[philipl]

Stunned by Mowbray sacking.

Dack must be feeling stranded.

[Silas]

15 minutes ago, philipl said:

Stunned by Mowbray sacking.

Dack must be feeling stranded.

Genuinely not looking to stick the boot into Dack, but his signing probably contributed to the sacking.

You bring someone in from your old club that you worked with for years, that you should have the inside scoop on.

And then it goes.....how it's gone. 

Not a good look.

And I'm genuinely gutted how Dack's career has nosedived after 2 bad injuries. He was so close to the top. 

Bad decision from Mowbray though. 

[Mercer]

Sunderland appointed Mowbray because they needed someone to steady the ship and make sure they didn't go straight back down.  He did that and exceeded expectations taking them to the play-offs and making it extremely difficult for them to sack him at the end of last season. 

This season has been typical Mowbray and Sunderland should be applauded for having the balls to sack him rather than see the club drift along this season on a tide of Mowbray's bullsh1t.

Mowbray can console himself with a big compensation package and a huge slice of lemon drizzle cake!

Be amazed if JDT is not in their thinking but if they want to get up this season, Heckingbottom might be their man.

As for Dack, pretty certain he'll be out of that club before Jan. window closes.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Mercer

[tomphil]

19 minutes ago, Silas said:

Genuinely not looking to stick the boot into Dack, but his signing probably contributed to the sacking.

You bring someone in from your old club that you worked with for years, that you should have the inside scoop on.

And then it goes.....how it's gone. 

Not a good look.

And I'm genuinely gutted how Dack's career has nosedived after 2 bad injuries. He was so close to the top. 

Bad decision from Mowbray though. 

That's how he operates though he's very ex player orientated and he feels sorry for certain players using other peoples money.

Many examples in his time here.

[roversfan99]

57 minutes ago, JHRover said:

A decision. Might be a good one, might be an indifferent one, might be a bad one, but at least they've an owner and board reacting to results and performances in pursuit of something rather than tumbleweed Ewood.

He was always very fortunate at Ewood to be blessed with healthy financial backing for much of his tenure with zero pressure to deliver on the pitch and the ability to run his contract down with nothing coming from upstairs. He was never going to get that elsewhere.

Looking at it objectively he inherited an upwardly mobile side put together and promoted from League One before his arrival. He rode the crest of the wave last season and got to the play-offs, this season they have been typical Mowbray-eque. A good run left them 4th recently and they've now won 2 in 9 to slip into mid-table. They'd just carry on with that over the rest of the season and end up 7th-10th at the end of it as we often were.

It will be interesting to see what he does next. Given his apparent weariness and feeling hard done to at the 90 minute drive down from Teesside to Brockhall and having lost the Sunderland job his Championship options are thin on the ground unless he's now happy to drive for hours on end to his next one. To be fair he'd be ideal for quite a few Championship clubs like Preston or Huddersfield, probably keep them up and implement a 'nice style'.

I think to get Sunderland into the play offs last season was a little more of an achievement than is implied. They went up through the play offs and a start of 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses prior to his arrival hardly was him riding the crest of a wave. It was an excellent achievement especially without his main striker.

Sunderland are in a position where they can afford a gamble as of course Mowbray has his limitations and even if the next appointment backfires, its not as if they will get sucked in to a scrap. Their recruitment has not been the best, all done above the managers head similar to here it seems. Total focus on signing projects and dismissing more practical needs for experience amongst it, lots of misfiring young strikers signed.

As you touch on, there will be clubs at this level that would benefit from appointing him. Safe pair of hands and a steady manager.

[bigbrandjohn]

Reading the responses from Sunderland fans they loved him. Owners didn’t  invest , so he brought the youngsters on. Still a few points off the play offs. Took them to the playoffs with nothing last year. 
This comment says it all. 

"As custodians of our great club, we believe in our long-term strategy that we hope will ensure sustainability and success for SAFC. 

"Central to that approach is a relentless demand for a high performance culture to be implemented throughout the club and the development of a strong playing identity that you, our loyal supporters, can all be proud of."

That from a 25 year old playing FIFA with Daddy’s money. Straight out of the consultants book of corporate bollocks  

Heckingbotty wont fare any better if he goes there.

 

[Upside Down]

13 minutes ago, bigbrandjohn said:

Reading the responses from Sunderland fans they loved him. Owners didn’t  invest , so he brought the youngsters on. Still a few points off the play offs. Took them to the playoffs with nothing last year. 
This comment says it all. 

"As custodians of our great club, we believe in our long-term strategy that we hope will ensure sustainability and success for SAFC. 

"Central to that approach is a relentless demand for a high performance culture to be implemented throughout the club and the development of a strong playing identity that you, our loyal supporters, can all be proud of."

That from a 25 year old playing FIFA with Daddy’s money. Straight out of the consultants book of corporate bollocks  

Heckingbotty wont fare any better if he goes there.

 

Would take that in a heartbeat rather than the shit we've got here.