Sunderland sack Mowbray

[DE.]

14 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Mm, he didn’t manage to keep us in this league in his first season. Having said that he manage to keep us in it nicely after we came back up.

I've always thought it was a little churlish for people to blame him for that. Came in to an already weak team that Coyle had wrecked with 7 months of donuts and 5-a-side, yet still ended with a points total that in 95% of Championship seasons would have seen us safe. If Venky's had acted sooner, ideally before feckin' February (mid-way through), we'd probably have scraped survival with Tone. 

His career in the Championship is mostly defined by mid-to-upper-mid-table finishes, and that's about where he is. Would I go out and appoint him if I was Rotherham chairman? Possibly not, but it wouldn't be the worst call for a team like Swansea who need someone to come in and steady the ship without walking into a total disaster.

Edited December 5, 2023 by DE.

[Rogerb]

1 hour ago, DE. said:

but it wouldn't be the worst call for a team like Swansea who need someone to come in and steady the ship without walking into a total disaster.

He constantly moaned about how far from home he was when he was here think Swansea is unlikely unless it's the only offer on the table. He is sixty now so a couple more gigs and that'll do nicely 

[DE.]

12 minutes ago, Rogerb said:

He constantly moaned about how far from home he was when he was here think Swansea is unlikely unless it's the only offer on the table. He is sixty now so a couple more gigs and that'll do nicely 

I hadn't really factored in location and you're probably right, moving to Wales wouldn't be ideal for him at all. On the other hand, I think he genuinely loves football and being involved in it, so the offer of taking over a decent-sized Championship club may appeal to him. I guess we'll see. 

[bazza]

8 hours ago, Stonesrick said:

Sunderland are owned by a wealthy French businessman so expect a French manager I would think.

Les Chats Noir 😜

[booth]

Tony Mowbray, always a great manager when he's not in a job, according to people without a clue. Some of the comments on social media are embarassing.

Always over complicating the game and downplaying expectations whilst spending our last millions. At best, a mediocre manager.

[simongarnerisgod]

apparently lowe at pne is under pressure after spending a lot of craig hemmings money in the summer,they had a great start but are now treading water,id`e have to change my boxers if they dumped lowe and brought mowbray in🤣

[rigger]

1 minute ago, simongarnerisgod said:

apparently lowe at pne is under pressure after spending a lot of craig hemmings money in the summer,they had a great start but are now treading water,id`e have to change my boxers if they dumped lowe and brought mowbray in🤣

Please let it happen. Then Mowbray persuades the nobbers to take on Waggot.

Edited December 5, 2023 by rigger

[bazza]

12 minutes ago, rigger said:

Please let it happen. Then Mowbray persuades the nobbers to take on Waggot.

I wish I could "like" this more than once.

[roversfan99]

I always think that the narrative of him complaining about location were taken out of context a bit. He regularly rambled on about his life story in general, but he was clearly happy hence why he would have probably stayed longer if possible. Obviously family means a lot to him and he has had tragedy in his personal life but he also seems genuinely obsessed about football.

[roversfan99]

20 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

apparently lowe at pne is under pressure after spending a lot of craig hemmings money in the summer,they had a great start but are now treading water,id`e have to change my boxers if they dumped lowe and brought mowbray in🤣

Would it be that funny? Not convinced it would be a downgrade, surely you would want a terrible manager in if you wanted to see them suffer.

27 minutes ago, booth said:

Tony Mowbray, always a great manager when he's not in a job, according to people without a clue. Some of the comments on social media are embarassing.

Always over complicating the game and downplaying expectations whilst spending our last millions. At best, a mediocre manager.

Spending our last millions? He spent up to £15m but its not as if he blew it, Armstrong brought in a big sum back, and its not his fault that it wasnt invested, then the owners turned down money for Brereton that would have led to an overall profit after a considerable goal tally from the 3 combined. And then to add insult to injury, the owners then continued to slash the budget after that. The "spending our last millions" bit is on the owners.

Not sure ive seen mentions of him being a great manager. The common opinion seems to be steady and solid at this level. Thankfully we upgraded but not some sort of laughing stock either.

[Andy]

Zero chance of JDT leaving Rovers for Sunderland 🤣

His next job will be in a top division, England or elsewhere.

[booth]

21 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Would it be that funny? Not convinced it would be a downgrade, surely you would want a terrible manager in if you wanted to see them suffer.

Spending our last millions? He spent up to £15m but its not as if he blew it, Armstrong brought in a big sum back, and its not his fault that it wasnt invested, then the owners turned down money for Brereton that would have led to an overall profit after a considerable goal tally from the 3 combined. And then to add insult to injury, the owners then continued to slash the budget after that. The "spending our last millions" bit is on the owners.

Not sure ive seen mentions of him being a great manager. The common opinion seems to be steady and solid at this level. Thankfully we upgraded but not some sort of laughing stock either.

He spent the last big money we had, is that not a fact? And then he downplayed expectations saying we were on a journey. Plenty of us at the time pointed out the folly of this.

People are saying he's a great manager on social media. Of couse "great" isn't the only word being used. "Best", "excellent, "top", "fantastic". All words I wouldn't associate with TM.

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, booth said:

He spent the last big money we had, is that not a fact? And then he downplayed expectations saying we were on a journey. Plenty of us at the time pointed out the folly of this.

People are saying he's a great manager on social media. Of couse "great" isn't the only word being used. "Best", "excellent, "top", "fantastic". All words I wouldn't associate with TM.

Well I suppose, but that isnt in any way on him. Thats on the owners 100%.

The journey stuff is standard manager talk.

[wilsdenrover]

6 minutes ago, booth said:

He spent the last big money we had, is that not a fact? And then he downplayed expectations saying we were on a journey. Plenty of us at the time pointed out the folly of this.

People are saying he's a great manager on social media. Of couse "great" isn't the only word being used. "Best", "excellent, "top", "fantastic". All words I wouldn't associate with TM.

That’s an impressive set of opinions you’ve managed to find there.

[booth]

3 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

That’s an impressive set of opinions you’ve managed to find there.

Within 2 minutes. It wasn't difficult, just find any thread on his sacking and you'll find similar comments.

[booth]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Well I suppose, but that isnt in any way on him. Thats on the owners 100%.

The journey stuff is standard manager talk.

He could have signed some defenders and chose not to. Obviously the buck ends with the owners but that doesn't absolve him of any blame. I'm certainly not going to absolve Steve Kean of any blame because the owners enabled it.

Anyway, he's gone and thank goodness.

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, booth said:

He spent the last big money we had, is that not a fact? And then he downplayed expectations saying we were on a journey. Plenty of us at the time pointed out the folly of this.

People are saying he's a great manager on social media. Of couse "great" isn't the only word being used. "Best", "excellent, "top", "fantastic". All words I wouldn't associate with TM.

Non of them seem to be mentioning 1 win in 5 and losing 5 of the last 8 mostly with a squad that finished 6th last season. Despite losing their best striker they have a lot of talented young fwds that suddenly aren't firing and TM as soon as he went there announced his longer term plan was wide fwds.

Also his big signing has predictably struggled and was always the kind of gamble someone like he would make.

[booth]

1 minute ago, tomphil said:

Non of them seem to be mentioning 1 win in 5 and losing 5 of the last 8 mostly with a squad that finished 6th last season. Despite losing their best striker they have a lot of talented young fwds that suddenly aren't firing and TM as soon as he went there announced his longer term plan was wide fwds.

Also his big signing has predictably struggled and was always the kind of gamble someone like he would make.

I can't think of any other lacklustre football managers that get the same amount of well wishers.

Just one silly cult.

[wilsdenrover]

17 minutes ago, booth said:

I can't think of any other lacklustre football managers that get the same amount of well wishers.

Just one silly cult.

Typo?

[Upside Down]

6 hours ago, booth said:

He spent the last big money we had, is that not a fact? And then he downplayed expectations saying we were on a journey. Plenty of us at the time pointed out the folly of this.

People are saying he's a great manager on social media. Of couse "great" isn't the only word being used. "Best", "excellent, "top", "fantastic". All words I wouldn't associate with TM.

Those comments are unreal. One of the best managers in this division? No he fucking isn't.

[Mattyblue]

Take the other club’s mentioned out of it and they are a collection of comments you’ll be hearing at Ewood on Saturday.

[davulsukur]

No surprise he's gone. Sunderland are ambitious and were clearly expecting to be hitting the playoffs as a minimum. 

I'd be concerned that they might move for JDT, might have the same issues with the idea of a young/development playing squad but if they make an approach, could see him wanting to speak to them. 

Give him a bit of money to play with in January and show some ambition and he'll be gone. He'll get paid more as well.

[MarkBRFC]

19 hours ago, DE. said:

I've always thought it was a little churlish for people to blame him for that. Came in to an already weak team that Coyle had wrecked with 7 months of donuts and 5-a-side, yet still ended with a points total that in 95% of Championship seasons would have seen us safe. If Venky's had acted sooner, ideally before feckin' February (mid-way through), we'd probably have scraped survival with Tone. 

His career in the Championship is mostly defined by mid-to-upper-mid-table finishes, and that's about where he is. Would I go out and appoint him if I was Rotherham chairman? Possibly not, but it wouldn't be the worst call for a team like Swansea who need someone to come in and steady the ship without walking into a total disaster.

I think he gets away with it quite lightly to be honest.

2 points adrift with 15 games to go when he was appointed, and got us out of the bottom 3 twice before allowing us to slip back in there and eventually go down.

All we had to do was beat the mighty Burton Albion in his first game and match there results thereafter.

Despite the high points total, he failed. He was bought in to keep us up, not to get us out of league one 18 months after appointed.

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by MarkBRFC

[bluebruce]

54 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I think he gets away with it quite lightly to be honest.

2 points adrift with 15 games to go when he was appointed, and got us out of the bottom 3 twice before allowing us to slip back in there and eventually go down.

All we had to do was beat the mighty Burton Albion in his first game and match there results thereafter.

Despite the high points total, he failed. He was bought in to keep us up, not to get us out of league one 18 months after appointed.

 

I think the truth lies somewhere between both your posts tbh. The points total was high, and for the most part he massively rejuvenated the form of a highly demoralised and failing team. He's not really responsible for the form of other sides.

That said, he was alarmingly defensive in games we should have been able to take by the throat, and that conservatism cost us some points, any one of which would have kept us up.

He made a decent fist of keeping us up in difficult circumstances, but also made some costly mistakes. For me, he is only about 10-20% responsible for our relegation. And he did get us straight back up to repair the damage. It's more what followed after that first season back up that bothers me.

[DE.]

34 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

I think the truth lies somewhere between both your posts tbh. The points total was high, and for the most part he massively rejuvenated the form of a highly demoralised and failing team. He's not really responsible for the form of other sides.

That said, he was alarmingly defensive in games we should have been able to take by the throat, and that conservatism cost us some points, any one of which would have kept us up.

He made a decent fist of keeping us up in difficult circumstances, but also made some costly mistakes. For me, he is only about 10-20% responsible for our relegation. And he did get us straight back up to repair the damage. It's more what followed after that first season back up that bothers me.

Also why I said if I was Rotherham chairman I wouldn't necessarily look to appoint him. Does he have it in him to significantly boost a team out of trouble? Not sure. Don't think there's much evidence to support it. Plenty of evidence, however, to suggest over a full season he's unlikely to get a team relegated (or promoted). Did well getting Sunderland to 6th last season, but had a big helping from Rovers and our usual late-season collapse.