England - Lee Carsley Takes The Reins

[speeeeeeedie]

19 minutes ago, Blow-in said:

Here's the thing, if Southgate wins the tournement, will Man City and Real Madrid be going head to head to secure his contract?

I thought not, more likely he will end up with Palace or Burnley or Middlesbourgh. Why is that?

Name a manager at this tournament who Real and City would like? I don't think that there is one. Perhaps Deschamps, who would be a gamble.

Martinez - no chance. Yakin - the Swiss hate him. I can't name the Spain manager. Nagelsman seems to be going backwards. Koeman - he's not good enough. Steve Clarke - need I say more? 

International football management requires different skills than club management. 

Southgate is no Guardiola, but he is more than competent at international level. 

 

[Blow-in]

2 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Name a manager at this tournament who Real and City would like? I don't think that there is one. Perhaps Deschamps, who would be a gamble.

Martinez - no chance. Yakin - the Swiss hate him. I can't name the Spain manager. Nagelsman seems to be going backwards. Koeman - he's not good enough. Steve Clarke - need I say more? 

International football management requires different skills than club management. 

Southgate is no Guardiola, but he is more than competent at international level. 

 

Ok, what premier league clubs will be queueing up for him? My guess is the only ones looking at him will be intending to fight relegation next season or hoping for probmotion to the Premier league next season.

[DeeCee]

My problem is, if that we win it, he will be Sir Gareth Southgate.

[Eddie]

12 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Perhaps Deschamps, who would be a gamble.

Doubt it, he has much the same image as Southgate - although he's missing all of the benefit of the culture change.

France are just as negative and he's not much love in France, but he is respected for the success that he has brought. He may get a gig somewhere in Ligue 1, but he wouldn't be hired anywhere else.

[simongarnerisgod]

16 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Name a manager at this tournament who Real and City would like? I don't think that there is one. Perhaps Deschamps, who would be a gamble.

Martinez - no chance. Yakin - the Swiss hate him. I can't name the Spain manager. Nagelsman seems to be going backwards. Koeman - he's not good enough. Steve Clarke - need I say more? 

International football management requires different skills than club management. 

Southgate is no Guardiola, but he is more than competent at international level. 

 

when the wet lettuce leaves,i could see the fa approaching pep for the england job,he`s   has achieved  all he can at city,only other job i can see him taking is the spanish national side,he`s won everything at club level and when he feels like a change he`s not one to hang around

[M_B]

1 hour ago, Blow-in said:

Ok, what premier league clubs will be queueing up for him? My guess is the only ones looking at him will be intending to fight relegation next season or hoping for probmotion to the Premier league next season.

You're probably right, but after 3 semi finals out of 4,I'm sure there'll be a bit of interest from other national teams. 

[Blow-in]

3 minutes ago, M_B said:

You're probably right, but after 3 semi finals out of 4,I'm sure there'll be a bit of interest from other national teams. 

I am sure there won't be, my guess is mid table premier league and no beter. He lucked into the job he is in and will never do any better than that. 

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, DE. said:

Why does expecting more than one shot on target a game equate to wanting England to be 1970s Brazil? A bizarre extreme to take it to when most people I imagine would be happy with the game just being somewhat entertaining to watch, rather than a dreadful slog. 

I just want the players to show they’re as good as the media makes them out to be.

Do that any no one can get in our way.

[M_B]

15 minutes ago, Blow-in said:

I am sure there won't be, my guess is mid table premier league and no beter. He lucked into the job he is in and will never do any better than that. 

Whether he lucked into it or not, he's leaving an almighty task for the next bloke to even get close.

[roverandout]

1 hour ago, simongarnerisgod said:

when the wet lettuce leaves,i could see the fa approaching pep for the england job,he`s   has achieved  all he can at city,only other job i can see him taking is the spanish national side,he`s won everything at club level and when he feels like a change he`s not one to hang around

He's a catalonian.  I doubt he has much love for spain

[speeeeeeedie]

4 hours ago, Eddie said:

Doubt it, he has much the same image as Southgate - although he's missing all of the benefit of the culture change.

France are just as negative and he's not much love in France, but he is respected for the success that he has brought. He may get a gig somewhere in Ligue 1, but he wouldn't be hired anywhere else.

Thanks for the insight. I know precious little about the internal working of French football.

He had a half decent club career before getting the France job and he's won a World Cup as a player and manager so with club chairmen liking shiny things I'd think someone would give him a look.  

[speeeeeeedie]

4 hours ago, Blow-in said:

Ok, what premier league clubs will be queueing up for him? My guess is the only ones looking at him will be intending to fight relegation next season or hoping for probmotion to the Premier league next season.

I have no idea, but if Frank Lampard can get a job managing a Champions League qualifying team then so can Southgate. 

His stint in club management wasn't good, but he has done more for the national team than any other manager outside of Alf Ramsey, especially including his work prior to lucking into the job. 

I don't get the hate for him. England have been nearly men my whole life and I'm close to 50. The FA has tried every type of manager and still England have failed. Maybe the manager is only one part of it? The rabid press and the FA themselves are the only constants that have followed the national team. Both need to be held to account too. 

[speeeeeeedie]

4 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

when the wet lettuce leaves,i could see the fa approaching pep for the england job,he`s   has achieved  all he can at city,only other job i can see him taking is the spanish national side,he`s won everything at club level and when he feels like a change he`s not one to hang around

There are plenty of stories over here (generated mostly from rumours I may add) of the US trying to get Guardiola 

They just exited Copa America at the group stage despite having their most talented side in years. Current coach Gregg Berhalter has a lot of Southgate in him. 

The USA host the World Cup in 2 years, they want to make sure that they are well accounted for so money won't be an object.

[RevidgeBlue]

11 hours ago, M_B said:

Whether he lucked into it or not, he's leaving an almighty task for the next bloke to even get close.

Why is that?

We are ranked 5 in the World so reaching the semi finals of tournaments ought to be more or less par for the Course.

 

[ABBEY]

150 cash out on spain , na will keep it oing for 550

[RevidgeBlue]

12 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

when the wet lettuce leaves,i could see the fa approaching pep for the england job,he`s   has achieved  all he can at city,only other job i can see him taking is the spanish national side,he`s won everything at club level and when he feels like a change he`s not one to hang around

That would be the dream but we never seem to get the best man for the job - the prime example being Brian Clough being shamefully overlooked by the FA in favour of the safe option "Uncle" Ron Greenwood.

Far more likely to be another uninspiring appointment from within the system like Lee Carsley or heaven forbid a serial failure like Lampard on the sole basis they're English.

Hypothetically Klopp would be a good choice as well to inject some tempo and passion into the side instead of this painfully slow sideways and backwards passing game we appear to have fallen into.

[Forever Blue]

35 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Why is that?

We are ranked 5 in the World so reaching the semi finals of tournaments ought to be more or less par for the Course.

 

Excellent. Looking forward to lots more semis of major tournaments under the new manager. 

[roverandout]

8 hours ago, speeeeeeedie said:

There are plenty of stories over here (generated mostly from rumours I may add) of the US trying to get Guardiola 

They just exited Copa America at the group stage despite having their most talented side in years. Current coach Gregg Berhalter has a lot of Southgate in him. 

The USA host the World Cup in 2 years, they want to make sure that they are well accounted for so money won't be an object.

More chance of getting Guadeloupe 

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Excellent. Looking forward to lots more semis of major tournaments under the new manager. 

And maybe even winning one or two tournaments instead of consistently failing to get it over the line eh?

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

And maybe even winning one or two tournaments instead of consistently failing to get it over the line eh?

We have a lot to look forward to under the new manager. What could possibly go wrong for a nation that has won 1 trophy in 100 years?

[Forever Blue]

England major tournament history:

In the 88 years pre-Gareth: 4 semis, 1 Final.

Gareth: 3 semis, 1 final (maybe 2)

Southgate out!!!🤣

Edited July 8 by Forever Blue

[M_B]

50 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Why is that?

We are ranked 5 in the World so reaching the semi finals of tournaments ought to be more or less par for the Course.

 

I agree, but we've got so used to reaching them under Southgate, it's like it's the norm,when prior to Southgate it very much wasn't. 

This isn't how it usually is watching England, it's semis or nothing from now on for the next incumbent. 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

England major tournament history:

In the 88 years pre-Gareth: 4 semis, 1 Final.

Gareth: 3 semis, 1 final (maybe 2)

Southgate out!!!🤣

It's a fair point to make I suppose but it really needs to be looked at in the context of the quality of players available to him.

Does it really matter IF we don't win any of them? It strikes me a bit of City/ Liverpool/Arsenal celebrating  wildly because they've lost an FA Cup Semi Final or Final.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

It’s the quality of the football on display that gets me. We’re really poor to watch. With the players we’ve got we must be able to play better than that.

[Forever Blue]

15 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's a fair point to make I suppose but it really needs to be looked at in the context of the quality of players available to him.

Does it really matter IF we don't win any of them? It strikes me a bit of City/ Liverpool/Arsenal celebrating  wildly because they've lost an FA Cup Semi Final or Final.

You think the players available now are better than 20 years ago?