That *was* the January Window

[alcd]

7 hours ago, Moptop1 said:

Again? Ffs. Happening all over again isn’t it? Someone is certain of sabotaging things to make relegation happen. 

This fucker needs to be found and kicked out out of the club.

It's likely to be Suhail.

[RevidgeBlue]

13 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Well the manager doesn't think he is.Didnt hear him mentioning Broughton's name when asked about the McGuire situation.

It's unbelievable that he survived the O Brien debacle. He should have been sacked then but wasn't and look where we are now as a result- twelve months on and something similar has happened again. In that respect the Club have got what they deserved for the lack of accountability.

He's DOF so this sort of stuff is his responsibility. People want it both ways, if Waggott does something awful everyone rightly wants to blame the owners  because it's their name over the door.

The opposite seems to apply with GB though  even though transfer business is firmly within his remit as DOF. Everyone scrambles to try to absolve him for responsibility for matters clearly within his remit.

His recruitment has been shite as well imo. (I know you disagree so let's not run through merits of individual players for the zillionth time.) Suffice to say I think we saw what JDT thought of it with only one of the six available signings starting the game on Saturday.

Not convinced he'll go this time anyway. He'll probably attempt to bull shit his way out of it and come up smelling of roses for a second time.

Say what you like but these O Brien and Mcguire type debacle have only started occurring since his arrival at the Club. 

[alcd]

4 hours ago, Darwen Rover 007 said:

The mother of all... f... ups... given what happened last year... 

Fans will vote with their feet in my opinion, I forecast another 20% drop in attendance next season 

More than that in L1.

[RoversClitheroe]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's unbelievable that he survived the O Brien debacle. He should have been sacked then but wasn't and look where we are now as a result- twelve months on and something similar has happened again. In that respect the Club have got what they deserved for the lack of accountability.

He's DOF so this sort of stuff is his responsibility. People want it both ways, if Waggott does something awful everyone rightly wants to blame the owners  because it's their name over the door.

The opposite seems to apply with GB though  even though transfer business is firmly within his remit as DOF. Everyone scrambles to try to absolve him for responsibility for matters clearly within his remit.

His recruitment has been shite as well imo. (I know you disagree so let's not run through merits of individual players for the zillionth time.) Suffice to say I think we saw what JDT thought of it with only one of the six available signings starting the game on Saturday.

Not convinced he'll go this time anyway. He'll probably attempt to bull shit his way out of it and come up smelling of roses for a second time.

Say what you like but these O Brien and Mcguire type debacle have only started occurring since his arrival at the Club. 

Usually rate your views. 

But your hatred of GB is baffling? 

Literally nothing to do with the owners? 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Literally nothing to do with the owners? 

Why do people keep repeating the same line? It's getting tiresome.

It's EVERYTHING to do with the owners because they keep employing chances like Waggott and Broughton then take no action when they constantly  fuck up.

Absolutely zero accountability.

[K-Hod]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Why do people keep repeating the same line? It's getting tiresome.

It's EVERYTHING to do with the owners because they keep employing chances like Waggott and Broughton then take no action when they constantly  fuck up.

Absolutely zero accountability.

Probably because you slag off GB and Waggott a lot more than you do the owners, would be my guess.

Aware that you acknowledge that they’re the main problem obviously.

[bluebruce]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

Why do people keep repeating the same line? It's getting tiresome.

It's EVERYTHING to do with the owners because they keep employing chances like Waggott and Broughton then take no action when they constantly  fuck up.

Absolutely zero accountability.

And you don't think the ridiculous working conditions and budget-fuckery from Pune might be impeding the work of such staff here and making them look like bigger chancers than they are?

[roversfan99]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

Why do people keep repeating the same line? It's getting tiresome.

It's EVERYTHING to do with the owners because they keep employing chances like Waggott and Broughton then take no action when they constantly  fuck up.

Absolutely zero accountability.

It seems that the only beef you genuinely have with the owners is that they repeatedly "employ chancers" and keep them in post, but focus onto them and their lack of accountability.

The O'Brien deal seemed more cut and dry, a terrible cock up. With McGuire, we had a permanent deal lined up and all of a sudden, we couldnt afford the comparatively tiny fee and had to renegotiate a loan last minute. Surely that screams of a sudden change of tact from the owners regarding willingness to invest.

[RevidgeBlue]

22 minutes ago, LDRover said:

I've little time for the egg but it's bloody obvious he's not to blame here.

He's not to blame if a decision has been made to switch from Permanent transfers to loans obviously.

But the mechanics of getting the loan deal over the line are clearly his responsibility. Unless someone within the Club (2 obvious candidates) are deliberately sabotaging the deals.

In which case he won't resign. No-one in their right minds resigns over something that isn't their fault.

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's unbelievable that he survived the O Brien debacle. He should have been sacked then but wasn't and look where we are now as a result- twelve months on and something similar has happened again. In that respect the Club have got what they deserved for the lack of accountability.

He's DOF so this sort of stuff is his responsibility. People want it both ways, if Waggott does something awful everyone rightly wants to blame the owners  because it's their name over the door.

The opposite seems to apply with GB though  even though transfer business is firmly within his remit as DOF. Everyone scrambles to try to absolve him for responsibility for matters clearly within his remit.

His recruitment has been shite as well imo. (I know you disagree so let's not run through merits of individual players for the zillionth time.) Suffice to say I think we saw what JDT thought of it with only one of the six available signings starting the game on Saturday.

Not convinced he'll go this time anyway. He'll probably attempt to bull shit his way out of it and come up smelling of roses for a second time.

Say what you like but these O Brien and Mcguire type debacle have only started occurring since his arrival at the Club. 

 

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Why do people keep repeating the same line? It's getting tiresome.

It's EVERYTHING to do with the owners because they keep employing chances like Waggott and Broughton then take no action when they constantly  fuck up.

Absolutely zero accountability.

You have slagged GB off from minute 1 he joined the club. 

This is yet again paperwork error which isn't his job. That's is CEO and club secretary job to sort our all paperwork regarding transfer and contract negotiations 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

. With McGuire, we had a permanent deal lined up and all of a sudden, we couldnt afford the comparatively tiny fee and had to renegotiate a loan last minute. Surely that screams of a sudden change of tact from the owners regarding willingness to invest.

That much is obvious but what has it got to do with a failure to get the loan deal over the line?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, K-Hod said:

Probably because you slag off GB and Waggott a lot more than you do the owners, would be my guess.

In fairness, Waggott and Broughton are two of the biggest visible problems as part of the bigger problem that is the owners. It's just that we see their actions far more closely than we see anything from the owners. The owners simply don't seem to notice incompetence down at the club. If Suhail is supposed to be the eyes and ears of the owners, then I'm afraid he's both deaf and blind.

[RevidgeBlue]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

 

You have slagged GB off from minute 1 he joined the club. 

This is yet again paperwork error which isn't his job. That's is CEO and club secretary job to sort our all paperwork regarding transfer and contract negotiations 

And with good reason it seems.

As for the second paragraph behave yourself chaddy.

Waggott is now responsible for the Commercial side of the Club (and is failing miserably)

Broughton is Director of FOOTBALL and is responsible for footballing matters. (And is failing miserably)

He also specifically said that procedures had been put in place following the O Brien debacle to prevent this sort of thing happening again.

[SBlue]

12 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Unless someone within the Club (2 obvious candidates) are deliberately sabotaging the deals.

In which case he won't resign. No-one in their right minds resigns over something that isn't their fault.

If that were the case I’d 100% be resigning.

”Structural problems within the club have made my position untenable.”

I’d think less of him if he sticks around after this, however it actually went down.

[islander200]

26 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's unbelievable that he survived the O Brien debacle. He should have been sacked then but wasn't and look where we are now as a result- twelve months on and something similar has happened again. In that respect the Club have got what they deserved for the lack of accountability.

He's DOF so this sort of stuff is his responsibility. People want it both ways, if Waggott does something awful everyone rightly wants to blame the owners  because it's their name over the door.

The opposite seems to apply with GB though  even though transfer business is firmly within his remit as DOF. Everyone scrambles to try to absolve him for responsibility for matters clearly within his remit.

His recruitment has been shite as well imo. (I know you disagree so let's not run through merits of individual players for the zillionth time.) Suffice to say I think we saw what JDT thought of it with only one of the six available signings starting the game on Saturday.

Not convinced he'll go this time anyway. He'll probably attempt to bull shit his way out of it and come up smelling of roses for a second time.

Say what you like but these O Brien and Mcguire type debacle have only started occurring since his arrival at the Club. 

When asked about the McGuire deal why didn't JDT namedrop Broughton, if like you suggest it's Broughton's fault?

As for your last paragraph, ok we didn't quite have it like O'Brien and McGuire in previous windows but how many times did we have players in the building on deadline day only for the deals to never materialise.

I think your stance on Broughton is weird...fair enough you don't rate his recruitment I respect that but things like "on the owners gravy train" "he will be clinging on here forever" those statements are a load of nonsense to me.

Broughton was following his career path interviewing here ,he wasnt headhunted ,he actually wasn't even offered the job first someone else was.

Even on O'Brien as Dof he really shouldn't have to be standing over the person whose responsibility it was for the forms to be sent off on time and correctly.

He is not the problem here.

[islander200]

33 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's unbelievable that he survived the O Brien debacle. He should have been sacked then but wasn't and look where we are now as a result- twelve months on and something similar has happened again. In that respect the Club have got what they deserved for the lack of accountability.

He's DOF so this sort of stuff is his responsibility. People want it both ways, if Waggott does something awful everyone rightly wants to blame the owners  because it's their name over the door.

The opposite seems to apply with GB though  even though transfer business is firmly within his remit as DOF. Everyone scrambles to try to absolve him for responsibility for matters clearly within his remit.

His recruitment has been shite as well imo. (I know you disagree so let's not run through merits of individual players for the zillionth time.) Suffice to say I think we saw what JDT thought of it with only one of the six available signings starting the game on Saturday.

Not convinced he'll go this time anyway. He'll probably attempt to bull shit his way out of it and come up smelling of roses for a second time.

Say what you like but these O Brien and Mcguire type debacle have only started occurring since his arrival at the Club. 

When asked about the McGuire deal why didn't JDT namedrop Broughton, if like you suggest it's Broughton's fault?

As for your last paragraph, ok we didn't quite have it like O'Brien and McGuire in previous windows but how many times did we have players in the building on deadline day only for the deals to never materialise.

I think your stance on Broughton is weird...fair enough you don't rate his recruitment I respect that but things like "on the owners gravy train" "he will be clinging on here forever" those statements are a load of nonsense to me.

Broughton was following his career path interviewing here ,he wasnt headhunted ,he actually wasn't even offered the job first someone else was.

Even on O'Brien as Dof he really shouldn't have to be standing over the person whose responsibility it was for the forms to be sent off on time and correctly.

He is not the problem here.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, SBlue said:

If that were the case I’d 100% be resigning.

”Structural problems within the club have made my position untenable.”

I’d think less of him if he sticks around after this, however it actually went down.

What I meant was - accept responsibility for something thats not your fault and just walk out without a pay off. It affects your future marketability.

If you've done nothing wrong , resign and take them to Court at a later date and/or negotiate a severance package by mutual consent.

[islander200]

23 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

He's not to blame if a decision has been made to switch from Permanent transfers to loans obviously.

But the mechanics of getting the loan deal over the line are clearly his responsibility. Unless someone within the Club (2 obvious candidates) are deliberately sabotaging the deals.

In which case he won't resign. No-one in their right minds resigns over something that isn't their fault.

People do resign when their position keeps on getting undermined

We were making permanent bids for players on the Wednesday obviously the circumstances Broughton was working under changed on deadline day and it wouldn't surprise me at all when the cost of the loan deal for McGuire was revealed there was more interference 

[Tom]

The thing is we all know there’s an issue with McGuire, anyone following football online would, but the club haven’t actually said anything about it.

he had an announcement video and article with the caveat it was subject to clearance but nothing at all since

They really do treat fans with contempt it seems 

[Hasta]

10 minutes ago, islander200 said:

When asked about the McGuire deal why didn't JDT namedrop Broughton, if like you suggest it's Broughton's fault?

Because he already knew Broughton was leaving? (If GB does infact go)

Edited February 4 by Hasta

[phili]

35 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's unbelievable that he survived the O Brien debacle. He should have been sacked then but wasn't and look where we are now as a result- twelve months on and something similar has happened again. In that respect the Club have got what they deserved for the lack of accountability.

He's DOF so this sort of stuff is his responsibility. People want it both ways, if Waggott does something awful everyone rightly wants to blame the owners  because it's their name over the door.

The opposite seems to apply with GB though  even though transfer business is firmly within his remit as DOF. Everyone scrambles to try to absolve him for responsibility for matters clearly within his remit.

His recruitment has been shite as well imo. (I know you disagree so let's not run through merits of individual players for the zillionth time.) Suffice to say I think we saw what JDT thought of it with only one of the six available signings starting the game on Saturday.

Not convinced he'll go this time anyway. He'll probably attempt to bull shit his way out of it and come up smelling of roses for a second time.

Say what you like but these O Brien and Mcguire type debacle have only started occurring since his arrival at the Club. 

Put it this way, we had to enter a payment agreement with HMRC in Feb which we reneged on. 

I think the likelihood is Venky's pulled the plug on the O'Brien deal and to save face we had to do the appeal and pullava instead of admitting we didn't have the money to complete the deal.

 

[simongarnerisgod]

is there no precedence for the efl to put us in special measures like they do with schools and hospitals🤒,we are an embarrasment to the football world

[islander200]

8 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Because he already knew Broughton was leaving? (If GB does infact go)

Or it's Broughton isn't responsible for it 

[Hasta]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

Or it's Broughton isn't responsible for it 

Yep.  Both could be correct. If GB goes tomorrow I suspect JDT knew hence why  he wasn’t mentioned.

If he doest’t go then I suspect JDT is showing us where the blame lies.

[BankEnd Rover]

3 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Yep.  Both could be correct. If GB goes tomorrow I suspect JDT knew hence why  he wasn’t mentioned.

If he doest’t go then I suspect JDT is showing us where the blame lies.

JDT has been saying his “ask Greg” tag line the whole time he’s been here

Him giving Maggot and Suhails names tell us all we need to know.

I will be really annoyed if it’s GB who has left.

Edited February 4 by BankEnd Rover